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billvon 3,006
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>laugh at juctice, at truth, laugh at an existance of war, pain,
>death, pollution and recource problems.
D-Day: War's over, man. Wormer dropped the big one.
Bluto: Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
Otter: Germans?
Boon: Forget it, he's rolling.
Bluto: And it ain't over now. 'Cause when the goin' gets tough... the tough get goin'! Who's with me? Let's go!
Bluto: What the fuck happened to the Delta I used to know? Where's the spirit? Where's the guts, huh? This could be the greatest night of our lives, but you're gonna let it be the worst. "Ooh, we're afraid to go with you Bluto, we might get in trouble." Well just kiss my ass from now on! Not me! I'm not gonna take this. Wormer, he's a dead man! Marmalard, dead! Niedermeyer...
Otter: Dead! Bluto's right. We gotta take these bastards. Now we could do it with conventional weapons that could take years and cost millions of lives. No, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part.
Bluto: We're just the guys to do it.
D-Day: Let's do it.
Bluto: Let's do it!
>death, pollution and recource problems.
D-Day: War's over, man. Wormer dropped the big one.
Bluto: Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
Otter: Germans?
Boon: Forget it, he's rolling.
Bluto: And it ain't over now. 'Cause when the goin' gets tough... the tough get goin'! Who's with me? Let's go!
Bluto: What the fuck happened to the Delta I used to know? Where's the spirit? Where's the guts, huh? This could be the greatest night of our lives, but you're gonna let it be the worst. "Ooh, we're afraid to go with you Bluto, we might get in trouble." Well just kiss my ass from now on! Not me! I'm not gonna take this. Wormer, he's a dead man! Marmalard, dead! Niedermeyer...
Otter: Dead! Bluto's right. We gotta take these bastards. Now we could do it with conventional weapons that could take years and cost millions of lives. No, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part.
Bluto: We're just the guys to do it.
D-Day: Let's do it.
Bluto: Let's do it!
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ou should be ashamed of yourseves, you will be, but how long until you admit it?
Move to America or shut the fuck up!
*I am not afraid of dying... I am afraid of missing life.*
----Disclaimer: I don't know shit about skydiving.----
----Disclaimer: I don't know shit about skydiving.----
jakee 1,500
QuoteTo convict these suspect it has to be proven beyond reasonable doubt that they actually are responsable. The implications in this are huge, the opposition to the official story is massive in new york alone 10's of thousands of people heve signed petitions for a new investigation.
You people are a bit slow at putting 2 and 2 together so i'll spell it out for you;
This trial being public in NYC = a new investigation.
simple, a public investigation.
there are many doers, making postive, intellegent, and tactical steps towards this truth.
You really do think your wingnut "truth" organisations had something to do with that, don't you? Wake up call, it's nothing to do with them! The trial wont blow any holes in the "official theory" that planes brought down the towers.
You say you're only reporting what AE911 truth has told you - can't you see that you're being strung along? "We will present to congress on 9/11 and the truth will finally come out... I mean we will present sometime later in September... OK, it will be October... Uh, I mean when we've got 1,000 signatures... Hey wait, forget about that, there's a trial, look, we did that, now just you wait for the truth to come out!"
Do you want to have an ideagasm?
Quoteif you read a little more
And here lies where your problem is. The only thing that you have personally done is read and as we all know, everything on the internet and what people say is true and indisputable……………NOT. You have NEVER been able or responded to my challenge to you and it still stands!
I was personally there as part of the USAR response.
You were NOT.
I am an engineer.
You are NOT.
I was part of the team that took hazardous material, air and metallurgy samples.
You were NOT.
I was there and saw the real time raw data coming from the EPA monitoring equipment.
You were NOT.
Our 72 person response team (one of 10 there) is comprised of structural engineers, hazardous materials specialist, doctors, technical search specialist, heavy rescue specialist, communications, logistics etc.
You are NOT any of these!
None of our specialist that was physically there saw anything to support what you have claimed.
In conclusion, the ONLY word that consistently describes your participation, education, experience and knowledge to the WTC response is……………………… NOT!!!
pirana 0
QuoteI don't only think these people did it, i know it,
That line points to the power of your delsion.
Saying you know indicates you feel you have irrefutable evidence. Exactly what is the evidence you have that proves what you feel you know?
If your evidence consists of the kind of absolute BS and outright lies contained in Loose Change and the like (many of which the producers themselves have now admitted to) then you are seriously deluded.
I suppose when those guys have been forced to rescind enough of what they have said (IMO we are past that point), then they automatically become part of the cover-up also?
