JohnRich 4 #1 March 10, 2009 News:Professor Takes Heat for Calling Cops on Student Who Discussed Guns in Class A professor in Connecticut reported one of her students to the police after he gave a class presentation on why students and teachers should be allowed to carry concealed weapons on campus. Now, free speech activists say the professor’s actions are what really need to be investigated. Last October, John Wahlberg and two classmates at Central Connecticut State University gave an oral presentation for a communications class taught by Professor Paula Anderson. The assignment was to discuss a “relevant issue in the media,” and the students presented their view that the death toll in the April 2007 Virginia Tech shooting massacre would have been lower if professors and students had been carrying guns. That night, police called Wahlberg, a 23-year-old senior, and asked him to come to the station. When he arrived, they they read off a list of firearms that were registered in his name and asked where he kept them... Source: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,504524,00.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #2 March 10, 2009 QuoteNews:Professor Takes Heat for Calling Cops on Student Who Discussed Guns in Class A professor in Connecticut reported one of her students to the police after he gave a class presentation on why students and teachers should be allowed to carry concealed weapons on campus. Now, free speech activists say the professor’s actions are what really need to be investigated. Last October, John Wahlberg and two classmates at Central Connecticut State University gave an oral presentation for a communications class taught by Professor Paula Anderson. The assignment was to discuss a “relevant issue in the media,” and the students presented their view that the death toll in the April 2007 Virginia Tech shooting massacre would have been lower if professors and students had been carrying guns. That night, police called Wahlberg, a 23-year-old senior, and asked him to come to the station. When he arrived, they they read off a list of firearms that were registered in his name and asked where he kept them... Source: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,504524,00.html John.. when you were in the military.. where did you keep your personal weapons??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #3 March 10, 2009 Thought policing. I credit the kid, though. If I were ever to be prosecuted because of my beliefs I would be disappointed if there was insufficient evidence to convict. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #4 March 10, 2009 Comradina!!! My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #5 March 10, 2009 QuoteComradina!!! Did YOU keep any personalweapons on base when you were active duty???? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #6 March 10, 2009 QuoteQuoteComradina!!! Did YOU keep any personalweapons on base when you were active duty???? This is a college student that lives off-campus, not a troop quartered on base. Did you have a point to this, or did you not read the article?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #7 March 10, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteComradina!!! Did YOU keep any personalweapons on base when you were active duty???? This is a college student that lives off-campus, not a troop quartered on base. Did you have a point to this, or did you not read the article? Did YOU keep any personal weapons on base when you were active duty???? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #8 March 10, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteComradina!!! Did YOU keep any personalweapons on base when you were active duty???? This is a college student that lives off-campus, not a troop quartered on base. Did you have a point to this, or did you not read the article? Did YOU keep any personal weapons on base when you were active duty???? Whether I stored weapons on base or not is immaterial to the discussion. I say again - did you have a point to your question?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #9 March 10, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteComradina!!! Did YOU keep any personalweapons on base when you were active duty???? This is a college student that lives off-campus, not a troop quartered on base. Did you have a point to this, or did you not read the article? Did YOU keep any personal weapons on base when you were active duty???? Whether I stored weapons on base or not is immaterial to the discussion. I say again - did you have a point to your question? I think the question is quite germane. I wonder if any of you former military men will actually answer it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #10 March 10, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteComradina!!! Did YOU keep any personalweapons on base when you were active duty???? This is a college student that lives off-campus, not a troop quartered on base. Did you have a point to this, or did you not read the article? Did YOU keep any personal weapons on base when you were active duty???? Whether I stored weapons on base or not is immaterial to the discussion. I say again - did you have a point to your question? I think the question is quite germane. I wonder if any of you former military men will actually answer it? If you want an answer, you're going to have to explain how you think it is germane to the article posted.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #11 March 10, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Comradina!!! Did YOU keep any personalweapons on base when you were active duty???? This is a college student that lives off-campus, not a troop quartered on base. Did you have a point to this, or did you not read the article? Did YOU keep any personal weapons on base when you were active duty???? Whether I stored weapons on base or not is immaterial to the discussion. I say again - did you have a point to your question? I think the question is quite germane. I wonder if any of you former military men will actually answer it? If you want an answer, you're going to have to explain how you think it is germane to the article posted. Ahhh got it.. too fucking chicken to answer a question I have asked. Typical spin spin spin and doubletalkDid YOU keep any personalweapons on base when you were active duty????