Able to do under which power?

[rushmc 23]

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/22/20090330/tbs-uk-autos-obama-remarks-sb-03c9bed.html

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Do what? Make a statement? I believe he's allowed to do that at any time just like you or me.

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[rushmc 23]

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Do what? Make a statement? I believe he's allowed to do that at any time just like you or me.

I should be more clear I suppose.

under which power is Obama able to say the gov will honor the warrantees of cars sold by GM?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Funky area, but I don't really see it being all that different than saying your bank account is guaranteed up to a certain dollar amount.

One of the major stumbling blocks to new car sales right now is people are afraid that if the company goes out of business, they'll be stuck with nowhere to turn to for service guarantees. Him saying that they'll be backed by the government makes at least a bit of sense if we, as a country, want to get our own product moving again.

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[JohnRich 4]

Obama Power!

He federalizes banks, insurance companies, and now car companies.

What's next?

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Funky area, but I don't really see it being all that different than saying your bank account is guaranteed up to a certain dollar amount.

One of the major stumbling blocks to new car sales right now is people are afraid that if the company goes out of business, they'll be stuck with nowhere to turn to for service guarantees. Him saying that they'll be backed by the government makes at least a bit of sense if we, as a country, want to get our own product moving again.

So I will mark you down as not caring about the power grab.

Next

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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So I will mark you down as not caring about the power grab.

OR, you could mark me down as caring more about the economy and having people working than on welfare.

I guess it's all a matter of perspective.

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So I will mark you down as not caring about the power grab.

OR, you could mark me down as caring more about the economy and having people working than on welfare.

I guess it's all a matter of perspective.

No, thats not it at all. But I understand. Big brother is the answer. Unless it is a topic or agenda with which you do not agree.

Thanks

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[chuckakers 425]

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http://uk.news.yahoo.com/22/20090330/tbs-uk-autos-obama-remarks-sb-03c9bed.html

Funny how he said he doesn't want to run the car companies...right after he fired GM CEO Rick Waggoner. Then he sends 'em back to the drawing board, saying the plan presented to him doesn't go "far enough fast enough".

Nah, he doesn't wanna run the car companies.

Chuck Akers
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Houston, TX

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under which power is Obama able to say the gov will honor the warrantees of cars sold by GM?

The President is head of the Executive Branch. They make thousands (likely millions) of decisions like this. Look back to all the moves Pauleson made last Fall. No different.

Congress passed the legislation that put GM under Obama's management. The bills do not have to specify every aspect of this management.

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But I understand.

As do I . . .

If the government let the auto industry fail, then you'd be bitching about all the people on welfare and collecting unemployment.

People working is better than people not working. It's really quite simple.

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But I understand.

As do I . . .

If the government let the auto industry fail, then you'd be bitching about all the people on welfare and collecting unemployment.

People working is better than people not working. It's really quite simple.

As opposed to what? Them causing it?

If the gov had kept thier nose of out shit since Carter, we would not be here today. So where pay tell do you stop?

You bitched about the executive branch grabbing power when Bush was in there. But I guess it is ok for your man.

Ironic, dont you think?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 2,998]

So it's 100% legal for a president to declare war on a foreign country, resulting in a war that kills tens of thousands. Heck, that makes him a hero. But for the president to guarantee a warranty? HORRORS! It's a POWER GRAB!

The stench of hypocrisy grows ever stronger as ODS takes hold of the right wing.

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But I understand.

As do I . . .

If the government let the auto industry fail, then you'd be bitching about all the people on welfare and collecting unemployment.

People working is better than people not working. It's really quite simple.

As opposed to what? Them causing it?

If the gov had kept thier nose of out shit since Carter, we would not be here today. So where pay tell do you stop?

You bitched about the executive branch grabbing power when Bush was in there. But I guess it is ok for your man.

Ironic, dont you think?