Pointing to the relatively small amount that is not known and claiming that as evidence for some outrageously outlandish alternative for which not one shred of actual evidence exists is simply silly.
So again, what is it exactly that you "know" that supports your claim.
" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley
pirana 0
QuoteSo...they DIDN'T have evidence to give to Congress, like you kept telling us OVER and OVER they did? Perish the thought!
Silly man. CTer's deal in emotion - not evidence.
" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley
rhys 0
QuoteAnd I've challenged you SEVERAL times to answer specific questions, which you haven't. Shall I post them again?
Your 'science' has been refuted over and over again.
refuting and refuting, hmm who can win the refuting war, I'll answer your questions, again, on one condition, you have to refute in order the the answers I give you and vice versa, no jumping back to the same question.
All of the official stories have been rebutted, the rebulttles have been rebutted, so be aware that you can be all confused like you usually get, don't answer with a question keep it in order of sequence and take it seriously.
and answer with an answer!
QuoteWell, except when we do something you don't like, then we're greedy cunts.
Nah when your party is in power, accordingto you, they are doing every thing right and can't make a mistake because they are the 'administration'. Now that your opposition is in power, you condem things thay do, and literally hold back the progress of the human race because of selfishness, and arrogance.
You neo cons actually would like to believe that the rest of the world wants you to be to military leaders, you are not, you want us to embrace your neo cunt 'american century' because you think it is good for you.
These actions are selfish and i'll stand by my statement, those of your Ilk are greedy, selfish arrogant, naive, and outright dangerous.
Those of my ilk are caring, sharing, openminded, informed, and for safety and peace.
You want war and death and further danger, disguised as security...
It really is a no brainer mike but you send me your questions, and yes i'll ansewer it from other people recources if i cannot spit it out in my own words.
your fuckwit greedy leaders (repubican neo cunts) have pretty much lied themselves into a hole.
"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix
billvon 3,006
Your one warning. If you cannot reply without those sort of attacks, then avoid replying.
rhys 0
QuoteYour one warning. If you cannot reply without those sort of attacks, then avoid replying.
which in particular?
Please use the same rules for both sides of the argument.
"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix
rhys 0
QuoteObama closed Gitmo when?
He hasn't, it was high on the adgenda for his campain, and this trial is a statement to his followers that he is being serious about changing the attitude of america.
It is brilliant, the opposition to GTMO will be unequalled once the publice find out in detail how these suspects have been treated.
If they are admitting to it wholeheartedly, what is the problem? what is the point of torture?
"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix
rhys 0
QuoteThat line points to the power of your delsion.
No it points out my willingness to stand by my beliefs, and not just go with the flow.
Intellectual types like yourself to dat have had to agree with the official story as to not look like ass hats, you probably dn't know the ins and outs of it as you have stuck to the origional, hypothesis, excluding any other possibility.
Soo you will be faced with a challenge, to keep your integrety, you cannot refute physics and its basic laws,
According to NIST, you somehow can, but this is only perception.
QuoteSaying you know indicates you feel you have irrefutable evidence. Exactly what is the evidence you have that proves what you feel you know?
If you were open minded enough to read the links and statments that I have poseted you would have been able to make a more detailed question here, as you would be able to answer that question for yourself, whether or not you agree.
There are 250 or so posts so far, they are there for a reason.
QuoteIf your evidence consists of the kind of absolute BS and outright lies contained in Loose Change and the like (many of which the producers themselves have now admitted to) then you are seriously deluded.
Loose change is a very small part of this argument, Most of my beliefs are now based on the scientific evidence that has been produces scientifically without assumtion. For some reason you guys stick to loose change and forget about the 1000's of professionals that have demanded another investigation.
We have all been given our wish, it is now up to the american legal system.
"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix
rhys 0
QuoteOur 72 person response team (one of 10 there) is comprised of structural engineers, hazardous materials specialist, doctors, technical search specialist, heavy rescue specialist, communications, logistics etc.
You are NOT any of these!
And you don't acknowlegde the thermate, you don't want to look, the NIST are 'experts' in the subject yet they refuse to look, what kind of investigation does not look at all possibilities?
Yet we have guys liike you caliming to be experts, saying that computers and carpet can burn at temperatures not normally achievable in such conditions, you're self proclaimed experts say that moulten aluminium just above melting temperature is glowing orange and that organic material can freely mix with the moulten liquid.
Too many excused not to look and no looking. you are not the only ones who took samples, they are there.
