Another Good Liberal

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Damn Karen.

You have such a good memory, I haven't heard that name in years.

She was such a hottie too, hubba, hubba.

“The only fool bigger than the person who knows it all is the person who argues with him.

Stanislaw Jerzy Lec quotes (Polish writer, poet and satirist 1906-1966)

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I would like confirmation on this...

You think the police should be called on a student who gives a class presentation (as was required by the teacher) on the legalization of marijuana so that the student and the student's property can be searched for marijuana.

Is this correct Jeane?

There are power in words. OBVIOUSLY he said something in the presentation to cause the professor to alert authorities...

And Ok.. give me some statistics on death by explosive blunts on campuses across the country...

I don't think it's obvious but also I don't discount the possibility the students behavior create cause for alarm. I just wanted confirmation on the answer you gave below

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Should she call the police on students who gave a speech on the legalization of drugs, to see if they have any illegal drugs in their possession on campus?
Hell yes. If its breaking the law then hell yes.

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I would like confirmation on this...

You think the police should be called on a student who gives a class presentation (as was required by the teacher) on the legalization of marijuana so that the student and the student's property can be searched for marijuana.

Is this correct Jeane?

There are power in words. OBVIOUSLY he said something in the presentation to cause the professor to alert authorities...

And Ok.. give me some statistics on death by explosive blunts on campuses across the country...

I don't think it's obvious but also I don't discount the possibility the students behavior create cause for alarm. I just wanted confirmation on the answer you gave below

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Should she call the police on students who gave a speech on the legalization of drugs, to see if they have any illegal drugs in their possession on campus?
Hell yes. If its breaking the law then hell yes.

If you are fucking STUPID enough to advocate possesion of illegal drugs ( and there are a HELL of a lot of them) then you had best be prepared to live with police intervention in your life...
I guess you live in some kind of wierd fantasy world where the words comeing out of your mouth have no meaning to those around you

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She was such a hottie too, hubba, hubba.

Hottie?! maybe for a Mt. Horeb troll!! (Shalala??!! hottie?!!!)

But... the point is that attacks on the Freedom of Speech aren't new or just with the current administration. But... with respect to THIS case....

I can see both arguments.

But even if the professor feels "justified" in examining the student ("warning signs" or what ever you chose to call it)... it is still a violation of rights. An assumption that just because he gave a speech about guns (which we don't really even know the full text of that speech or the tone) and then was questioned as if he had done something wrong... rather guilty until proven innocent, if you ask me.

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I guess you live in some kind of wierd fantasy world where the words comeing out of your mouth have no meaning to those around you

Oy ... that's harsh.

Otoh, that's sometimes the way I feel ... c'est la vie.

VR/Marg

Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters.
Tibetan Buddhist saying

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Thought police have been around for a while.

Donna Shalala served as Chancellor of the University of Wisconsin-Madison. Under her chancellorship and with her support, the University adopted a broad speech code subjecting students to disciplinary action for communications that were perceived as hate speech. That speech code was later found unconstitutional by a federal judge.[2] Also while chancellor, Shalala supported passage of a revised faculty speech code broadly restricting "harmful" speech in both "noninstructional" and "instructional" settings. The faculty speech code was abolished ten years later, after a number of professors were investigated for alleged or suspected violations.[3]

And... with that record of violation of the First Amendment, she served for eight years as Secretary of Health and Human Services under President Clinton. AND She was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the nation's highest civilian honor, by President George W. Bush in June 2008. So BOTH the Democratic side and the Republican side of the presidency seem to be able to bypass violation of rights.

You have the right to remain silent.... well .... until they tell you to talk.

Well Doc... you like others on here just go right ahead and use whatever terms you want to... but the rest of us who find it offensive.. will just have a further accurate picture of how you really feel about people who are not like you and your fellow travellers.

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One thing the article doesn't mention is the tone, manner, and maturity level of the presentation given by the student. On on hand it could have been quite professional, offering and objective view of the potential benefits of carrying concealed weapons on campus. At the other extreme, it could have been something akin to the opening post of the recent thread about how to stop gang violence.

