georgerussia 0 #51 March 20, 2009 Quote He insists that anyone coming from another culture or religion should respect the culture of the place they are moving to. I have never heard of such requirement. Obey the law - yes, it is required, and this requirement is very clear. But what is "respecting the culture"? If I do not like baseball or football unlike most people around, do I show disrespect to the culture? If I go to Utah and do not go to a church on Sunday unlike most people around, do I show disrespect to the culture? If I'm walking down the street with my wife and we speak Russian, do I show disrespect to the culture? Some people would say I do, some would say I do not. It is very hard to define what would it mean to "respect the culture", and the term itself is very vague. Could you provide examples of such respect, which you would consider valid, but which would not fall into "obey the law"?* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
timmyfitz 0 #52 March 20, 2009 QuoteGod is not in the constitution (other than the whole inconvenient separation of church and state thing) There is no mention of separation of church and state in the constitution. I don't even think the word church is in there. http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redlegphi 0 #53 March 20, 2009 QuoteQuoteGod is not in the constitution (other than the whole inconvenient separation of church and state thing) There is no mention of separation of church and state in the constitution. I don't even think the word church is in there. http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html She was clearly referencing the establishment clause, more commonly referred to as "separation of church and state", so while the words may not literally be in the Constitution, the concept is. Still can't find God though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capt.Slog 0 #54 March 20, 2009 QuotePutting the entire GOD argument aside for a second, I think Rudd’s argument is more about Australian Culture than about religion. … It wasn't Rudd's argument to begin with. That has already been debunked. Why don't you pay attention? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,070 #55 March 20, 2009 >There is no mention of separation of church and state in the constitution. First Amendment. The actual words "separation between church and state" were penned later by Jefferson to explain what the First Amendment meant. >I don't even think the word church is in there. A church is "an establishment of religion." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #56 March 20, 2009 QuoteQuote He insists that anyone coming from another culture or religion should respect the culture of the place they are moving to. I have never heard of such requirement. Obey the law - yes, it is required, and this requirement is very clear. But what is "respecting the culture"? If I do not like baseball or football unlike most people around, do I show disrespect to the culture? If I go to Utah and do not go to a church on Sunday unlike most people around, do I show disrespect to the culture? If I'm walking down the street with my wife and we speak Russian, do I show disrespect to the culture? Some people would say I do, some would say I do not. It is very hard to define what would it mean to "respect the culture", and the term itself is very vague. Could you provide examples of such respect, which you would consider valid, but which would not fall into "obey the law"? Moving to Utah and then making a fuss about the ridiculous alcohol laws might be an example of not respecting the culture. It's like moving next to an airport and complaining about the noise. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #57 March 20, 2009 Quote Moving to Utah and then making a fuss about the ridiculous alcohol laws might be an example of not respecting the culture. It's like moving next to an airport and complaining about the noise. I don't think the Utah analogy is very good. They have some pretty stupid liquor laws in the Carolinas for about the same reason. It wouldn't keep me from wanting to move there and I reserve the right to bitch about it and to actively try to get the law changed for the betterment of mankind. Regardless of where I moved to I wounldn't sit down if I felt something about a culture wasn't right. How about the caste system in India? It's STILL part of the culture in many places. If my business were there I became aware of discrimination because of it then am I just going say that it's part of their culture?"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #58 March 20, 2009 Quote Moving to Utah and then making a fuss about the ridiculous alcohol laws might be an example of not respecting the culture. Isn't making a fuss about ridiculous laws one of the basic principles this country is based upon? Movements for equal rights, requests to dismiss interracial marriage ban, strucking down anti-sodomy laws - all of them then should be a very similar examples of showing tremendous disrespect to the culture, being started as making a fuss about the ridiculous laws.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #59 March 20, 2009 alcohol laws aren't discriminatory like all of your examples. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #60 March 20, 2009 Quotealcohol laws aren't discriminatory like all of your examples. Of course they are. They just happen not to discriminate against protected category. But some time ago women, blacks and gays were not a protected category either.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