[/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krip 2 #12 March 10, 2009 I was in the military and didn't keep a gun in the barracks However we knew at least two guy's who did. One guy (a ranger) even had a accidental discharge in the barracks. They Dr's were able to save his hand and fingers.As far as the incident reported by JR considering the Choe incident & based on the linked news report the prof wasn't out of line and police made a minimal effort to interview the student to check that he wasn't a threat. Hopefully the student didn't lie to the cops and his medical history is clean. How many students did Choe murder 15-30? There were warning signs that were "missed" by how many people. If the campus police had checked choes records could the incident have been prevented? To bad for the students that were killed, and their grieving friends and families. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #13 March 10, 2009 lol where's the spin or double talk in his request that you qualify your question as it pertains to the subject of the thread? While I was in we were required to keep our personal firearms in the armory regardless if we lived on base or not. Also we could not purchase Playboys on base and, although, I was responsible enough to care for and crew a $30,000,000 aircraft, I was not considered responsible enough to be able to drink a beer.www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #14 March 10, 2009 One thing the article doesn't mention is the tone, manner, and maturity level of the presentation given by the student. On on hand it could have been quite professional, offering and objective view of the potential benefits of carrying concealed weapons on campus. At the other extreme, it could have been something akin to the opening post of the recent thread about how to stop gang violence. In the first case, calling the police may well have been an overreaction. In the second case, calling the police may well have been the only responsible option for the professor. If the presentation fell somewhere in between the two extremes, as it probably did, it comes down to a judgement call on the professor's part. While I seriously doubt that I'd have contacted the police myself in her case (provided the presentation was made in a reasonably mature and responsible manner), I certainly can't fault the professor for making the decision she made, at least not given only the information provided in the article to which the OP linked. If we justify keeping and carrying weapons by arguing that they help keep us safe from armed criminals, then we tacitly acknowledge that some people who carry guns are criminals who mean to do us harm.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #15 March 10, 2009 Quote Did YOU keep any personalweapons on base when you were active duty???? FWIW, perhaps the rules changed. Here on Campbell, POWs (now the term used, the old "POW" is now "EPW"...) for those that live on post, must be kept in their Company's Arms Vault. If you live off post...the Provost Marshall doesn't have an interest.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #16 March 10, 2009 QuoteOne thing the article doesn't mention is the tone, manner, and maturity level of the presentation given by the student. Conversely - the article doesn't mention is the tone, manner, and maturity level of the questions and responses of the professor during the presentation - as well as those students who are brainwashed by PC nonsense or were just kissing up to the prof during the preso. But, in my college experience, the profs are ones that are typically to most "out there" on these kinds of things and, normally reasonable, but when confronted with a political issue revert to emotional basket cases and name calling/derision. I've met mature profs, but I've met an almost equal mix of nutjob profs - 50/50 is not equivalent to the normal population's proportions. Certainly Speaker's Corner ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #17 March 10, 2009 QuoteQuoteOne thing the article doesn't mention is the tone, manner, and maturity level of the presentation given by the student. Conversely - the article doesn't mention is the tone, manner, and maturity level of the questions and responses of the professor during the presentation - as well as those students who are brainwashed by PC nonsense or were just kissing up to the prof during the preso. No, it doesn't. QuoteBut, in my college experience, the profs are ones that are typically to most "out there" on these kinds of things and, normally reasonable, but when confronted with a political issue revert to emotional basket cases and name calling/derision. My experience is quite different. Of the professors that offer clues w/r/t what their own political ideology is (most do not), I've had far more conservative professors than liberal ones. QuoteI've met mature profs, but I've met an almost equal mix of nutjob profs - 50/50 is not equivalent to the normal population's proportions. Certainly Speaker's Corner The only professor I've had that I would consider a nutjob was WAY right of center, and she was all too happy to try to promote her political ideology in class.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
timmyfitz 0 #18 March 10, 2009 She seems angry....a lot Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goofyjumper 0 #19 March 10, 2009 Quote News: Professor Takes Heat for Calling Cops on Student Who Discussed Guns in Class A professor in Connecticut reported one of her students to the police after he gave a class presentation on why students and teachers should be allowed to carry concealed weapons on campus. Now, free speech activists say the professor’s actions are what really need to be investigated. Last October, John Wahlberg and two classmates at Central Connecticut State University gave an oral presentation for a communications class taught by Professor Paula Anderson. The assignment was to discuss a “relevant issue in the media,” and the students presented their view that the death toll in the April 2007 Virginia Tech shooting massacre would have been lower if professors and students had been carrying guns. That night, police called Wahlberg, a 23-year-old senior, and asked him to come to the station. When he arrived, they they read off a list of firearms that were