revisiting 911 truth in the Obama days...

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As far Im aware the NISt report was commisoned by the US government and hence was delivered to them rather than a journal as is always the case. I dont think the Warren Commision was published in Nature or Sceince either. But that doesnt mean there was no peer review process.
If you look at the list of names who signed off on the report, you'll see the 13 lead investigators:
S Shyan Sunuder Sc.d
Richard G Gann Phd
William L Grosshandler Phd
HS LEw Phd Pe
Fahim Sadek Phd
Frank W Gayle phd
John L Gross Phd Pe
Therese P McAllister Phd Pe
Jason D Averill
J Randall Lawson
Harol E Nelson
Stephen A Cauffman

And thats just the lead investigators. There are 60 Nist tecnhical staff with their names on the report and another dozen experts and consulatnts .

Are you seriosuly suggesting all of these poeple were paid off by the government to lie about the murder of almost 3,000 civilians and not one has blabbed?

As said above the NIst report was paid for the governenment and so the appropriate forum for its distribution was back to the government, the press and the people . But you fail to care that there are many many peer reviewed articles that agree with the official version of events. Meanwhile there are 0 peer reviewed articles that back a conspiracy. Seems like you are clutching at straws.


The question I posted are relvant because in issues of both science and law its the totality of evidence that counts. Not the desperate search for one unexplained anomaly. The big picutre is incredibly obvious: AQ hijacked 4 aircrafts on 9/11 and crashed them as part of a suicide mission against the USA.

Ok you said you think one story is more plausible than the other, so which is it and what evidfence do you have?

You are right the Bush regime was succesful in painting "the ragheads" with the same brush, but they were not as succesful as they would have liked.Im sure they would have liked UN approval, they didnt get it , Im sure they would have liked a multi naitonal coalition like the 1st gulf war, they didnt get it. We know in retrospect they got the support of the US people. But at the time, why would they have risked it ? Why not just put a few iraqis on the list of hijackers and secure everything they wanted? The answer is incredibly obvious becuase the Bush regime did not plan 9/11.

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Are you seriosuly suggesting all of these poeple were paid off by the government to lie about the murder of almost 3,000 civilians and not one has blabbed?

I'm suggesting that the report is incomplete and not to the standards that would normally be required for such a catastrophie.

September 11 2009 is here tomorrow.

Everyone who 'can see' is sick of hanging back and waiting.

Fortunately good old Charlie Sheen has stepped up to the plate already, Richard Gage and Steven Jones are gathering thier recources and a conglomerate of other serious and qualified lobbyists are in tow. The congress is not going to know what hit them and Obama will have to comment.

Then we all get to see who's side he is on once and for all.

It is going to be interesting to see the turn of events over the next couple of months!

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[Rookie120 0]

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Everyone who 'can see' is sick of hanging back and waiting.

Fortunately good old Charlie Sheen has stepped up to the plate already,

STOP! STOP! STOP! We really have to listen now becuase CHARLIE SHEEN thinks something happened. This half ass of an actor who couldnt complete rehap god knows how many times has the answers so we all should listen to him.

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

[DSE 5]

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Everyone who 'can see' is sick of hanging back and waiting.

Fortunately good old Charlie Sheen has stepped up to the plate already,

STOP! STOP! STOP! We really have to listen now becuase CHARLIE SHEEN thinks something happened. This half ass of an actor who couldnt complete rehap god knows how many times has the answers so we all should listen to him.

Charlie Sheen doesn't say he "thinks something happened" but rather says he represents the families of those killed in the attack, and that they have questions that haven't been answered. There is no doubt that there are still questions; why does it matter whether Sheen is "half-assed" or fully credible? Who he is doesn't change the questions.
If you've read the 9/11 commission report, there are many holes and half-answers, suppositions regardless of which side you're on.

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If you've read the 9/11 commission report, there are many holes and half-answers, suppositions regardless of which side you're on.

exactly, that description does not fit in the 'beyond reasonable doubt' category.

A new in vestigation is needed and a new investigation will happen. it is getting much closer now...

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[Rstanley0312 1]

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Everyone who 'can see' is sick of hanging back and waiting.

