revisiting 911 truth in the Obama days...

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Hey Rhys. In the midst of all this ad hominem and rhetoric I'm giving you the opportunity to post a link to audio of the demolition charges going off in building 7. Still looking for that.

Oh yoe mean the building that fell down hours afterwards when everything and everyone was cleared out of ground zero?

nice try homeboy, how about you use your eyes?

or how about showing me where the precedent was set for a freefalling steel framed high rises? why you beleive they can fall so quickly and how the problem has been addressed so next time a city has large fire we dont see, buildings freefalling into thier own footprnts left right and centre after a few hors of office fires...



think long and hard while watching footage of the building coming down.

I have a full understanding of what happened. You've been saying that it was demolished. You've also said that there was no visible proof that it was going to come down. I posted two quotes from first responders commenting on how the building was showing visible damage and was going to collapse.

So I ask you, WHERE IS THE AUDIO OF THE DEMOLITION CHARGES GOING OFF THAT YOU SAY IS SO NECESSARY FOR A STEEL STRUCTURE LIKE THIS TO COME DOWN????????????

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or how about showing me where the precedent was set for a freefalling steel framed high rises? why you beleive they can fall so quickly and how the problem has been addressed so next time a city has large fire we dont see, buildings freefalling into thier own footprnts left right and centre after a few hors of office fires...

Doesn't it bother you that you have to lie in order to make your points? Is the fact that you have to completely misrepresent the cause of Building 7's collapse not a cause of concern for you?

You know as well as I do that Building 7 suffered much more damage than simple fires and yet you still feel the need to post these ridiculous "fire alone" strawman arguments.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Do you realize you have lost any sense of reason you may have had and are now just rambling about anything except the issues?

Maybe in your world, but don't say I didn't tell ya.

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Doesn't it bother you that you have to lie in order to make your points? Is the fact that you have to completely misrepresent the cause of Building 7's collapse not a cause of concern for you?

You know as well as I do that Building 7 suffered much more damage than simple fires and yet you still feel the need to post these ridiculous "fire alone" strawman arguments.

I never said fire alone, the was certainly damage, but the main catalyst was fore according to nist, not damage. neither the damage observed nor the fire or the combination of the two would make it possible for the building to collapse like that.

Straight down rapid onset with freefall acceleration, through the path of what should have been the greatest resistance.

not possible, quite simple to compreend but continuosly considered a conspiracy theory.

science gets ignored by the wankers (in denial) that defend the official story as though it was some kind of religon.

The evidence is continualy ignored without comment from the authorities and when someone pursues questioning the official stroy they are ridiculed and called unpatriotic. tehy are compared to extreme fringe terrorists for simply showing some reason.

You all know your government has corruption, you all know your local authorities have corruption, you all know that where you find money and power you will find corruption, yet you consider these dubious and concealed 'investigations' to be bonafide and complete even though they are blatantly flawed.

That is weak!

That is meek and apathetic.

That is unpatriotic.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

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I advocate a strict policy of no more feeding of this particular troll. All in favor, please do not reply, no matter how tempting.

It is your decision to participate in this discussion, you may not like what is being discussed and it may be a little too much for you to admit, but you are being seriously duped. Your media is controlled by the very corporatons that own it and use it to manipulte the opinion of the masses.

9/11 has exposed this more than any other single event.

It is called marketing, it is human nature and there will always be people doing bad things and corruption will always be rife.

It is whether you choose to ignore it or be aware of it that determines how it will affect you.

going with the flow is much easier though, isn't it.

See ya

Its been nice having you here, and I bet you're back soon!

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

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I never said fire alone,

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so next time a city has large fire we dont see, buildings freefalling into thier own footprnts left right and centre after a few hors of office fires...

Ridiculous strawman.

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science gets ignored by the wankers (in denial) that defend the official story as though it was some kind of religon.

Oh this is beautiful. The guy that says he doesn't need to know the data to draw a conclusion is accusing others of ignoring science? Perfect.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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"I never said fire alone, the was certainly damage, but the main catalyst was fore according to nist, not damage. neither the damage observed nor the fire or the combination of the two would make it possible for the building to collapse like that. Straight down rapid onset with freefall acceleration, through the path of what should have been the greatest resistance. not possible, quite simple to compreend but continuosly considered a conspiracy theory. science gets ignored by the wankers (in denial) that defend the official story as though it was some kind of religon. The evidence is continualy ignored without comment from the authorities and when someone pursues questioning the official stroy they are ridiculed and called unpatriotic. tehy are compared to extreme fringe terrorists for simply showing some reason. You all know your government has corruption, you all know your local authorities have corruption, you all know that where you find money and power you will find corruption, yet you consider these dubious and concealed 'investigations' to be bonafide and complete even though they are blatantly flawed. That is weak! That is meek and apathetic. That is unpatriotic. "

Guys Rhys is right. Stupit iz ass stewpid duz.
More to the point, skydiving has become a grandma sport. Dis MeY Kre8 cUnTroVeRsIE BUTT(Hee hee he said butt) Y iz my onion bad. Prazeing clunton would make freefaall buildings obvious to those woh understand simply fisics lyke me. BILLDINGS IN FREEFALL BILLDINGS IN FREEFALL BILLDINGS IN FREEFALL BILLDINGS IN FREEFALL.
Know wurries I nowe freefall, u'r loved won will be fin.