QuoteI was part of the team that took hazardous material, air and metallurgy samples.
so did you test the 'hot spots' can you tell us what NIST couldn't or should i say, wouldn't?
Did you test what you wanted or what you were told?
Being in the team you could shed some light on the subject, or are you going to refuse that the hot spots were there at all, Like NIST, who must have taken your results into consideration.
For a start tell us about the hot spots?
"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix
jakee 1,500
QuoteLoose change is a very small part of this argument, Most of my beliefs are now based on the scientific evidence that has been produces scientifically without assumtion.
No they're not. You're simply not in a position to judge whether what you're being presented with is 'good' science.
Your beliefs are based on your intitial, untrained, laymans response to the collapse, on being taken in by slick presentation of 'science' from these groups who agree with your initial response and on your desire for the conspiracy to be true.
A 9/11 neo-con conspiracy has become the lynchpin of your entire worldview and the reference point for your interpretation of all global politics and the longer you've believed in it the more important it has become. That would be a painful thing to give up.
Do you want to have an ideagasm?
the odd bit with your recent attacks is that you think all 9/11 'deniers' are neocons, when it's pretty obvious that your opposition in SC covers the entire political spectrum.
And get those final signatures already! (snicker)
And get those final signatures already! (snicker)
That is quite a post coming from one who refuses to acknowledge the conclusions of highly skilled and trained experts, many of whom would just love to pin the attack on Bush, who have independently come to the same conclusion.
(BTW, the themite/thermate residue theory is a crock of used toilet water. Those same residues can be found in the remnants of virtually any large fire that consumed a wide variety of materials.)
(BTW, the themite/thermate residue theory is a crock of used toilet water. Those same residues can be found in the remnants of virtually any large fire that consumed a wide variety of materials.)
HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.
billvon 3,006
>saying that computers and carpet can burn at temperatures
>not normally achievable in such conditions . . .
Correct. You can melt steel with nothing more than coal and air (under the right conditions.) And coal, of course, is nothing more than carbon.
>you're self proclaimed experts say that moulten aluminium just
>above melting temperature is glowing orange
No one claimed that "aluminum just above melting temperature is glowing orange."
>and that organic material can freely mix with the moulten liquid.
?? Of course it can. Drop some plastic into some molten metal; see what happens.
>not normally achievable in such conditions . . .
Correct. You can melt steel with nothing more than coal and air (under the right conditions.) And coal, of course, is nothing more than carbon.
>you're self proclaimed experts say that moulten aluminium just
>above melting temperature is glowing orange
No one claimed that "aluminum just above melting temperature is glowing orange."
>and that organic material can freely mix with the moulten liquid.
?? Of course it can. Drop some plastic into some molten metal; see what happens.
rhys 0
QuoteNo they're not. You're simply not in a position to judge whether what you're being presented with is 'good' science.
The Archtects instiute of america, is not using good science?
explain, archictects build buildings, they know how to stop them from falling down, so they know the mechaninics of thier strength.
I can't believe how you and mike and your mates can palm off other peoples expertise as crap when you are just SPG's your selves (self proclaimed Guru's).
QuoteA 9/11 neo-con conspiracy has become the lynchpin of your entire worldview and the reference point for your interpretation of all global politics and the longer you've believed in it the more important it has become. That would be a painful thing to give up.
Now you are showing your arrogance, I know The USA is not the be all and end all.
But I have recently understood the gameplan of the Neo cons, it is world domination, in the form of military controll.
This may sound to many like a paranoid assumtion, but it is spelled out in [url"http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm]'This website'[/url], by those that are impicated in this conspiracy and everything adds up to the neo cons being cheating criminals, it is their greed that drives them but it is also thier grred that will convict them.
We have more problems than america and its foreign policies, but everywhere this american foregn policy is meddleing with the livlihoods of lives those it has no right to disrupt.
"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix
mnealtx 0
QuoteCorrect. You can melt steel with nothing more than coal and air (under the right conditions.) And coal, of course, is nothing more than carbon.
Been there, done that - forge welding is fun! Hot, sweaty work...but fun!
Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706
QuoteThe Archtects instiute of america, is not using good science?
Dunno. Please post link. Google did return anything for "Architects Institute of America".
HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.
QuoteQuoteThe Archtects instiute of america, is not using good science?
Dunno. Please post link. Google did return anything for "Architects Institute of America".
Check again tomorrow. I'll put up the Wiki page this evening. Lucky will help out.
normiss 806
They're there:
www.aia.org
Just do a search on THEIR website for "911" or "World Trade Center"!Maybe them there guilty conspiracy bitches done hidden them there secrets.
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