In the first case, calling the police may well have been an overreaction. In the second case, calling the police may well have been the only responsible option for the professor. If the presentation fell somewhere in between the two extremes, as it probably did, it comes down to a judgement call on the professor's part. While I seriously doubt that I'd have contacted the police myself in her case (provided the presentation was made in a reasonably mature and responsible manner), I certainly can't fault the professor for making the decision she made, at least not given only the information provided in the article to which the OP linked.

If we justify keeping and carrying weapons by arguing that they help keep us safe from armed criminals, then we tacitly acknowledge that some people who carry guns are criminals who mean to do us harm.

Thanks for the thoughtful, non-reactionary post.
In the real world rarely are things as purely black-n-white as we can imagine them in ASCII text.

/Marg

Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters.
Tibetan Buddhist saying

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will just have a further accurate picture of how you really feel about people who are not like you and your fellow travellers.

Likewise.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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Thought police have been around for a while.

Donna Shalala served as Chancellor of the University of Wisconsin-Madison. Under her chancellorship and with her support, the University adopted a broad speech code subjecting students to disciplinary action for communications that were perceived as hate speech. That speech code was later found unconstitutional by a federal judge.[2] Also while chancellor, Shalala supported passage of a revised faculty speech code broadly restricting "harmful" speech in both "noninstructional" and "instructional" settings. The faculty speech code was abolished ten years later, after a number of professors were investigated for alleged or suspected violations.[3]

And... with that record of violation of the First Amendment, she served for eight years as Secretary of Health and Human Services under President Clinton. AND She was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the nation's highest civilian honor, by President George W. Bush in June 2008. So BOTH the Democratic side and the Republican side of the presidency seem to be able to bypass violation of rights.

You have the right to remain silent.... well .... until they tell you to talk.

Well Doc... you like others on here just go right ahead and use whatever terms you want to... but the rest of us who find it offensive.. will just have a further accurate picture of how you really feel about people who are not like you and your fellow travellers.

So... let me get that straight.

But using an example of someone violating the First Amendment rights, you are insinuating that I am racist? or bigoted? or whatever else you already think in a prejudiced type fashion?

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Thought police have been around for a while.

Donna Shalala served as Chancellor of the University of Wisconsin-Madison. Under her chancellorship and with her support, the University adopted a broad speech code subjecting students to disciplinary action for communications that were perceived as hate speech. That speech code was later found unconstitutional by a federal judge.[2] Also while chancellor, Shalala supported passage of a revised faculty speech code broadly restricting "harmful" speech in both "noninstructional" and "instructional" settings. The faculty speech code was abolished ten years later, after a number of professors were investigated for alleged or suspected violations.[3]

And... with that record of violation of the First Amendment, she served for eight years as Secretary of Health and Human Services under President Clinton. AND She was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the nation's highest civilian honor, by President George W. Bush in June 2008. So BOTH the Democratic side and the Republican side of the presidency seem to be able to bypass violation of rights.

You have the right to remain silent.... well .... until they tell you to talk.

Well Doc... you like others on here just go right ahead and use whatever terms you want to... but the rest of us who find it offensive.. will just have a further accurate picture of how you really feel about people who are not like you and your fellow travellers.

So... let me get that straight.

But using an example of someone violating the First Amendment rights, you are insinuating that I am racist? or bigoted? or whatever else you already think in a prejudiced type fashion?

It has been my experience in life that those who decry politically correctness as an infringement on their right to call whomever they wish whatever name they wish.. as yes.. usually racist sexist or homophoibic etc...... bigots

If you are going to talk the talk... pardon me if I turn my back on you and walk the walk .............right away from you . Pardon me for pointing out that fact.

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will just have a further accurate picture of how you really feel about people who are not like you and your fellow travellers.

Likewise.

Go ahead and call em as you see em Mike.. but so sorry when others do not miscontrue your meaning in your words.