registered in his name and asked where he kept them... Source: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,504524,00.html I am sorry. I dont understand why the title of this thread is "another good liberal." I didn't see the word Liberal in any of that article. ----------------- I love and Miss you so much Honey! Orfun #3 ~ Darla Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #20 March 10, 2009 >I didn't see the word Liberal in any of that article. John doesn't like him. Therefore, he's a liberal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goofyjumper 0 #21 March 10, 2009 Quote >I didn't see the word Liberal in any of that article. John doesn't like him. Therefore, he's a liberal. ----------------- I love and Miss you so much Honey! Orfun #3 ~ Darla Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #22 March 10, 2009 Quote Quote Did YOU keep any personalweapons on base when you were active duty???? FWIW, perhaps the rules changed. Here on Campbell, POWs (now the term used, the old "POW" is now "EPW"...) for those that live on post, must be kept in their Company's Arms Vault. If you live off post...the Provost Marshall doesn't have an interest. Thank you Jason and Max.. I am glad to see SOMEONE out there has some integrity to answer the question. When I was in personal weapons had to be kept at the base Security Police offices where the lockup was. Personal weapons were banned on base. Personally I thought that was a good thing considerring how shit faced so many guys got on a VERY regular basis. I am a firm believer in not mixing alcohol and weapons. I have had a concealed carry permit for a while now and I know where I can carry and where I can't. In striving to be a law abiding citizen exercising my 2nd amendment rights I try to make sure I do not break the law and give them an excuse.... any excuse.. to restrict those rights. Carrying a weapon to certain places like courthouses or other state facilities can get you into a world of hurt. In the current climate I can certainly understand why such restrictions have come about. The ability to take your weapons where ever you wish is just not reasonable after some people have abused our right by demonstrating their ability to be complete fuckups. Along with the right to carry is the RESPONSIBILITY to use the weapons in the proper way. Do I think that being able to carry on campus.. or a courthouse coupld possibly prevent some of the things we have seen in the last ten years??? HELL YEAH. BUT... a very BIG BUT. The laws are in place to prevent some places at some times. Thats the law.. dont like the law...get it changed. If the kid is stupid enough to shoot off his mouth..he had best be smart enough to keep his weapons off state property. With the history of Choe and others... openly advocating carrying.. while living in the dorms.. is certainly going to set off all kinds of peoples warning bells. He opened the door for the authorities to look VERY closely at him. I looked up the reasoning they were so strident there in Connecticut. The college policy is fairly clear. http://www.ccsu.edu/PublicSafety/default.htm We follow the State’s Zero Tolerance Policy for workplace violence and weapons on State property. The state Policy search.cga.state.ct.us/dl2008/rpt/doc/2008-R-0623.doc On March 6, 1998, a disgruntled employee, returning to work after a leave to treat stress, went on a shooting rampage at the Connecticut Lottery Office and killed four people and then himself. In the aftermath, the state announced a comprehensive statewide security initiative to review security measures at all state buildings and establish security standards. The following year, the legislature enacted PA 99-220. It established the Statewide Security Management Council, required the Department of Public Works (DPW) to establish safety standards, and authorized DPW to conduct security audits of state facilities. A few months later, Gov. Rowland issued Executive Order No. 16 (see attachment 1) that banned state employees from bringing weapons or dangerous instruments onto any state worksite (unless required to as a condition of employment). In addition to addressing violence in the workplace, the order addressed threatening, harassing, or intimidating behavior and required employees to report such behavior immediately. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #23 March 10, 2009 Quote She seems angry....a lot Gee..I guess I just respond that way to the angry men on here who can't or won't rub a few brain cells together rather then getting all of their opinions from Lush Rimjob or Wayne LaPierre types and respond in a manner commensurate with having a brain in their head...the big head,,the one on top of their body.Turn about is fair play to me Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Unstable 9 #24 March 10, 2009 Quote But, in my college experience, the profs are ones that are typically to most "out there" on these kinds of things and, normally reasonable, but when confronted with a political issue revert to emotional basket cases and name calling/derision. I've met mature profs, but I've met an almost equal mix of nutjob profs - 50/50 is not equivalent to the normal population's proportions. Certainly Speaker's Corner Agreed. I was born, raised, and currently live in a College Town. 60,000 Folks for a 25,000 student University. For the most part, we're in conservative America (Kansas). You would be surprised what three simple letters, P, H, and D can do to a person if they themselves were not sufficiently humble to begin with. They begin to believe that what they say is the ultimate truth, and even in academic environment, thought policing is sadly becoming a more common occurance.=========Shaun ========== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #25 March 10, 2009 Perhaps I am missing the point to this thread but I see it more as a freedom of speech issue rather than a right to bear arms issue. In the end the question is did the professor do the right thing by calling the cops on the student? I would say yes if the student displayed some psychological imbalance during his presentation. However, the word paranoia comes to mind if the cops were called based on the subject matter alone. It's hard to say exactly which case it might be based solely on the article.www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