Fortunately good old Charlie Sheen has stepped up to the plate already,

STOP! STOP! STOP! We really have to listen now becuase CHARLIE SHEEN thinks something happened. This half ass of an actor who couldnt complete rehap god knows how many times has the answers so we all should listen to him.

Easy...... "half ass of an actor"? Apparently you are not familiar with good ol' Chuck Sheen's "full" body of work..... have you never watched "The Wraith"?



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[rhys 0]

Bing!


Now I want to hear some more tin foil hat jokes from you dousche bags. The truth is not so far away now.

The evidence grows, the truth is in the air, the trials are going to be public, the cunts are sweating, and it has all been documented. The research has been officially done by the truthers, and a complete embaressment half ass job from the official conspiracy theory.

My birthday is on friday the 20th of november, last year i finally got a NIST report that was supposedly 'final'.

They admitted free fall speed of the bulidings finally, as they cannot re-write physics, no matter how much cash they have got! This gave scientists something official to refute, I bet they (the neo-cunts) thought it might have blown over by now, and the peer reviewed journals keep coming in.

This year we get an announcement that the supposed self proclaimed 'mastermind' and 'posse' to the 911 attacks will be held to trial in New York city.

These poeple may or may not be the people behind it, they have admitted it yes, but do you believe the first wierdo that cough torture cough 'comes forward' to claim the jihad victory?

The japanese government are openly discussing the Bush administrations criminal acts and thier nation is behind them, I have just helped donate to the cause by chiping in for the next freedom of informaition act applcation to NIST and other government agencies by AE911 thruth.

The truth movement is getting stronger and stronger, with millions of people now behind it.

HA HA HA


I know you will all still have the same point of view at this stage as you have to date (for the most part), but you lemmings will be quite embaressed and ashamed (one would hope) when you discover the fools your corrupt leaders have been taking you for. The denial stage will set in soon, how long acceptance will take is yet to be seen?

Just like the iraq war (wmd's sham) thing it will leak out in dribs and drabs over years to come as not to 'disrupt society' too much with the shock, and slowly you will all try to change your standpoint, but this wonderful archive is here to remind you of how blind you have all been.

The media are going to keep putting thier feet in thier mouths as they also try to portray themselves as legitemate and unbiased whilst trying to prop up the adgenda of thier boss man.

watch this interesting peice;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7whLCignUy4&feature=player_embedded

The expert knows the truth, the right just want the trials to be in war crimes courts because they want it all behind closed doors. that is not in the best interests of the obama administration so, gee, I guess the good ol bad old days are finally coming to an end for the culprits.

Lies can only be supported by lies, and it takes many lies to support one major lie, On 9/11 there were many major lies, it has taken literally thousands of lies to keep this under the radar, but now it is too hard for the assholes to hide, too many coincedental lies, and far, far too much evidence, official, scientifically proven evidence.

Obama is a smart man, he obviously knows the truth and will let 'nature take it's course' one the trial opens.

The best political tactic yet for the left.

Convicting the neo cons without ever having to implicate them at all personally, is brilliant!

so long suckers!

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[jakee 1,500]

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The evidence grows, the truth is in the air, the trials are going to be public,

Who's trials?

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The truth movement is getting stronger and stronger, with millions of people now behind it.

That could be the tagline for a Young Earth Creationist advert.

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Just like the iraq war (wmd's sham) thing it will leak out in dribs and drabs over years to come as not to 'disrupt society' too much with the shock, and slowly you will all try to change your standpoint, but this wonderful archive is here to remind you of how blind you have all been.

So there won't be any kind of public exposure of the truth that you promised us would happen this September, and then again in October? That's in the archives, and you seemed so sure...

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Obama is a smart man, he obviously knows the truth and will let 'nature take it's course' one the trial opens.

What trial, the trial of the Khalid Mohammed et al. in NYC? What are you going to say once 'nature' takes its course and the guilty verdict comes back for those guys, with nothing at all coming to light during the trial that will link them to a Neo-Con plot?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Bing!


Now I want to hear some more tin foil hat jokes from you dousche bags. The truth is not so far away now.