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It has been my experience in life that those who decry politically correctness as an infringement on their right to call whomever they wish whatever name they wish.. as yes.. usually racist sexist or homophoibic etc...... bigots

If you are going to talk the talk... pardon me if I turn my back on you and walk the walk .............right away from you . Pardon me for pointing out that fact.

So, was it the wikipedia link that offended you, or the fact that Doc was correct?

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That speech code was later found unconstitutional by a federal judge

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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Well Doc... you like others on here just go right ahead and use whatever terms you want to... but the rest of us who find it offensive.. will just have a further accurate picture of how you really feel about people who are not like you and your fellow travellers.

So... let me get that straight.

But using an example of someone violating the First Amendment rights, you are insinuating that I am racist? or bigoted? or whatever else you already think in a prejudiced type fashion?

It has been my experience in life that those who decry politically correctness as an infringement on their right to call whomever they wish whatever name they wish.. as yes.. usually racist sexist or homophoibic etc...... bigots

If you are going to talk the talk... pardon me if I turn my back on you and walk the walk .............right away from you . Pardon me for pointing out that fact.

So. You're ok with limiting speech?

But, if I recall correctly; You seemed ok with the actions of someone protesting President Bush by throwing his shoe. words back attcha

I'm seeing a hypocritical stance here.

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Damn, you really can spin anything

Rainbo
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"Blessed are those who can give without remembering, and take without forgetting."

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.........right away from you ..

Please do.

It honestly won't offend me if you never reply to me or fail to comment on any post that I make.

Please do.

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Well Doc... you like others on here just go right ahead and use whatever terms you want to... but the rest of us who find it offensive.. will just have a further accurate picture of how you really feel about people who are not like you and your fellow travellers.

So... let me get that straight.

But using an example of someone violating the First Amendment rights, you are insinuating that I am racist? or bigoted? or whatever else you already think in a prejudiced type fashion?

It has been my experience in life that those who decry politically correctness as an infringement on their right to call whomever they wish whatever name they wish.. as yes.. usually racist sexist or homophoibic etc...... bigots

If you are going to talk the talk... pardon me if I turn my back on you and walk the walk .............right away from you . Pardon me for pointing out that fact.

So. You're ok with limiting speech?

But, if I recall correctly; You seemed ok with the actions of someone protesting President Bush by throwing his shoe. words back attcha

I'm seeing a hypocritical stance here.

Nope I am not for limiting speech.. call other people what ever you want there in JesusLand... but please do not be surprised when you go outside your insular little world where people have moved on and find your speech offensive.

And just because some guy tosses his shoe at your LORD... does not mean he should get the treatment he did. ... but you probably think the death penalty would have been good for that one.

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will just have a further accurate picture of how you really feel about people who are not like you and your fellow travellers.

Likewise.

Go ahead and call em as you see em Mike.. but so sorry when others do not miscontrue your meaning in your words.

Nice round-about way to try to call me a bigot. In my experience, the only people that seem to misconstrue things are the ones that go out of their way to find something to be offended about. So sorry if that seems to describe you.

Of course, the blatant hypocrisy in your outrage over the term "thought police", considering all the epithets YOU use describing people whose ideologies you don't care for, is absolutely hilarious.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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.........right away from you ..

Please do.

It honestly won't offend me if you never reply to me or fail to comment on any post that I make.

Please do.

I have tried.. honestly... having seen you and others during the election. BUT I am ALWAYS up for a good verbal fight with the RABID RIGHT

But you are always free to do another stomping off hissy fit again.

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Nope I am not for limiting speech.. call other people what ever you want there in JesusLand... but please do not be surprised when you go outside your insular little world where people have moved on and find your speech offensive.

And just because some guy tosses his shoe at your LORD... does not mean he should get the treatment he did. ... but you probably think the death penalty would have been good for that one.

And.... speaking of bigotry... I think we'll just go ahead and quote this before it gets changed.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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will just have a further accurate picture of how you really feel about people who are not like you and your fellow travellers.

Likewise.

Go ahead and call em as you see em Mike.. but so sorry when others do not miscontrue your meaning in your words.

