n23x 0 #51 February 17, 2009 So... QuoteAn enemy that vows to kill you at all costs must be exterminated. Anything less and the enemy will laugh at you... and then... QuoteNo need. ... We'll deal with it then. It is a priority, or it isn't a priority? Like I said, you sound like a man with strong convictions, buy a plane ticket, justice is on your side! .jim"Don't touch my fucking Easter eggs, I'll be back monday." ~JTFC Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuckakers 425 #52 February 17, 2009 Quote >Wow, you are thick. Cool! Out of intelligent arguments within 2 posts. Not quite a record, but close. Not out of intelligent arguments. Just making an observation.Chuck Akers D-10855 Houston, TX Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #53 February 17, 2009 Quote Not true. Israel does not vow to wipe its enemies from the face of the earth as its enemies do. That is the difference. Actions speak louder than vows. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #54 February 17, 2009 Quote those peacefull Jihaqdi's you are idolizing I don't know if I'll get banned for saying this, but on this particular topic you argue like a neo-con. But I already knew that so I'll take responsibility for lighting that fuse. Sorry, and have a nice day. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuckakers 425 #55 February 17, 2009 Quote So... Quote An enemy that vows to kill you at all costs must be exterminated. Anything less and the enemy will laugh at you... and then... Quote No need. ... We'll deal with it then. It is a priority, or it isn't a priority? Like I said, you sound like a man with strong convictions, buy a plane ticket, justice is on your side! .jim I didn't use the word priority, you did. I just said it has to happen. If your homie B.O. won't do it, we'll deal with it after the conservative shift in American politics in 2012. But thanks for your wisdom.Chuck Akers D-10855 Houston, TX Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #56 February 17, 2009 Quote>If I was sending off my only son to detonate himself on a bus.... I >MIGHT have an inkling that a wolrd of hurt was coming my way. Uh huh. And what if the reason your house was being bulldozed is that your neighbor sent his son off to kill Arabs in Iraq? >Until a certain group of people decides to live in peace and to allow >others to do so as well.. I say give them the best war that money can >buy. And until people like you on both sides choose peace over war, that's what we will have. What they're talking about is this 90 lb American girl who put herself in front of a pile rubble that a bulldozer with an extremely limited field of vision was pushing."I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #57 February 17, 2009 Quote What they're talking about is this 90 lb American girl who put herself in front of a pile rubble that a bulldozer with an extremely limited field of vision was pushing. Rachel Corrie's incident aside, the destruction of homes and orchards that Billvon was referring to is just another example of the on going policy of collective punishment. But to be clear in the context of the thread, Israel's war crimes do not justify Hamas' war crimes, and vice versa. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #58 February 17, 2009 Quotehomie Sort of injects a distracting element, wouldn't you say? Or is it the focus? Certainly more than a mere "descriptor". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n23x 0 #59 February 17, 2009 "It has to happen", but it's not a priority. Gotcha. You know, just whenever. That totally does not sound dumb. .jim "Don't touch my fucking Easter eggs, I'll be back monday." ~JTFC Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuckakers 425 #60 February 17, 2009 Quote "It has to happen", but it's not a priority. Gotcha. You know, just whenever. That totally does not sound dumb. .jim See me after class. I'll explain it.Chuck Akers D-10855 Houston, TX Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuckakers 425 #61 February 17, 2009 Quote Quote Got any cool videos of Jews sawing off some muslim heads??? Got any cool videos of Palestinians, or anyone else for that matter, running over people with Caterpillar bulldozers? Tag, you're it. An old friend sent this to me just for you. http://hotair.com/archives/2008/07/02/video-palestinian-bulldozer-attack-kills-2-in-jerusalem/ I believe you are now "it". Jew in a bulldozer, please.Chuck Akers D-10855 Houston, TX Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuckakers 425 #62 February 17, 2009 QuoteQuotehomie Sort of injects a distracting element, wouldn't you say? Or is it the focus? Certainly more than a mere "descriptor". It's not distracting to me, and you assume incorrectly that it is more than a descriptor. "Homie" is a term meaning friend, neighbor, or a person that runs in the same crowd, and I used it to imply that Obama is his homie, rather than mine. If you think it means more than that, you are showing your stripes. Or is it your opinion that only people of certain ethnic backgrounds that can use such terminology? Hmmmm. Wanna play "who's the bigot"?Chuck Akers D-10855 Houston, TX Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
falxori 0 #63 February 17, 2009 QuoteRight. Just like there are Jews in the US. Would be silly to claim that towns in Florida were not part of the US, though, just because they are 90% jewish, and therefore not american Seriously Bill? Really? you say Palestinians in Gaza are to Israel what Jewish americans are to the US? Israeli Arabs are Israeli citizens, Palestinians in Gaza are in every respect a foreign nation ruled by a government which declared war on Israel. huge difference... "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #64 February 17, 2009 QuotePalestinians in Gaza are in every respect a foreign nation ruled by a government which declared war on Israel. huge difference... The Gaza strip is blockaded by Israel, Therefore All humanitarian aid, and needs are Israelis responsibility per international law. I know Israel has no respect for such things as laws and shit but that is the standard when you are the one doing the blockading. Kind of make sense doesn’t it?I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #65 February 17, 2009 >Israeli Arabs are Israeli citizens, Palestinians in Gaza are in every respect >a foreign nation ruled by a government which declared war on Israel. Yep. The Hutus in Rwanda used that logic to justify the genocide against the Tutsis. There was a Tutsi rebel group, the RPF, that pulled off several attacks against the government. The Hutus, in turn, started setting up for the genocide. They started training militias. They started teaching children the Hutu Power Ideology in schools, including the dictum that "the Hutu should stop having mercy on the Tutsi." (Any of this sounding familiar yet?) So they cordoned off the Tutsi areas and set up roadblocks and checkpoints to contain the Tutsis. Then they went in with machetes - and justified it using words very similar to yours. After all, the Tutsis were basically a bunch of "foreigners" with their own government (the RPF) who "declared war on Rwanda." In the end over a million people were hacked to death. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
