dreamdancer 0 #26 March 21, 2009 the ira war lasted for longer than fifty years - few people thought it would end. but it did once the us withdraws its unquestioning support of israel (replacing it with questioning support) and commits to a fair two state solution then hamas will quickly recognise israel stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #27 March 21, 2009 Quote the ira war lasted for longer than fifty years - few people thought it would end. but it did That must be comforting to the friends and families of those two cops. Israel could make peace with the major opposition forces, and there would always be some assholes left that would continue the violence, sucking everyone back into it. Gaza is the most current example. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #28 March 21, 2009 Quoteand you're surprised that people here give you so little attention on these threads? what do you think of this... QuoteSmuggling was often the only source of subsistence for Ghetto inhabitants, who would otherwise have died of starvation. Despite the grave hardships, life in the Ghetto was rich with educational and cultural activities, conducted by its underground organizations. Hospitals, public soup kitchens, orphanages, refugee centers and recreation facilities were formed, as well as a school system. Some schools were illegal and operated under the guise of a soup kitchen. There were secret libraries, classes for the children and even a symphony orchestra. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_ghettostay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #29 March 21, 2009 You don't like to stay on topic much. And you're better at citations (esp from partisan sources) than writing your own arguments. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #30 March 21, 2009 Quote Quote the ira war lasted for longer than fifty years - few people thought it would end. but it did That must be comforting to the friends and families of those two cops. Israel could make peace with the major opposition forces, and there would always be some assholes left that would continue the violence, sucking everyone back into it. Gaza is the most current example. is everyone in ireland being sucked back into war? (by a splinter group of a splinter group) - no, they've got more sense. same with the palestinians and the israelis in a few years time stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krip 2 #31 March 22, 2009 Quote Quote Quote the ira war lasted for longer than fifty years - few people thought it would end. but it did That must be comforting to the friends and families of those two cops. Israel could make peace with the major opposition forces, and there would always be some assholes left that would continue the violence, sucking everyone back into it. Gaza is the most current example. is everyone in ireland being sucked back into war? (by a splinter group of a splinter group) - no, they've got more sense. same with the palestinians and the israelis in a few years time I'm afraid we're talking a few generations instead of a few yearsR.I.P.One Jump Wonder Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #32 March 22, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Off course yoour right. I guess distorting the facts, denying the facts has not worked now he will attempted at getting me banned. Sad really Sad. I wonder if some people ever grow? If you can never admit your wrong I guess you can feel you’re always right. I am still waiting for some Israeli death camps for the Palistinians in the Negev..base don YOUR desire to demonize them...where are they Darius????? OH wait,, that was actually the Arab states and OTHER certain countries in that area who were friendly to Hitler and supported his desire to eradicate Jews... interesting NEWSPEAK you talk out of your mouth So mass murder is ok with you so long as its the Jews doing it? Mass murder???? Ever thought of searching for a grip on reality??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #33 March 22, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote the ira war lasted for longer than fifty years - few people thought it would end. but it did That must be comforting to the friends and families of those two cops. Israel could make peace with the major opposition forces, and there would always be some assholes left that would continue the violence, sucking everyone back into it. Gaza is the most current example. is everyone in ireland being sucked back into war? (by a splinter group of a splinter group) - no, they've got more sense. same with the palestinians and the israelis in a few years time I'm afraid we're talking a few generations instead of a few yearsR.I.P. no, this generation will do it. us policy is the key. how do you think a us and iran rapprochement will affect the israel/palestine coonflict?stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #34 March 22, 2009 Quote Mass murder???? Ever thought of searching for a grip on reality??? you get a grip on reality! over five hundred children and old people have been murdered in gaza - that is mass murder by the israelis (with us weapons) how many children died in the wtc bombing? or omagh?stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #35 March 22, 2009 QuoteYou don't like to stay on topic much. And you're better at citations (esp from partisan sources) than writing your own arguments. remember that the idf is an army and it must follow orders... QuoteWith Israeli newspapers threatening new disclosures, the New York Times has weighed in with an interview with a reservist describing the rules of engagement for the Gaza operation. Amir Marmor, a 33-year-old military reservist, told the newspaper that he was stunned to discover the way civilian casualties were discussed in training talks before his tank unit entered Gaza in January. "Shoot and don't worry about the consequences" was the message from commanders, said Marmor. Describing the behaviour of a lieutenant-colonel who briefed the troops, Marmor added: "His whole demeanour was extremely gung-ho. This is very, very different from my usual experience. I have been doing reserve duty for 12 years, and it was always an issue how to avoid causing civilian injuries. He said that in this operation, we are not taking any chances. Morality aside, we have to do our job. We will cry about it later." These are not the first allegations of war crimes levelled at the Israeli military. Last Thursday, the special rapporteur to the UN Human Rights Council, Richard Falk, said that the assault on Gaza appeared to be a "war crime of the greatest magnitude" and called on the UN to establish an experts' group to investigate potential violations. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/mar/22/israel-palestinian-territories-war-crimesstay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #36 March 22, 2009 Quote Quote the ira war lasted for longer than fifty years - few people thought it would end. but it did That must be comforting to the friends and families of those two cops. Israel could make peace with the major opposition forces, and there would always be some assholes left that would continue the violence, sucking everyone back into it. Gaza is the most current example. And Northern ireland is the best current example of how arseholes can't suck everyone else back into volence.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #37 March 22, 2009 1400 dead. Most of who are civillians. I'd call that mass murder. Even the IDF soldiers who did the killing refer to what they did as murder. As for your personal attack, I have a very firm grip on reality, my eyes are wide open and not blinkered by racial or religious hate as some people's are. I have nothing against Jews or Muslims and condemn acts of terror by either religion. Shame that some people in this community and beyond support acts of terror and mass murder when one group does it but not the other. But its show those who do for the hypocrits that they are.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #38 March 22, 2009 I'd be interested in hearing what our Israeli friends on DZ.com have to say about this news. Has it changed their view of the IDF? Some have supported the IDF actions time and time again, now their actions seem to be indefencable and it is interesting that those people are now conspicuos by their absence. The same goes for many of the American right wing posters (with two exceptions). Its also interesting that these are the same people always banging on about how Muslims don't condemn the terrorst actions of a minority of fanatics. Yet here we are with an official policy of murdering civillians and not one of those people have yet condemned these actions of state directed terror.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #39 March 22, 2009 they might not be saying much, but they are reading. and some (the brave ones) are speaking out. this is from the israeli press... QuoteThe soldiers' transgressions are an inevitable result of the orders given during this brutal operation, and they are the natural continuation of the last nine years, when soldiers killed nearly 5,000 Palestinians, at least half of them innocent civilians, nearly 1,000 of them children and teenagers. Everything the soldiers described from Gaza, everything, occurred during these blood-soaked years as if they were routine events. It was the context, not the principle, that was different. An army whose armored corps has yet to encounter an enemy tank and whose pilots have yet to face an enemy combat jet in 36 years has been trained to think that the only function of a tank is to crush civilian cars and that a pilot's job is to bomb residential neighborhoods. To do this without any unnecessary moral qualms we have trained our soldiers to think that the lives and property of Palestinians have no value whatsoever. It is part of a process of dehumanization that has endured for dozens of years, the fruits of the occupation. "That's what is so nice, as it were, about Gaza: You see a person on a road ... and you can just shoot him." This "nice" thing has been around for 40 years. Another soldier talked about a thirst for blood. This thirst has been with us for years. Ask the family of Yasser Tamaizi, a 35-year-old laborer from Idna who was killed by soldiers while bound, and Mahdi Abu Ayash, a 16-year-old boy from Beit Umar who was found in a vegetative state, another victim of recent days, far from the war in Gaza. http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072821.htmlstay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #40 March 22, 2009 They have made these people Untermenchen. in their eyes the Palastinians are Sub Humans.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #41 March 22, 2009 Quote the ira war lasted for longer than fifty years - few people thought it would end. but it did once the us withdraws its unquestioning support of israel (replacing it with questioning support) and commits to a fair two state solution then hamas will quickly recognise israel clinton needs to be the rock here: Quote The Americans reiterated during talks with Israeli officials that the demolitions are a contravention of the road map for peace. An April 2003 document approved by the cabinet states that no punitive action will be taken against Palestinians such as home demolitions. Senior Foreign Ministry officials who discussed the matter with their U.S. counterparts argued that the East Jerusalem demolitions were not punitive, but rather part of enforcing municipal building codes. In response to a State Department request Jerusalem prepared a detailed letter on the legal background to the issuing of demolition orders. The Foreign ministry argued that the matter is not a political one, but rather a legal one, and that all demolition orders were approved following a hearing of appeals at the Supreme Court. The Foreign Ministry also insisted that the matter is internal and suggested that no U.S. involvement is necessary. http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072813.htmlstay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #42 