The evidence grows, the truth is in the air, the trials are going to be public, the cunts are sweating, and it has all been documented. The research has been officially done by the truthers, and a complete embaressment half ass job from the official conspiracy theory.

My birthday is on friday the 20th of november, last year i finally got a NIST report that was supposedly 'final'.

They admitted free fall speed of the bulidings finally, as they cannot re-write physics, no matter how much cash they have got! This gave scientists something official to refute, I bet they (the neo-cunts) thought it might have blown over by now, and the peer reviewed journals keep coming in.

This year we get an announcement that the supposed self proclaimed 'mastermind' and 'posse' to the 911 attacks will be held to trial in New York city.

These poeple may or may not be the people behind it, they have admitted it yes, but do you believe the first wierdo that cough torture cough 'comes forward' to claim the jihad victory?

The japanese government are openly discussing the Bush administrations criminal acts and thier nation is behind them, I have just helped donate to the cause by chiping in for the next freedom of informaition act applcation to NIST and other government agencies by AE911 thruth.

The truth movement is getting stronger and stronger, with millions of people now behind it.

HA HA HA


I know you will all still have the same point of view at this stage as you have to date (for the most part), but you lemmings will be quite embaressed and ashamed (one would hope) when you discover the fools your corrupt leaders have been taking you for. The denial stage will set in soon, how long acceptance will take is yet to be seen?

Just like the iraq war (wmd's sham) thing it will leak out in dribs and drabs over years to come as not to 'disrupt society' too much with the shock, and slowly you will all try to change your standpoint, but this wonderful archive is here to remind you of how blind you have all been.

The media are going to keep putting thier feet in thier mouths as they also try to portray themselves as legitemate and unbiased whilst trying to prop up the adgenda of thier boss man.

watch this interesting peice;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7whLCignUy4&feature=player_embedded

The expert knows the truth, the right just want the trials to be in war crimes courts because they want it all behind closed doors. that is not in the best interests of the obama administration so, gee, I guess the good ol bad old days are finally coming to an end for the culprits.

Lies can only be supported by lies, and it takes many lies to support one major lie, On 9/11 there were many major lies, it has taken literally thousands of lies to keep this under the radar, but now it is too hard for the assholes to hide, too many coincedental lies, and far, far too much evidence, official, scientifically proven evidence.

Obama is a smart man, he obviously knows the truth and will let 'nature take it's course' one the trial opens.

The best political tactic yet for the left.

Convicting the neo cons without ever having to implicate them at all personally, is brilliant!

so long suckers!

so you really think america organised the murder of its own citizens? you really think that?

[Belgian_Draft 0]

News Flash: The truth is out. It has been out. In fact, it has been out for several years.
Ironic, isn't it, that a group of stupid people who call themselves "truthers" won't believe the truth.

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[timmyfitz 0]

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So there won't be any kind of public exposure of the truth that you promised us would happen this September, and then again in October? That's in the archives, and you seemed so sure...

I've ask this question of rhys a couple of different times but no response. So where is the info that you proclaimed would come out in September, then revised to October, rhys?

[DanG 1]

The earth shattering info is always just around the corner. The payoff is always so very close at hand. You can almost taste it, just wait a little longer, invest a liittle more...

That's how confidence schemes work.

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[billvon 3,006]

>So where is the info that you proclaimed would come out in September,
>then revised to October, rhys?

Probably in the same place that Bill Cole's meteor is. It was supposed to wipe us out this October if memory serves. But it was apparently delayed.

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so you really think america organised the murder of its own citizens? you really think that?

Id dnon't think america is to blame, a few rogues are to blame, america is subdued by a very trick decades long ploy.

I don't only think these people did it, i know it, they might as well have admitted it with thier actions and documentation.

But the majority of amerca still 'doesn't want to believe'.

i bet obama has spet time talking with japanese governemt, they arevery concerned with the (/11 cover up, quite aware of it and are publicly discussing it.

They are not the only ones.

The majority of asswipes on here that refuse to beleive, have made so many comments on how ludicrous it is to think like do that it is going to take some denial period before acceptance takes place, but i assure you it is going to take place.

in short my answer is yes, but i don't balme america anymore as Obama represent america now and he is obviously not in on it!

