Skyrad 0 #1 March 11, 2009 http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20090311/twl-gunman-on-rampage-in-school-shooting-3fd0ae9.html Eight schoolchildren and two adults shot dead. Gunman on the run. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuckakers 426 #2 March 11, 2009 Quote http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20090311/twl-gunman-on-rampage-in-school-shooting-3fd0ae9.html Eight schoolchildren and two adults shot dead. Gunman on the run. Nice to see gun control is working well in Duetchland.Chuck Akers D-10855 Houston, TX Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kbordson 8 #3 March 11, 2009 What are the actual laws there? I found ["http://www.scribd.com/doc/1762038/US-Army-Gun-Ownership-in-Germany"]US Army: Gun Ownership in Germany[/url] that explains how to go through the process of gun ownership over there, but it doesn't link to the actual laws. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tf15 0 #4 March 11, 2009 Quote Quote http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20090311/twl-gunman-on-rampage-in-school-shooting-3fd0ae9.html Eight schoolchildren and two adults shot dead. Gunman on the run. Nice to see gun control is working well in Duetchland. And in Alabama too. See today's news. Three times is enemy action Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryzflies 0 #5 March 11, 2009 Quote Quote Quote http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20090311/twl-gunman-on-rampage-in-school-shooting-3fd0ae9.html Eight schoolchildren and two adults shot dead. Gunman on the run. Nice to see gun control is working well in Duetchland. And in Alabama too. See today's news. www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/03/11/alabama.shooting.spree/If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #6 March 11, 2009 QuoteNice to see gun control is working well in Duetchland. he lived with his parents who owned a number of legal firearms. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuckakers 426 #7 March 11, 2009 Quote Quote Quote http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20090311/twl-gunman-on-rampage-in-school-shooting-3fd0ae9.html Eight schoolchildren and two adults shot dead. Gunman on the run. Nice to see gun control is working well in Duetchland. And in Alabama too. See today's news. Yep, saw it. Let's not forget, if someone who chooses to go postal wants a gun, they will get one whether they are outlawed or not. With that as a starting point, any one of the people he killed might not be dead had they been in possision of a firearm themselves.Chuck Akers D-10855 Houston, TX Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #8 March 11, 2009 QuoteWith that as a starting point, any one of the people he killed might not be dead had they been in possision of a firearm themselves. The majority of the dead are high school aged kids. Are you in favour of letting high school kids carry to school? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #9 March 11, 2009 QuoteWith that as a starting point, any one of the people he killed might not be dead had they been in possision of a firearm themselves. You want to arm all the schoolkids, too?Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuckakers 426 #10 March 11, 2009 QuoteQuoteWith that as a starting point, any one of the people he killed might not be dead had they been in possision of a firearm themselves. The majority of the dead are high school aged kids. Are you in favour of letting high school kids carry to school? And what other kinds of people were in that school? Adults! Satisfied?Chuck Akers D-10855 Houston, TX Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuckakers 426 #11 March 11, 2009 QuoteQuoteWith that as a starting point, any one of the people he killed might not be dead had they been in possision of a firearm themselves. You want to arm all the schoolkids, too? I didn't say I wanted to arm anyone. I was just making a point.Chuck Akers D-10855 Houston, TX Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #12 March 11, 2009 you specifically refered to the dead, since that is what you wrote I can only assume that is what you meant. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,545 #13 March 11, 2009 I find it interesting that when the place was Germany, the comment was "well, how did gun control impact that?" while when the place was Alabama, the comment was "well, when a nutter goes loose, there's not a whole lot you can do." I guess the perception is that if there are draconian gun control laws, they contributed. And if there aren't, then it was an individual thing. The nutter is part of the problem. But a world where nutters have lots of reinforcement that guns solve problems, it strikes me that they might use them to "solve problems" more often. Me, I don't hear real often about nuts in mid-spree being shot down by the armed citizen. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #14 March 11, 2009 QuoteMe, I don't hear real often about nuts in mid-spree being shot down by the armed citizen. Its out there and its happened. Across the country burglaries and robberies have been stopped by armed citizens and home owners. A good example of a classic "nutter" scenario is the court house shooting in Tyler. A citizen engaged the suspect while the local PD was trying to setup to engage the suspect. The civilian CHL is generally credited with saving lives at the court house that day. Here's a link to the wikipedia article to get you started, although there is much more written on the subject: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyler_courthouse_shooting--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #15 March 11, 2009 Gosh! Death toll up to 16. And member christelsabine is always telling us how the tough gun laws there in her native Germany prevent this kind of massacre. Washington Post quote: "Firearms are tightly regulated in Germany, but the country has been afflicted by other mass, lone-gunman shootings in the past several years. In 2006, an 18-year-old student carrying explosives and rifles injured dozens of people in the northwestern German town of Emsdetten before killing himself. In 2002, a 19-year-old former student fatally shot 16 people at a high school in Erfurt, in eastern Germany, before taking his own life."So much for christelsabine's idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #16 March 11, 2009 +1 Logic doesn't apply when a nutter is involved.... beit with a gun, knife, 2x2, fist, bomb etc.. the dead are still dead and families grieving. No laws will ever stop this from happening. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #17 March 11, 2009 QuoteGosh! And member christelsabine is always telling us how the tough gun laws there in her native Germany prevent this kind of massacre. So much for that idea. Except that the shooter had access to legal guns. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #18 March 11, 2009 QuoteExcept that the shooter had access to legal guns. And if we just make all guns illegal, then none of this will ever happen again, right? Because we all know that no one is ever able to get their hands on an illegal gun. Hope springs eternal for the gun-grabbers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #19 March 11, 2009 Not quite what I said. Just that the argument about gun control is a little silly in this incident since he had access to legal guns. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #20 March 11, 2009 Quote Me, I don't hear real often about nuts in mid-spree being shot down by the armed citizen. This has been a complaint about the reporting of gun crimes. Past school shooting sprees have been ended when people obtained and brought guns to counter the student, and forced a surrender, but this detail seems to get lost in the reporting. You also see less about armed citizens stopping it mid spree since the events tend to happen in places where the citizens can't legally carry - ie schools and churches. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #21 March 11, 2009 Quote Gosh! Death toll up to 16. And member christelsabine is always telling us how the tough gun laws there in her native Germany prevent this kind of massacre. Washington Post quote: "Firearms are tightly regulated in Germany, but the country has been afflicted by other mass, lone-gunman shootings in the past several years. In 2006, an 18-year-old student carrying explosives and rifles injured dozens of people in the northwestern German town of Emsdetten before killing himself. In 2002, a 19-year-old former student fatally shot 16 people at a high school in Erfurt, in eastern Germany, before taking his own life."So much for christelsabine's idea. Someone called me? Oh well, JohnRich! Do your homework before posting ..... 5 fatal shootings in 15 years, of which minimum 2 were revange killings (f.e. a Turk killing many people after a choosen woman refused to merry him) I just try to imagine what whould've happend, if every member of the womans family was armed and had fired back (as per US style "shown" here many times) : I giant mutual killing with many more killed persons. A pile of dead bodies. As long as those fatal (school-) shootings do happen that rare, our laws seem to work properly. No wait, I think not really: They should be much more rigid. Especially regarding gun/ammo controls. JohnRich, turn it from left to right, it will remain unchanged: Our laws work. And as long as every idiot has the right to buy as many weapons as he likes (as per US style), mass killings in the US will happen every now and than. Arm those (high) school kids - as per request of a poster here - and the death toll will increase endlessly. Good luck. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #22 March 11, 2009 Quote .... Nice to see gun control is working well in Duetchland. Jeez, those aliens! It's written "Deutschland". Jawoll. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capt.Slog 0 #23 March 11, 2009 Mass shooting in Germany - "Man bites dog". Mass shooting in Alabama - "Dog bites man". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuckakers 426 #24 March 11, 2009 Quote Quote .... Nice to see gun control is working well in Duetchland. Jeez, those aliens! It's written "Deutschland". Jawoll. I quit trying once I learned to spell Texas.Chuck Akers D-10855 Houston, TX Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #25 March 11, 2009 Odd... aren't you the one that always says how the Teutonic model of gun control prevents these thing, Fraulein Christel? Looks like it doesn't prevent it after all... it just makes sure that the victims have no way to fight back...just like in most of the incidents in the USA that you so love to mention.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
