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Not a rant Jeanne, but true concern over real people with real jobs and real families, people that I know who are suffering now, and from my perspective more because of morons who think they know how to run a country but only manage to hurt the people that they are supposed to be serving...
There are a lot of good CEO's out there that try hard to run good businesses, many more of them than the fools that are in the congress...



ditto. This guy Obama needs to think before he so eloquently speaks. He slams the corporate jet industry, he slams Las Vegas. Doesn't he remember that he carried Nevada? Moron.
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I would like to add VIDEO Conferencing... very easy to do.. and you get that kinda face to face thing going.. and gee.. all the time that would have been wasted travelling... VOILA.. productivity...



Then why aren't you demanding that the Goreacle® use it?



Do you have proof that he doesn't????


No.. didn't think so...but never let facts get in the way of a good Gore Bash...right ???



Do you have proof that he does?

No, didn't think so...but we all know that you never let facts get in the way of a good bash.



Since you asked the question implying that he doesn't, the burden is on you to provide supporting facts, not on Amazon.

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I would like to add VIDEO Conferencing... very easy to do.. and you get that kinda face to face thing going.. and gee.. all the time that would have been wasted travelling... VOILA.. productivity...



Then why aren't you demanding that the Goreacle® use it?



Do you have proof that he doesn't????


No.. didn't think so...but never let facts get in the way of a good Gore Bash...right ???



Do you have proof that he does?

No, didn't think so...but we all know that you never let facts get in the way of a good bash.



Since you asked the question implying that he doesn't, the burden is on you to provide supporting facts, not on Amazon.



Um - no.

SHE implied that the execs were wasteful (for doing the same thing that Gore does) and that they needed to teleconference instead of flying (with no proof that they do not).
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I would like to add VIDEO Conferencing... very easy to do.. and you get that kinda face to face thing going.. and gee.. all the time that would have been wasted travelling... VOILA.. productivity...



Then why aren't you demanding that the Goreacle® use it?


Do you have proof that he doesn't????


No.. didn't think so...but never let facts get in the way of a good Gore Bash...right ???


Do you have proof that he does?

No, didn't think so...but we all know that you never let facts get in the way of a good bash.


Its far easier to find references when your cranium is used for other purposes than the current one Mikee.:ph34r::ph34r:


http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9069758

March 19, 2008 (Computerworld) Global climate change was the topic of discussion via a live videoconference today between Nobel laureate Al Gore and Cisco Systems Inc. CEO John Chambers, both speaking from separate cities to an audience in Orlando.

Cisco's TelePresence system, the collaboration technology used in the hour-long session, became the focus of the discussion on ways to reduce pollution by lowering the need for workers to travel.

The high-quality videoconferencing network connected Chambers in San Jose and Gore in Nashville with Cisco Chief Marketing Officer Susan Bostrom onstage in Orlando in front of 2,500 attendees of VoiceCon 2008 and with a crowd in an office in a London suburb.


http://www.telcoa.org/

On the web site addressing global warming and
the current climate crisis, and the movie
"An Inconvenient Truth", former Vice President
Al Gore references THE TELEWORK COALITION
as "the" source for information on telecommuting.



You were saying Mikee


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Its far easier to find references when your cranium is used for other purposes than the current one Mikee.:ph34r::ph34r:



No, not "sly sly" - maybe "snide snide" but we're used to that from you.

live videoconference today between Nobel laureate Al Gore and Cisco Systems Inc. CEO John Chambers

Yay for the Goreacle® - ONE whole teleconference, wow!!!

Now prove those CEO's DON'T use teleconferencing.
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Its far easier to find references when your cranium is used for other purposes than the current one Mikee.:ph34r::ph34r:



No, not "sly sly" - maybe "snide snide" but we're used to that from you.

live videoconference today between Nobel laureate Al Gore and Cisco Systems Inc. CEO John Chambers


Yay for the Goreacle® - ONE whole teleconference, wow!!!

Now prove those CEO's DON'T use teleconferencing.

Could you please go back and get on point....re....videoconferenceing.??

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I would like to add VIDEO Conferencing... very easy to do.. and you get that kinda face to face thing going.. and gee.. all the time that would have been wasted travelling... VOILA.. productivity...



Then why aren't you demanding that the Goreacle® use it?



Do you have proof that he doesn't????


No.. didn't think so...but never let facts get in the way of a good Gore Bash...right ???



Do you have proof that he does?

No, didn't think so...but we all know that you never let facts get in the way of a good bash.



Since you asked the question implying that he doesn't, the burden is on you to provide supporting facts, not on Amazon.



Um - no.

SHE implied that the execs were wasteful (for doing the same thing that Gore does) and that they needed to teleconference instead of flying (with no proof that they do not).



Ummm - nice try at being a weasel, but YOU brought up Gore and his supposed failure to teleconference. So the burden IS on you to prove your assertion, not on Amazon to disprove it.

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I work for Textron and Cessna makes up a big part of our revenue stream. I'm glad as hell that their fighting back. And yes orders were pushed out "after" the congressional attack. One of the few industries that still is mostly "made in America" and for publicity the Dems trounced on "us" with their criticisms.
Most corporate aircraft are not used for extravagant excess but for efficient conduct of business. Do you think the aircraft that we use are for extravagant excess? I'll bet more people would think so than not, anyway just check the news wires to see what the impact has been on Cessna, Beechcraft, and other aircraft manufactures lately.