Nice round-about way to try to call me a bigot. In my experience, the only people that seem to misconstrue things are the ones that go out of their way to find something to be offended about. So sorry if that seems to describe you.

Of course, the blatant hypocrisy in your outrage over the term "thought police", considering all the epithets YOU use describing people whose ideologies you don't care for, is absolutely hilarious.

TSK TSK TSK...

AS I said feel free to call anyone any derogatory names you deem fit based on your quaint background.

Personally I LOVE having that window into a persons soul.

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It has been my experience in life that those who decry politically correctness as an infringement on their right to call whomever they wish whatever name they wish.. as yes.. usually racist sexist or homophoibic etc...... bigots

If you are going to talk the talk... pardon me if I turn my back on you and walk the walk .............right away from you . Pardon me for pointing out that fact.

So. You're ok with limiting speech?

But, if I recall correctly; You seemed ok with the actions of someone protesting President Bush by throwing his shoe. words back attcha

I'm seeing a hypocritical stance here.

Nope I am not for limiting speech.. call other people what ever you want there in JesusLand... but please do not be surprised when you go outside your insular little world where people have moved on and find your speech offensive.

And just because some guy tosses his shoe at your LORD... does not mean he should get the treatment he did. ... but you probably think the death penalty would have been good for that one.

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It has been my experience in life that those who decry politically correctness as an infringement on their right to call whomever they wish whatever name they wish.. as yes.. usually racist sexist or homophoibic etc...... bigots

If you are going to talk the talk... pardon me if I turn my back on you and walk the walk .............right away from you . Pardon me for pointing out that fact.

So. You're ok with limiting speech?

But, if I recall correctly; You seemed ok with the actions of someone protesting President Bush by throwing his shoe. words back attcha

I'm seeing a hypocritical stance here.

Nope I am not for limiting speech.. call other people what ever you want there in JesusLand... but please do not be surprised when you go outside your insular little world where people have moved on and find your speech offensive.

And just because some guy tosses his shoe at your LORD... does not mean he should get the treatment he did. ... but you probably think the death penalty would have been good for that one.

not for limiting.... but.... and only if I agree with what is said.....

And see how tolerant I am to allow you the privilege of slandering my reputation. You don't know me. Never met (thank what ever god you you think I choose to worship) You don't know my personal beliefs (except for those that you seem to have imagined) Yet you find it necessary to insult and demean. Why is that?

Just walk away. (like you said you would)

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I guess you live in some kind of wierd fantasy world where the words comeing out of your mouth have no meaning to those around you

Nope....I live in a country that has a constitution where the very First Amendment reads as such...

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.


I also swore to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic;

Now go smoke a blunt damn it. Please don't send the cops by my house.

www.FourWheelerHB.com

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And see how tolerant I am to allow you the privilege of slandering my reputation. You don't know me. Never met (thank what ever god you you think I choose to worship) You don't know my personal beliefs (except for those that you seem to have imagined) Yet you find it necessary to insult and demean. Why is that?

Just walk away. (like you said you would)

I can only base my opinion of someone based on what they type here.

When you feel that using certain words is limiting to you.. whats a girl to think.

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And see how tolerant I am to allow you the privilege of slandering my reputation. You don't know me. Never met (thank what ever god you you think I choose to worship) You don't know my personal beliefs (except for those that you seem to have imagined) Yet you find it necessary to insult and demean. Why is that?

Just walk away. (like you said you would)

I can only base my opinion of someone based on what they type here.

When you feel that using certain words is limiting to you.. whats a girl to think.

I use an example of someone that adopted a broad speech code that was found unconstitutional by a federal judge to prove that violations of First Amendment rights have existed since prior to Pres. Obama. (note... no comments on your religion or slander to your political opinions)

I then further point out in post 54 that "I can see both arguments."

And you feel so righteous that you can then judge me, whom you have never met and have no personal experience with and w/r/t post here on this forum.... basing opinions on what is posted on this forum would not do you any favors.