georgerussia 0 #26 March 31, 2009 Quote why did you mention 'minorities' Cliche for cliche. Quote (as to what should be done - a national health service would be a good idea Oh, I thought you wanted to fix the homeless children problem as you were so emotional about. But now it looks like you just want to use it to justify your not so relevant pet project based on your political agenda... sorry, my bad.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #27 March 31, 2009 why did you mention minorities (a national health service is very good for children - especially homeless ones) stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #28 March 31, 2009 Quote (a national health service is very good for children - especially homeless ones) As I said, it is irrelevant in context of the problem you're describing.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #29 March 31, 2009 keeping homeless children healthy is irrelevant (presumably you don't have children) stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #30 March 31, 2009 Quotekeeping homeless children healthy is irrelevant As I said, it is irrelevant in context of the problem you're describing.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,078 #31 March 31, 2009 >keeping homeless children healthy is irrelevant Apparently you think keeping children who HAVE homes healthy doesn't matter! Why are you fine with sick and dying children as long as they are in homes? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #32 March 31, 2009 Quote>keeping homeless children healthy is irrelevant Apparently you think keeping children who HAVE homes healthy doesn't matter! Why are you fine with sick and dying children as long as they are in homes? look, it's simple, the new hope USA will be able to afford government health care, or government housing - not both ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #33 March 31, 2009 QuoteQuote>keeping homeless children healthy is irrelevant Apparently you think keeping children who HAVE homes healthy doesn't matter! Why are you fine with sick and dying children as long as they are in homes? look, it's simple, the new hope USA will be able to afford government health care, or government housing - not both What if we combine them ... build hospitals that the homeless can live in! Or we could turn the homeless into tires, so that we'd still have homeless, but we could use them, on our cars."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #34 March 31, 2009 Quote Apparently you think keeping children who HAVE homes healthy doesn't matter! Why are you fine with sick and dying children as long as they are in homes? an nhs works for them too stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #35 March 31, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuote>keeping homeless children healthy is irrelevant Apparently you think keeping children who HAVE homes healthy doesn't matter! Why are you fine with sick and dying children as long as they are in homes? look, it's simple, the new hope USA will be able to afford government health care, or government housing - not both What if we combine them ... build hospitals that the homeless can live in! Or we could turn the homeless into tires, so that we'd still have homeless, but we could use them, on our cars. It says right here in this Ross Perot pamphlet - "Another efficient use of the nation's resources would be to use the homeless for spare organs for sick, aged Congressmen. Their bones can be dried and used as additives for synthetic building structures" I still wonder, though. How would Obama want to tax the harvesting and conversion of a single homeless person? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #36 March 31, 2009 QuoteIt says right here in this Ross Perot pamphlet - "Another efficient use of the nation's resources would be to use the homeless for spare organs for sick, aged Congressmen. Their bones can be dried and used as additives for synthetic building structures" I still wonder, though. How would Obama want to tax the harvesting and conversion of a single homeless person? did perot read swift... QuoteA Modest Proposal: For Preventing the Children of Poor People in Ireland from Being a Burden to Their Parents or Country, and for Making Them Beneficial to the Public, commonly referred to as A Modest Proposal, is a Juvenalian satirical essay written and published anonymously by Jonathan Swift in 1729. Swift appears to suggest in his essay that the impoverished Irish might ease their economic troubles by selling children as food for rich gentlemen and ladies. Swift goes to great lengths to support his argument, including a list of possible preparation styles for the children, and calculations showing the financial benefits of his suggestion. He uses common methods of argument throughout his essay, such as appealing to the authority of "a very knowing American of my acquaintance in London" and "the famous Psalmanazar, a native of the island Formosa. Swift couches his arguments in then-current events, exploiting common prejudice against Catholics (misnomed Papists) and suggesting that it is the absence of "so many good Protestants" (i.e., English landlords) that allows them to hope to surrender the kingdom to the Pretender. After enumerating the benefits of his proposal, Swift addresses possible objections including the depopulation of Ireland and a litany of other solutions which he dismisses as impractical. This essay is widely held to be one of the greatest examples of sustained irony in the history of the English language. Much of its shock value derives from the fact that the first portion of the essay describes the plight of starving beggars in Ireland, so that the reader is unprepared for the surprise of Swift's solution when he states, "A young healthy child well nursed, is, at a year old, a most delicious nourishing and wholesome food, whether stewed, roasted, baked, or boiled; and I make no doubt that it will equally serve in a fricassee, or a ragout." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Modest_Proposalstay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #37 March 31, 2009 Are you so enamored with posting citations that you thought there was a single person here that didn't see the obvious reference to Swift? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #38 March 31, 2009 Quote Are you so enamored with posting citations that you thought there was a single person here that didn't see the obvious reference to Swift? is that a real question or one of those rhetorical thingies stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Channman 2 #39 March 31, 2009 Quote a lot of homeless children coming up Quote What would you do if someone foreclosed on your home? If suddenly you and all your possessions were out on the street with a bank account depleted from trying to make mammoth mortgage payments, where would you go? An estimated 6 million families could be facing this question in the next three years, with nearly 1 in 10 mortgage holders either delinquent or in foreclosure. And although we've heard a lot about trying to help people stay in their homes -- like President Obama's $275 billion foreclosure-prevention package -- it's been far more difficult to follow what happens to these families once they've been forced out. "We haven't done a good job of tracking those people who were not able to stay in their homes," admits Douglas Robinson of NeighborWorks, an umbrella organization for more than 230 local nonprofits focused on community development. "Over the past four years, we've been heavily focused on foreclosure prevention -- keeping people in their homes. We're just starting to look at the other side of things now." According to Robinson, those victims of foreclosure