March 22, 2009 Quote1400 dead. Most of who are civillians. I'd call that mass murder. Even the IDF soldiers who did the killing refer to what they did as murder. As for your personal attack, I have a very firm grip on reality, my eyes areN'T wide open and not ARE blinkered by racial or AND religious hate as some people's are. I have nothing against Jews or Muslims and condemn acts of terror by either religion. Shame that some people in this community and beyond support acts of terror and mass murder when one group does it but not the other. But its show those who do for the hypocrits that they are. RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT The Israelis have been at war with Islam for a hell of a long time and certain people can't distinguish WAR from PEACE. They have learned from VERY PERSONAL experience in muslim country after muslim country how peopleful Islam is. IF your "peacefull brothers" would stop the attacks Israel would make peace. On the flip side YOUR 'peaceful brothers" would never do the same... not in another 10,000 years....but they would declare peace finally if they murdered every last jew. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #43 March 22, 2009 Quote Quote 1400 dead. Most of who are civillians. I'd call that mass murder. Even the IDF soldiers who did the killing refer to what they did as murder. As for your personal attack, I have a very firm grip on reality, my eyes areN'T wide open and not ARE blinkered by racial or AND religious hate as some people's are. I have nothing against Jews or Muslims and condemn acts of terror by either religion. Shame that some people in this community and beyond support acts of terror and mass murder when one group does it but not the other. But its show those who do for the hypocrits that they are. RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT The Israelis have been at war with Islam for a hell of a long time and certain people can't distinguish WAR from PEACE. They have learned from VERY PERSONAL experience in muslim country after muslim country how peopleful Islam is. IF your "peacefull brothers" would stop the attacks Israel would make peace. On the flip side YOUR 'peaceful brothers" would never do the same... not in another 10,000 years....but they would declare peace finally if they murdered every last jew. israel is not at war with islam - duh! and now you're calling a poster a 'hater' and a 'jew killer' stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #44 March 22, 2009 Quote Quote 1400 dead. Most of who are civillians. I'd call that mass murder. Even the IDF soldiers who did the killing refer to what they did as murder. As for your personal attack, I have a very firm grip on reality, my eyes areN'T wide open and not ARE blinkered by racial or AND religious hate as some people's are. I have nothing against Jews or Muslims and condemn acts of terror by either religion. Shame that some people in this community and beyond support acts of terror and mass murder when one group does it but not the other. But its show those who do for the hypocrits that they are. RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT The Israelis have been at war with Islam for a hell of a long time and certain people can't distinguish WAR from PEACE. They have learned from VERY PERSONAL experience in muslim country after muslim country how peopleful Islam is. IF your "peacefull brothers" would stop the attacks Israel would make peace. On the flip side YOUR 'peaceful brothers" would never do the same... not in another 10,000 years....but they would declare peace finally if they murdered every last jew. Another PA way to go Amazon. Its a shame you can't just discuss the topic without resorting to offensive personal attacks. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,994 #45 March 22, 2009 >Ever thought of searching for a grip on reality??? Your one warning. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tonyhays 86 #46 March 23, 2009 Quote once the us withdraws its unquestioning support of israel (replacing it with questioning support) and commits to a fair two state solution then hamas will quickly recognise israel That might be the funniest statement I've read in a while!!!“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.” Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #47 March 23, 2009 Quote Yet here we are with an official policy of murdering civillians and not one of those people have yet condemned these actions of state directed terror. I went back and read the articles again. I didn't see anything about an official policy of murder. The article did say Defence Minister Ehud Barak told Israel Radio that the findings would be examined seriously. "I still say we have the most moral army in the world. Of course there may be exceptions but I have absolutely no doubt this will be inspected on a case-by-case basis," he said. Who knows if a formal investigation will actually happen, but official policy is certainly not murdering civilians. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #48 March 23, 2009 Quote no, this generation will do it. us policy is the key. how do you think a us and iran rapprochement will affect the israel/palestine coonflict? The Camp David accords were more than a generation ago. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #49 March 23, 2009 Quote Quote once the us withdraws its unquestioning support of israel (replacing it with questioning support) and commits to a fair two state solution then hamas will quickly recognise israel That might be the funniest statement I've read in a while!!! where's the funny bit?stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #50 March 23, 2009 QuoteQuote no, this generation will do it. us policy is the key. how do you think a us and iran rapprochement will affect the israel/palestine coonflict? The Camp David accords were more than a generation ago. camp david was between the us and iran?stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
