Andy_Copland 0 #1 February 15, 2009 http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article5055404.ece?token=null&offset=0&page=1 Ole George W is right there with Nixon.1338 People aint made of nothin' but water and shit. Until morale improves, the beatings will continue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capt.Slog 0 #2 February 15, 2009 Quotehttp://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article5055404.ece?token=null&offset=0&page=1 Ole George W is right there with Nixon. "Dog bites man". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beachbum 0 #3 February 15, 2009 I'm sure to his dismay, George is probably doomed to stay on that list ... but I'd sure like to see if he moves higher (ok, I suppose lower IS possible also) on it with hindsight ... say, 50 - 80 years from now.As long as you are happy with yourself ... who cares what the rest of the world thinks? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #4 February 15, 2009 QuoteI'm sure to his dismay, George is probably doomed to stay on that list ... but I'd sure like to see if he moves higher (ok, I suppose lower IS possible also) on it with hindsight ... say, 50 - 80 years from now. I don't see how he could move lower... almost all the rest of them below him got shot in office.. having done nothing....George did a lot... you have to give him that.... he did slots of things...most of them the wrong things..for all the wrong reasons... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beachbum 0 #5 February 15, 2009 First, I guess I wasn't too clear there - sorry! I meant higher as in moving toward being the worst (tied for 5th worst right now), not as in his overall ranking by that group moving up, which would mean he improved in their view. That said, he could easily be seen as worse by a different group of people doing the rankings. Certainly the way he is preceived that many years down the road will be at least a little different from how we see him now. I'm sure the final outcome in Iraq can impact that some in either direction, as can Afghanistan.As long as you are happy with yourself ... who cares what the rest of the world thinks? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #6 February 15, 2009 QuoteFirst, I guess I wasn't too clear there - sorry! I meant higher as in moving toward being the worst (tied for 5th worst right now), not as in his overall ranking by that group moving up, which would mean he improved in their view. That said, he could easily be seen as worse by a different group of people doing the rankings. Certainly the way he is preceived that many years down the road will be at least a little different from how we see him now. I'm sure the final outcome in Iraq can impact that some in either direction, as can Afghanistan. I am still hopefull that we can broker a meaningful and just peace for the people of Afghanistan. I have every confidence that within the next two years the muslim factions of Iraq will rip the country apart into three new countries and Iraq as it has existed for the last 100 years will cease to exist. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybill 22 #7 February 16, 2009 Hi Ac, Lets see, you read it in "The Times!" 'Must be true! SCR-2034, SCS-680 III%, Deli-out Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maxmadmax 8 #8 February 16, 2009 I agree with George and Abe as numero uno and dos. But Harry S. has got to be third. Twas a man of honor and basically saved the world with his descisions. Don't go away mad....just go away! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgoose71 0 #9 February 16, 2009 You know that this list has got to be biased. To place that peanut farmer Jimmy Carter so high on the list is bull. The man continues to embarrass the U.S. to this day."There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,406 #10 February 16, 2009 Quote we asked a panel of experts from The Times to rank the previous Commanders-in-Chief in order of greatness. Quantitative analysis on a slow news day? Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #11 February 16, 2009 QuoteYou know that this list has got to be biased. To place that peanut farmer Jimmy Carter so high on the list is bull. The man continues to embarrass the U.S. to this day. Agreed. Barry keeps going on about this being the worst economy since the Great Depression. Perhaps he doesn't remember the late 70's and early 80's under Carter.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy_Copland 0 #12 February 16, 2009 I never assumed it to be true, just thought you colonials would enjoy reading and criticizing it 1338 People aint made of nothin' but water and shit. Until morale improves, the beatings will continue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