who do wind up being pushed out of their homes can be roughly divided into two waves. The first wave consists of those who lost their homes because they were unable to keep up with payments on poor mortgages, often with cripplingly high interest rates. There's no hard research as yet, but anecdotal evidence indicates that, although these people didn't have the financial resources to keep up with their mortgage payments, most were able to rent apartments or even homes in their same communities. But for the second wave, the transition hasn't been nearly so seamless. These are the people who are unable to make mortgage payments because they've lost their jobs. They no longer have the incomes to afford rentals. http://www.alternet.org/workplace/134003/foreclosure_crisis_hits_warp_speed%3A_6_million_families_face_losing_their_homes_in_the_next_three_years/ A two bedroom apartment comes to mind and getting a new job. How about them Un-employment benifits they can take care of the rent, and I can fleece my fellow Americans for additional benefits such as food stamps. I should be able to get by for at least a year. Some people want to change the world, others just want a free ride. As Dan Rathers once said, "Courage...Courage". Now back to my self imposed banning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #40 March 31, 2009 QuoteA two bedroom apartment comes to mind. Damn did'nt even require a bail out or the government to figure that out, at least for me. and with no income who pays the rent?stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Channman 2 #41 March 31, 2009 Got me before I was able to edit my response... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #42 March 31, 2009 how's your foot?stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #43 April 1, 2009 Quotedid perot read swift... He strikes me as a pretty fast reader, but one that jumps to conclusions before digesting the entire document. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #44 April 4, 2009 Quote That is simply not true. Peoples circumstances change and can change very fast, especially when the markets are in the state that they currently are. Hardly anyone can buy a house without a mortgage, So even with the best judgment in the world, if they loose their job or their business goes bust, they can very easily loose their home. So yes there are victims when houses are repossessed. when 'just in time' mcworkers are no longer needed remember it's their own fault - and nothing to do with the banks Quote US jobless rate jumps to 25-year high US unemployment jumped to its highest level since November 1983, as the jobless rate hit 8.5pc in March, up from 8.1pc in the previous month. A total of 663,000 jobs were lost across a swathe of industries. The data from the US Labor Department also showed the average work week during the month fell to a new record low of 33.2 hours. "It's an ugly report and April is going to be equally as bad," said Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody's Economy.com. the figures came out, Donald Kohn, vice chairman of the US Federal Reserve, said the Obama administration, which had pledged to create or save 3.5m jobs, and central bank must remain "flexible and open" to additional measures to end what is likely to become the longest recession since the Great Depression. Job losses were widespread, with construction companies cutting 126,000 jobs and factories shedding a further 161,000. Retailers lost nearly 50,000 staff, professional and business services 133,000 and leisure and hospitality reduced employment by 40,000. Even the government cut jobs – 5,000 of them. Since the recession began in December 2007, the US economy has lost a net total of 5.1m jobs, with almost two-thirds of the losses occurring in the last five months. The number of unemployed people climbed to 13.2m in March. In addition, the number of people forced to work part-time for "economic reasons" rose by 423,000 to 9m. Those are people who would like to work full-time but whose hours were cut back or were unable to find full-time work. Looking forward, economists expect monthly job losses continuing for most — if not all of — this year. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/5100445/US-jobless-rate-jumps-to-25-year-high.htmlstay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #45 April 4, 2009 I'm a IT Contractor (Just-in-time worker) and will be blaming all sorts of banks and politicians too when my contract ends and can't find a new one (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #46 April 6, 2009 QuoteHowever, as bad as the official statistics clearly are, the underlying reality is actually much worse. For one thing, the Labor Department no longer includes "discouraged" workers in its unemployment figures. In addition, the underemployed are also excluded. This latter category reflects the somber reality that millions of Americans have been forced out of full-time employment, and can only find part-time jobs with much lower salaries and benefits. When these missing pieces to the unemployment picture are aggregated, the actual unemployment rate in the United States is a staggering 15.6%, which fits in the mid-range of the unemployment rates that the U.S. encountered during the years of the Great Depression. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sheldon-filger/us-unemployment-rate-soar_b_183292.htmlstay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #47 April 6, 2009 Quote***However, as bad as the official statistics clearly are, the underlying reality is actually much worse. For one thing, the Labor Department no longer includes "discouraged" workers in its unemployment figures. That's been true since the Reagan Administration. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #48 April 8, 2009 QuoteQuoteHowever, as bad as the official statistics clearly are, the underlying reality is actually much worse. For one thing, the Labor Department no longer includes "discouraged" workers in its unemployment figures. In addition, the underemployed are also excluded. This latter category reflects the somber reality that millions of Americans have been forced out of full-time employment, and can only find part-time jobs with much lower salaries and benefits. When these missing pieces to the unemployment picture are aggregated, the actual unemployment rate in the United States is a staggering 15.6%, which fits in the mid-range of the unemployment rates that the U.S. encountered during the years of the Great Depression. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sheldon-filger/us-unemployment-rate-soar_b_183292.html Quotemaybe the situation would not be as bad for some if people paid for insurance instead of $10k dubs for their car, bought a house they could afford, saved some money just in case, worked instead of playing solitair on the computer or emailing friends when layoffs started, blew hundreds of $s at the boat gambling. a very large percentage of people put themselves in their currant situation and deserve what has happened. I do not feel sorry for anyone that falls into these areas. I give up alot of fun things when times get tough. I have worked 2 full time jobs at times. why can't these people do it? Are these people to good to cutt grass and picking trash I have been out of work, why haven't I lost my home? why because I know what is important and what is nice to have and know when to spend and when not to. I have never been out of work for more than 3 weeks because I will cut grass and pick up trash. so a large percentage of these people deserve what they have or don't have and don't deserve handouts from me through the government. Let them suffer, maybe they will learn. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