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[mnealtx 0]

Yeah, yeah whatever... so where's this evidence they were going to give to Congress?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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An act such as you suggest could only be carried out with the help of literally hundreds of people, including many who lost family that day.
Name just ONE who has stepped forward to spill the beans on his/her buddies. Just one.

And that is assuming, for the sake of argument, that all the stupid bullshit you believe is really true even though every single bit of it has been disproved many times by many different parties.

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I've ask this question of rhys a couple of different times but no response. So where is the info that you proclaimed would come out in September, then revised to October, Rhys?

I have simply forwarded the information i have had at hand.

Their goal was to have 1000 architectural and engineering professionals sign thier petition when they submit it, they currently have 966 and counting.

They first said it would be september, then october, and now in november Obama has announced the trials are to be held in new york, as long as this happens, then we have pretty much achieved our goal of an independant invrstigation, or at least acknowledgement of the studies already completed and documented as journals and peer reviewed.

You don't think Obama has not already talked to them or at least takien thier stance on board? you don't think he is dubious of the previous administrations antics?

Closing Gitmo was his way of displaying his desire to expose these assholes, otherwise he could have just used the set up (gitmo0 for his own use, he is better than that.

You all strongly disagree with the scientists take on the subject, strongly agree with the usnscientific NIST report and this attitude is mainstream, try to imagine how hard of a decision it owuld be for these first few hundred professionals that decided to sign the petition, the opposition from meat head morons that simply don't want to beleive the truth as it is too audacious to comprehend for most...

the freedom of information act coupled with this trial along with the evidence so far will prove that these suspects did not do it, you all are aware that Bush and co will stand trial if the trial is public, the right are saying that, and using it as a reason to use the military court behind closed doors...

They must be idiots! the denail stage is we and truly set in, it is so obvious now.

Now the focus from the right is to hang these guys for the 9/11 attacks and be done with it, not acknowledge that they were tortured by the main suspects, and with very limited evidence to say that they had any hand in it whotsoever.

As lond as hery have a mohammed in thier name (the most common name n the world) and they say that they did it, then they did?

Fopr fucks sake america, you are getting a chance to see your jusctice system work, but you want to hang the first suspect to hide the aweful truth.

ou should be ashamed of yourseves, you will be, but how long until you admit it?

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[billvon 3,006]

>but how long until you admit it?

Well, we're still covering up the truth about the Kennedy assassinations, the faked moon landings, the aliens at Roswell and the US staging the attack on Pearl Harbor, so it will probably be decades.

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An act such as you suggest could only be carried out with the help of literally hundreds of people, including many who lost family that day.
Name just ONE who has stepped forward to spill the beans on his/her buddies. Just one.

No doubt - that, and conveniently missing the fact that a government that would kill 3k innocent citizens in a single day would NOT get rid of the 'loose screw' nutjobs.

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And that is assuming, for the sake of argument, that all the stupid bullshit you believe is really true even though every single bit of it has been disproved many times by many different parties.

Oh no... WE'RE the ones in denial...didn't you know?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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An act such as you suggest could only be carried out with the help of literally hundreds of people, including many who lost family that day.

Are you saying the cia could never exist or operate secretly, becasue too many peope woud talk?

There are many secrets in this world, suspects if held to trial and found guilty would be killed of imprisoned for life... would you speak up?

think about it.

Stopp thinking about alternative possibilities and look at you evidence people.

Do you want the trials to be public? do you want to know what happened or would you rather just go on with your lives and llive in lies and danger.

The neo cons are putting you all in danger, war =m anger, anger = revenge, revenge = violence against you country, when it is only a handful of cons that are responsable, you are all taking the wrap for these cunts, and you are all stomping on the graves of those that dies on that day and in the resulting conflicts that are still taking place.

I am not going to solve this, I am not taking credit for the hard work and dedication of the brave and strong people that are doing all the hard work.

I have a handuld of self proclaimed intellectuals that are in denial and I am simply helping you see your faulted viewpoints as the problem that they actually are.

Once peopl like you will accept this then we can move on.

You are not being patriotic like you all made yourselves out to be 4 years ago when you supported the republicans, you are being treasonous now as you all call Obama and nigger and disregard his position as luck or cheating...