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Oh this is beautiful. The guy that says he doesn't need to know the data to draw a conclusion is accusing others of ignoring science? Perfect.

tee hee

I don't need to discuss the stats with you to know for myself that things do not collapse in such a manner without some sort of assitance.

I have seen the stats, you have seen them, the data from nist and david chandler were almost identical but they both determoned them different.

I know who sounds concise and thorough and i know who is incomplete and deceptive.

There is sufficient evidence to the contrary of the official hypothesis, and the is little or no explantion for many anomolies surrounding one event composed of many strategic conspiracies.

Questioning a conspiracy does not make one a conspiracy theorist, beleiving one does.

the official story is a conspiracy by definition, so it is those that beleive the al qaeda conspiracy that are the conspiracy theorists.

beleiveing common terrorists with less than average aptitude can infiltrate the entire security of the United states of america... look at the evidence and it is easy to tell the official story is bullshit, it always has been, it always will be. Zthe truth exists and plenty know the truth.

people are too scared, to discuss the subject and it intrigues many an d it is taboo to include on MSM any possible alternative. The MSM actually strategically targets individuals in the truth movement and portrays them as fringe extreme crazies and ignore the whistleblowers, victims families, first reponders, architects, engineers, scholars, firefighters, pilots, the list goes on

Republican or Democrat they are all the same, they are puppets for the cororations the they own and that own them. they listen the what is said from above and disregard what they hear from below.

Lies become murder and treason and the lies become deeper.

Then we get where we are now.

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beleiveing common terrorists with less than average aptitude can infiltrate the entire security of the United states of america... look at the evidence and it is easy to tell the official story is bullshit, it always has been, it always will be. Zthe truth exists and plenty know the truth.

They hijacked some airliners. Are you saying you don't believe hijackings are possible?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Guys Rhys is right. Stupit iz ass stewpid duz. More to the point, skydiving has become a grandma sport. Dis MeY Kre8 cUnTroVeRsIE BUTT(Hee hee he said butt) Y iz my onion bad. Prazeing clunton would make freefaall buildings obvious to those woh understand simply fisics lyke me. BILLDINGS IN FREEFALL BILLDINGS IN FREEFALL BILLDINGS IN FREEFALL BILLDINGS IN FREEFALL. Know wurries I nowe freefall, u'r loved won will be fin.
I'm a swoooper,I'm a swoooper,
I'm a swoooper! U don't git it seppo.

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They hijacked some airliners. Are you saying you don't believe hijackings are possible?Crazy

If you listen to the pilots that have taken the time to consider the official story and check its consistency, you will see they are deeply skeptical of the liklihood that the hijckers would be capable of hitting the targets that they aparently manged to.

there are many quetions and they are all ignored and brushed off as crazy talk.

Gee what a free country america is.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

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The pilots that believe the conspiracy theory are sceptical. The ones that don't, aren't.

Besides, you said 'infiltrating the security of the United States'. They hijacked some airliners. Do you not believe hijackings are possible?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Hijackings certainly are possible as history will tell us, but stoving a commercial airliner into the pentagon when you can't even fly a C172 is damned near impossible.

not only getting through the defence, but actually hitting the building, flat and level?

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neither the damage observed nor the fire or the combination of the two would make it possible for the building to collapse like that.

Are you an engineer or physicist? Do you have some other level of expertise that allows you to make that call?

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Hijackings certainly are possible as history will tell us, but stoving a commercial airliner into the pentagon when you can't even fly a C172 is damned near impossible.

not only getting through the defence, but actually hitting the building, flat and level?

The hijackers had training in small aircraft. Professional airline pilots I know all say the same thing: A few hours in a small plane, a few hours in a sim and anyone can steer an ailiner into a building. Probably even you.
The aircraft did not hit flat and level. Both were in a descent and slightly banked.

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Hijackings certainly are possible as history will tell us, but stoving a commercial airliner into the pentagon when you can't even fly a C172 is damned near impossible.

not only getting through the defence, but actually hitting the building, flat and level?

And yet, your defense relies on pilots that can hit specific floors of the buildings and explosives that have to function PERFECTLY even after the plane strike/explosion, burning fuel, etc etc etc.

Oh, and the thousands of pounds of explosives and miles of wiring and dismantled walls/cut columns all have to be invisible, as well as the work crews for the weeks (if not months) it would take to put it all together.

Faced with all that, and you STILL believe that it happened just that way, and that the same gov't that would kill 3000+ of it's own citizens somehow wouldn't kill the "Loose Screws" crew.

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Holy fucking shit. Mnealtx and I agree.

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Are you an engineer or physicist? Do you have some other level of expertise that allows you to make that call?