falxori 0 #66 February 17, 2009 QuoteThe Hutus in Rwanda used that logic to justify the genocide against the Tutsis I am very familiar with what is going in Rwanda. do you really think this is the same? do you really think there is a genocide in Gaza? Quotejustified it using words very similar to yours. and what words would that be? that the palestinians in Gaza are not Israeli citizens? I said that becuase you claimed "Israel kills it own" which has nothing to do with reality. I never said all Palestinians should die. I never said Israel should clear Gaza completely and kill every man, woman and child. Yes, Israel could turn Gaza into a flat land. but it deosn't. it doesn't target the civilians and you know it. you may claim that it is not doing enough to avoid hurting civilians but thats a whole different story than your suggested genocide. anyway, how did this thread turn from a video of Hamas brutally beating Fatah people to another bash israel thread? or was that Israel's fault too? "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #67 February 17, 2009 >do you really think this is the same? Nope, and I didn't claim it was the same. What IS the same, though, is the leadup. There are a lot of people here trying to demonize and marginalize a group of people in Israel, as happened to the runup to the genocide in Rwanda. Had that effort been stopped then, perhaps a million people would be alive now. History cannot be changed, but if we're lucky we can learn from it. >I said that becuase you claimed "Israel kills it own" which has nothing >to do with reality. Israelis ARE killing their own. Gunships are firing on Gaza and rockets are being launched into Sderot. Playing word games like "well, they might be in Israel but they certainly aren't like ME" just perpetuates that. >you may claim that it is not doing enough to avoid hurting civilians >but thats a whole different story than your suggested genocide. I'm not suggesting that it is happening. I would suggest that what's happening now bears an eerie resemblance to what happened in Rwanda BEFORE the genocide. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
falxori 0 #68 February 17, 2009 QuoteTherefore All humanitarian aid, and needs are Israelis responsibility per international law really? first of all, humanitatian aid is flowing in, maybe you should ask Hamas why most of it doesn't make it to the people... when two countries are in a state of war (and for all purposes, Gaza under Hamas is a sovereign entity) one does not have to supply anything to the other, unless occupying and controling the population (which israel is not). a blockade was put on Hamas to stop the flow of weapons and explosives to an enemy entity. very justifies and very legal. "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
falxori 0 #69 February 17, 2009 QuoteWhat IS the same, though, is the leadup ANY conflict has the theoretic potential to turn into a genocide, most don't and neither will this one (at least not from Israel's side.) QuoteIsraelis ARE killing their own no they aren't. I dont understand why you insist to include the palestinians in Israel. they themselves dont want to be Israelis. they want their own state, and so am I. the only group that might not be clear are the Israeli Arabs. they are Israeli citizens but their "nationality" (for lack of a better word) is Palestinian. a war between Israel and Hamas is not a civil war, it is a war. civilians getting hurt does not make it a genocide, not even in the leadup. "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blueskybug 0 #70 February 17, 2009 Bill You suggest that until people choose peace over war things won't change. How is this is achieved if one side will not choose peace? I don't mean to over simplify but you make it sound the same way. Amazon is 100% correct. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy_Copland 0 #71 February 17, 2009 Dont you find it funny that you are on the ground living in the country that everyone online seems to think they know so much about because they've read a book or two and kept up to date online?1338 People aint made of nothin' but water and shit. Until morale improves, the beatings will continue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #72 February 17, 2009 >I dont understand why you insist to include the palestinians in Israel. Same reason I include Tutsis in Rwandans, Jews in Americans and Kurds in Iraqis. Because that's where they live. You may not think that Arabs are "real" Israelis, but until you grant the Palestinians their own sovereign country, they are part of yours. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #73 February 17, 2009 >You suggest that until people choose peace over war things won't change. Yep. It's not really a suggestion. >How is this is achieved if one side will not choose peace? BOTH sides must choose peace before it happens. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
falxori 0 #74 February 17, 2009 QuoteSame reason I include Tutsis in Rwandans, Jews in Americans and Kurds in Iraqis. Because that's where they live. Again, valid points if you refer to Israeli arabs (~20% of the citizens). they are arabs in culture, muslim by religions, but still as Israelis as I am. QuoteYou may not think that Arabs are "real" Israelis, but until you grant the Palestinians their own sovereign country, they are part of yours. no, before 1967 they were Jordanians and Egyptians. after 1967, the west bank and Gaza were not annexed to Israel (East Jerusalem and the golan heights were and the population there became Israeli Citizens) and they remained "under occupation". The goal is to give them sovereignity. now the west bank has civilian (and partial militaty) autonomy. Gaza has no relations with Israel since Hamas took over. no one claims they are Israelis. no one but you, that is... "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuckakers 425 #75 February 17, 2009 QuoteBOTH sides must choose peace before it happens. 4,000+ rockets chunked indiscriminately at civilian Israeli targets in the past few years, many during cease-fires. Bill my man, you are very correct.Chuck Akers D-10855 Houston, TX Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