Now you all have to take a long hard look at yourselves and ask, do I want the real truth, or will i accept some half assed lie as the truth simply to have false colsure and feel like i was dong the right thing all along?

i bet most of you go for the latter option!

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

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An act such as you suggest could only be carried out with the help of literally hundreds of people, including many who lost family that day.

Are you saying the cia could never exist or operate secretly, becasue too many peope woud talk?

Yup - especially seeing all the prep work that would have to be done - you know, partial destruction of walls / columns, emplacement of a few thousand pounds of changes, several miles of wiring.....

All of the above, by the way, that you STILL can't explain.

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Stopp thinking about alternative possibilities and look at you evidence people.

We have - that's why we laugh whenever you bring this crap up.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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eah, yeah whatever... so where's this evidence they were going to give to Congress?

look who that cat dragged in, and asking the same old question that had been answerd on so many occasions..

Here is some of it,

http://www.journalof911studies.com/

other evidence is not public yet.

I suppose you think the trials will be as simple as a guilty verdict based on tha guilty plea?

thats what you want isn't it, you want that done in secret at gtmo too don't you? what is it that you don't want public, you and your mates.

You don't want to face the facts, that is the truth, you want to live a lie.

America is broke!!! you cant afford your neo-con pipe dreams, it won't happen, the walls are crumbling down around you. But you are syuck in some mini america on the other side of the world clinging to your lies.

Have you made many local friends mike, or are they all to foreign for you to acknowledge?

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[mnealtx 0]

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eah, yeah whatever... so where's this evidence they were going to give to Congress?

look who that cat dragged in, and asking the same old question that had been answerd on so many occasions..

No, it hasn't - that's the problem.

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Here is some of it,

http://www.journalof911studies.com/

Sorry, your "science was my favorite subject in high school" website isn't evidence.

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other evidence is not public yet.

So...they DIDN'T have evidence to give to Congress, like you kept telling us OVER and OVER they did? Perish the thought!

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I suppose you think the trials will be as simple as a guilty verdict based on tha guilty plea?

WTF does this have to do with the 'evidence' the Troofers were supposed to have given to Congress? Quit changing the subject.

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You don't want to face the facts, that is the truth, you want to live a lie.

What facts? They (the Troofers) haven't shown any yet!!

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America is broke!!! you cant afford your neo-con pipe dreams, it won't happen, the walls are crumbling down around you. But you are syuck in some mini america on the other side of the world clinging to your lies.

And again...what does this have to do with the supposed 'evidence' the Troofers were supposedly going to present to Congress?

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Have you made many local friends mike, or are they all to foreign for you to acknowledge?

Whatsa matter, rhys... getting a bit insecure because you can't answer the question, so you attack me to try to change the subject?

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Indeed - we do that quite a lot, reading your posts.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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Are you saying the cia could never exist or operate secretly, becasue too many peope woud talk?

If the CIA ever simultaneously destroyed two of the worlds tallest buildings, side by side, full of people, then the answer is no.

You speak of wanting people to open their eyes and look at the "evidence". Well, we have. Your so-called evidence is not evidence at all but rather misunderstanding and ignorance. You speak of the truthers having almost 1000 signatures from achitects and engineers who say 9/11 was an inside job, yet you ignore the architects and engineers who outnumber them by two, three, four or more magnitudes of order.
Every single piece of "evidence" you have put on this forum has been shown to be false" yet you choose to believe the opinion of self educated prophets over the opinion of those who have a real education and experience to back it up.

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Their goal was to have 1000 architectural and engineering professionals sign thier petition when they submit it, they currently have 966 and counting.

They first said it would be september, then october, and now in november Obama has announced the trials are to be held in new york, as long as this happens, then we have pretty much achieved our goal of an independant invrstigation, or at least acknowledgement of the studies already completed and documented as journals and peer reviewed.

I think it's hilarious that you think the decision to try killers for their crimes is validation of your crackpot theory that they didn't do it.

Just as funny that you claim they won't release this damning evidence until they can get another 34 people to sign. You promise us the proof, and you can't get (or make up) .3% of the signatures?