434 2 #13 February 16, 2009 He was and still is a very respected man outside the US! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,534 #14 February 16, 2009 Carter wasn't president in the early 80's. Inflation started under Ford (I remember our stunted Christmas tree one year at college with a WIP, for Whip Inflation Now, button on it), and continued into the Reagan administration. Carter didn't help it, but neither was he the cause of it. Carter wasn't a badass motherfucker Chuck Norris type of president. But he's exactly an honorable and honest man. If you don't like a non-politician for president, he's an example. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #15 February 16, 2009 QuoteBut he's exactly an honorable and honest man. "The road to Hell is paved with good intentions." Leaders of other countries played him for the well- intentioned, but naive, person that he is. "Is this a repainted, used taxi?" "No, sir, that's yellow primer." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,534 #16 February 16, 2009 QuoteLeaders of other countries played him for the well-intentioned, but naive, person that he is.Absolutely. His focus on human rights was good, but he really didn't internalize that not everyone is the same as he is. He really, really needed a badass Secretary of State that he'd be willing to listen to. But if people want an example of someone who wouldn't compromise his values, he's still a pretty good example of one. And why that's not always such a good thing in a President. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #17 February 16, 2009 QuoteCarter wasn't president in the early 80's. Inflation started under Ford (I remember our stunted Christmas tree one year at college with a WIP, for Whip Inflation Now, button on it), and continued into the Reagan administration. Carter didn't help it, but neither was he the cause of it. Carter wasn't a badass motherfucker Chuck Norris type of president. But he's exactly an honorable and honest man. If you don't like a non-politician for president, he's an example. Wendy W. 1981 qualifies as the early 80's I think.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbrown 26 #18 February 16, 2009 QuoteYou know that this list has got to be biased. To place that peanut farmer Jimmy Carter so high on the list is bull. The man continues to embarrass the U.S. to this day. 32/44 is "high" ? He's in the bottom 25% - where he belongs. He was an embarassment. And I'm a Democrat, who voted for Reagan in 1980. I think they got the Top 10, and especially the Top 5 right. Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #19 February 16, 2009 QuoteI'm sure to his dismay, George is probably doomed to stay on that list ... but I'd sure like to see if he moves higher (ok, I suppose lower IS possible also) on it with hindsight ... say, 50 - 80 years from now. Quote But Harry S. has got to be third. Twas a man of honor and basically saved the world with his descisions. I think these two statements go well together seeing as how Truman left office with a 22% approval rating (according to that article). He's now 7th on that list. Anyone read what Bush's final approval rating was? -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mirage62 0 #20 February 16, 2009 Of course it's Obama, he's the greatest!Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #21 February 16, 2009 I think it's nuts that they ranked Fillmore ahead of Garfield. What could they have been thinking?? Idiots. I do think that a couple/few decades from now, Nixon will be (rightfully) ranked much higher than he currently is. Yes, he had a dark, paranoid personality (basically, he was an asshole), which led to the Watergate scandal; and I think he unnecessarily prolonged US involvement in the Vietnam war. But he's been one of our brightest presidents (he excelled academically); he was a capable manager, did a pretty fair job on a tough economy, had an excellent grasp on foreign policy and, partnered with Henry Kissinger, gave the US some of its best foreign policy successes in history. As far as I'm concerned, most of the books he wrote post-presidency are must-reads by any serious scholar of American government and international relations. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crwtom 0 #22 February 17, 2009 Here the new C-SPAN Ranking GWB ranked second worst in international relations and third worst in economy. WJC moved up to #15 Cheers, T ******************************************************************* Fear causes hesitation, and hesitation will cause your worst fears to come true Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jayruss 0 #23 February 19, 2009 Quotehttp://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article5055404.ece?token=null&offset=0&page=1 Ole George W is right there with Nixon. At least Nixon had the respect to resign __________________________________________________ "Beware how you take away hope from another human being." -Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #24 February 20, 2009 Nixon was impeached for the least of his crimes, but was an extremely adept president in many areas. Reagan is low. EJC is a bit higher than he should be. Interesting to see this and their reasoning. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #25 February 20, 2009 QuoteQuotehttp://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article5055404.ece?token=null&offset=0&page=1 Ole George W is right there with Nixon. At least Nixon had the respect to resign Having lived through and studied the history of Nixon's resignation, I can tell you that respect had nothing to do with his resignation. He resigned because he knew he was about to be impeached, and he knew he'd probably be convicted - or that the ordeal might prove fatally stressful. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