Ever heard the term.. teleconference????

That burns a whole lot less Jet A... If just HALF the people in this country could work from their homes who work in jobs where face to face interaction is not needed more than a couple times a week.. the countries energy problems would evaporate immediately..

Trouble is... the people flying around in their pretty little jets do not trust their employees enough to allow that. Management COULD keep track of their people with existing technology... but they will not.. because they are incapable of changing outdated ways of "doing business"

THAT would be efficient conduct of business


I don't think that is fully true. There is a place for teleconferencing I agree, but it certainly doesn't cover all business requirements. I also think that people have a rosy picture of a senior business executive that is not true. I worked directly for a multi-millionaire who had a private jet (although it was not new) and I can tell you that many times when we were called out to the factory to resolve a crisis Victor was there working at 3am etc. He was the hardest working person I have ever met and I certainly did not begrudge his jet enabling him to get him from one factory to another (after all he kept 6000 people in work). In a couple of instances we engineers were sent by jet to solve problems that were costing thousands of $ per hour in down time and the travel cost was insignificant - in one instance it was a 2500km round trip in the jet to simply fetch a spare part quickly.

In short I am sure there is "some" abuse but I doubt it is much - except for politicians at which point I think the reverse is true:D in that there might be "some" legitimate use for a politician to travel quickly.
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ABC News had this to say about Congressional travel on Air Force aircraft....plus congressional members flying first class to the UK for a three day trip for $14,000.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=6890812&page=1
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Ever heard the term.. teleconference????

That burns a whole lot less Jet A... If just HALF the people in this country could work from their homes who work in jobs where face to face interaction is not needed more than a couple times a week.. the countries energy problems would evaporate immediately..

Trouble is... the people flying around in their pretty little jets do not trust their employees enough to allow that. Management COULD keep track of their people with existing technology... but they will not.. because they are incapable of changing outdated ways of "doing business"

THAT would be efficient conduct of business



For once I have to agree with Amazon. Although, it is safe to assume that a portion of the business these CEO's CFO's handle needs to be addressed in person. The job I do could easily be done from home at least a few days out of the week. How nice would that be?! With tech. getting better and more secure I would venture to say this shift will become more visible in day to day operations.
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I spent 2 years at Cessna - they paid/are paying for a good part of my education. Cessna has a LOT going for it. People buy Cessna Jets because on many levels, they are the most affordable in terms of fuel efficiency and the Citation Service Centers are Everywhere!
I'm 100% in favor of High level execs taking them - it's economics really - why pay the top guys Millions to waste time in airport terminals? But now Obama put a cap at $500,000/yr for FAILING execs, a salary like that does not justify a 10 million dollar ride.

Do you guys know how much it costs to integrate an X-box into a corporate jet? Handcut waterford Crystal bourbon flask? Oak trim and a full marble snack table? I'm all for corporate jets, but I can say from experience that a good # of these orders contain extremely high dollar luxuries which could be looked at....
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TheNewsTribune.com

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Stimulus encourages private jet purchases

DONNA BORAK AND DAVID KOENIG; The Associated Press
WASHINGTON – Just a few months after lawmakers scolded auto executives for flying to Washington in private jets, Congress approved a tax break in the stimulus package to help businesses buy their own planes.
The incentive – first used to help plane makers recover from the 2001 terror attacks – sharply reduces the upfront tax bill for companies who buy assets such as business planes.

The aviation industry, which is cutting jobs as it suffers from declining shipments and canceled orders, hopes the tax break in the economic stimulus bill just signed by President Barack Obama will persuade more companies to buy planes and snap a slump in general aviation that began last year.

“This is exactly the type of financial incentive that should be included in a stimulus bill,” said Rep. Todd Tiahrt, R-Kan., in an interview. His state lost at least 6,900 jobs at Cessna and Hawker Beechcraft, both based in Wichita.

Roughly 11,000 jobs have been cut in the last three months by the 65 or so member companies of the General Aviation Manufacturers Association.

The industry needs a stronger economy, not a tax break, to recover, according to aviation consultant Richard Aboulafia of the Teal Group in Fairfax, Va.

“People and companies buy jets when they need new planes and feel good about the economy,” he said.

“If they don’t feel good about things, a tax break isn’t going to help.”

Officials from industry trade groups disagree, saying a tax break will spur purchases.


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o you guys know how much it costs to integrate an X-box into a corporate jet? Handcut waterford Crystal bourbon flask? Oak trim and a full marble snack table? I'm all for corporate jets, but I can say from experience that a good # of these orders contain extremely high dollar luxuries which could be looked at....



each of these luxuries are a revenue stream for companies (small and big) that hire real people

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Yep, and there's the rub. Our economy is driven by people buying far in excess of what they need. That drive both keeps our economy going and primes it for crashes such as the one we're seeing now.




Our economy should be driven by people buying what they need AND what they want. That's healthy.

Artifically supplementing people and businesses (via governmental wealth redistribution) to buy in excess of their normal purchasing "ability" primes the economy for the crash we are seeing now.

You submit that people should only buy what they need - and the idea that someone can choose for another what defines their needs - is just plain alien to me still. I consider another's purchases none of my business unless they are spending my money on it.

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