Nope but I know of at least 1100 that do.

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>Hijackings certainly are possible as history will tell us, >but stoving a commercial airliner into the pentagon >when you can't even fly a C172 is damned near >impossible.

>not only getting through the defence, but actually >hitting the building(singular), flat and level?

The hijackers had training in small aircraft. Professional airline pilots I know all say the same thing: A few hours in a small plane, a few hours in a sim and anyone can steer an ailiner into a building. Probably even you.
The aircraft did not hit flat and level. Both were in a descent and slightly banked.

You sure do get your stories mixed up, I can't even take you seriously anymore.

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Nope but I know of at least 1100 that do.

These are the same 1100 unwilling to chip in $50 each to support the court case? By the way, where's that contact info I was asking for to send in my own money to support this? Oh yeah that's right, you said you wouldn't even support the conclusion of the court case.

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Are you an engineer or physicist? Do you have some other level of expertise that allows you to make that call?

Nope but I know of at least 1100 that do.

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>Hijackings certainly are possible as history will tell us, >but stoving a commercial airliner into the pentagon >when you can't even fly a C172 is damned near >impossible.

>not only getting through the defence, but actually >hitting the building(singular), flat and level?

The hijackers had training in small aircraft. Professional airline pilots I know all say the same thing: A few hours in a small plane, a few hours in a sim and anyone can steer an ailiner into a building. Probably even you.
The aircraft did not hit flat and level. Both were in a descent and slightly banked.

You sure do get your stories mixed up, I can't even take you seriously anymore.

Oh, you want to single out the Pentagon now? Why? Because it doesn't match your theory on the other aircraft?
Why do you think the hijackers couldn't fly a 172? Are you now claiming the flight schools they attended are also part of the big conspiracy? Don't you think if there was a conspiracy the leaders of it would have thought to arrange a "tragic accident" to eliminate anyone at the school who would have discredited their claims?

"Nope but I know of at least 1100 that do."
That's it? Of tens of millions of engineers around the world you can find only 1100 to back you up?

Why don't you start answering some of the questions put to you here instead of jumping from subject to subject to avoid them? Such as why doesn't siesmograph data from the time of the trade center collapses indicate the explosions you are so certain took place? Why, after almost 9 years, do we not yet have a single person to come forth and say they helped plan an/or execute the planting of explosives in the towers out of the hundreds of people it would have taken to do so?

Shroud Science. That's all you have and it isn't worth the ink needed to write it.

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Such as why doesn't siesmograph data from the time of the trade center collapses indicate the explosions you are so certain took place?

Because Rhys doesn't believe in seismography.

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Why, after almost 9 years, do we not yet have a single person to come forth and say they helped plan an/or execute the planting of explosives in the towers out of the hundreds of people it would have taken to do so?

Because the conspiracy, while somewhat obvious and incompent in its planning and execution, was absolutely perfect in its secrecy and cover-up.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Hijackings certainly are possible as history will tell us, but stoving a commercial airliner into the pentagon when you can't even fly a C172 is damned near impossible.

Like skydiving, the difficulty is in landing the canopy, not flying it. Raise of hands - who here, when first playing Flight Simulator in the early 80s, crashed into the John Hancock building within the first 30 minutes of play?

Uh, Rhys, people continue to bring guns onto airplanes, even post 9/11, without even intending to. They forget they had it in the briefcase, and the TSA folks forget to look for it. There was nothing impossible or even very difficult about what they did. Now it wouldn't work anymore, because the passengers no longer believe that compliance with hijackers pays any dividends. But in 2001? Certainly.

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This thread always makes me think of this comic:
Someone is wrong on the internet!

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Nobody is ever wrong on the net. There are only various degrees of rightness.
Unfortunately there are those whose rightness coefficient approaches negative infinity.

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Hijackings certainly are possible as history will tell us, but stoving a commercial airliner into the pentagon when you can't even fly a C172 is damned near impossible.

not only getting through the defence, but actually hitting the building, flat and level?

And yet, your defense relies on pilots that can hit specific floors of the buildings and explosives that have to function PERFECTLY even after the plane strike/explosion, burning fuel, etc etc etc.

Oh, and the thousands of pounds of explosives and miles of wiring and dismantled walls/cut columns all have to be invisible, as well as the work crews for the weeks (if not months) it would take to put it all together.

Faced with all that, and you STILL believe that it happened just that way, and that the same gov't that would kill 3000+ of it's own citizens somehow wouldn't kill the "Loose Screws" crew.

Exactly, I don't doubt that some people in the Gov would have no problem with killing or letting those poeple die. However the miles of wiring, the work involved alone make this nonsence. When you add to that the amountof people who would have had to have been invlved and the fact that not ONE of them has spoken in the years since make this impossible nonsence. They came down beacuse they were hit bythe aircraft which then deformed the supports, thats the bottom line.

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You are using logic to try to shed light on a subject for someone with deeply engrained emotive based paranoid delusions.

Rhys needs genuine help; these internet debates just serve as a positive feedback loop for his delusions.

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