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Chuck Akers
D-10855
Houston, TX

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Funky area, but I don't really see it being all that different than saying your bank account is guaranteed up to a certain dollar amount.

That is "said" by the Glass-Steagall act of 1933, which is an act of Congress.

The President may not "say" things by act of Congress. He's not Congress.

Rushmc's question is valid. He wants to know what specific power of the executive is invoked to warranty cars produced by a private corporation.

-- Tom Aiello

Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com
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People working is better than people not working. It's really quite simple.

That's an incredibly broad generalization, and far from being either true or simple.

If, for example, it was true, we'd be better off if there was no machinery of any kind available for manufacturing or agriculture. That would result in more people working, wouldn't it?

-- Tom Aiello

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So it's 100% legal for a president to declare war on a foreign country, resulting in a war that kills tens of thousands. Heck, that makes him a hero. But for the president to guarantee a warranty? HORRORS! It's a POWER GRAB!

Pointing out the issues with a previous administration does not justify the problems with the present one.

I'm really tired of hearing "it's all George Bush's fault" from the Obama team.

Saying "but look at the bad things Bush did!" is an equally silly statement. It definitely does not address the issue at hand.

Truthfully, I've come to expect better debate from you than that.


Edit to add: I didn't like the Bush administrations penchant for foreign adventurism. I don't like the Obama administration's penchant for nationalization. I am not part of some vast right wing conspiracy, and I have no idea what this ODS thing you keep referencing is.

-- Tom Aiello

Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com
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So it's 100% legal for a president to declare war on a foreign country, resulting in a war that kills tens of thousands.

You mean the war that won support from the majority of democrats and was approved by Congress? That one? The one where we took out a viscious bag of shit that ran rape rooms and killed hundreds of thousands of his own citizens with a WMD? Is that the one you mean?

Chuck Akers
D-10855
Houston, TX

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So it's 100% legal for a president to declare war on a foreign country, resulting in a war that kills tens of thousands. Heck, that makes him a hero. But for the president to guarantee a warranty? HORRORS! It's a POWER GRAB!

The stench of hypocrisy grows ever stronger as ODS takes hold of the right wing.

Your propensity toward emotion, instead of thought, makes it hard for you to stay on any topic if it related to the failures of the one you adore.

I understand that. But it is difficult to observe you do that.

Now, to get back on topic, we are talking about Obama and where the power comes from that allows him to say the government will back a private companies warrantees with no congressional law being passed.

Unlike when Bush went into Iraq with full support of Congress


Concentrate, I know you can do it.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

ODS

Obama derangement syndrome.

how original..........

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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Funky area, but I don't really see it being all that different than saying your bank account is guaranteed up to a certain dollar amount.

That is "said" by the Glass-Steagall act of 1933, which is an act of Congress.

The President may not "say" things by act of Congress. He's not Congress.

Rushmc's question is valid. He wants to know what specific power of the executive is invoked to warranty cars produced by a private corporation.

Thank You

And you are correct. I wonder from where this power comes?

The President can not promise government money without authorization from Congress.

So, if he is doing this without the consent of congress (and he gets away with it) Would this not be a power grab of very large proportions?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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under which power is Obama able to say the gov will honor the warrantees of cars sold by GM?

I think this is probably the answer:

The Congressional authority for the Executive Branch to issue bailout funds to the auto industry arises (arguably) under TARP (Temporary Asset Relief Program). In December, 2008, the Bush Administration took the position that, even though the TARP legislation specifies "financial institutions", it covers the auto industry. (This was hotly debated, although I'm unaware of any court challenges on that issue to date.) Thus, the first bailout funds issued to the auto industry were issued under the authority of TARP.

Section 5212 of TARP (12 USC §5212) specifies that the Secretary of the Treasury "shall establish a program to guarantee troubled assets originated or issued prior to March 14, 2008." So, I suppose that would be the legislative authority for the government to guarantee warranties issued prior to that date. I'd also think that Congress would probably need to pass further legislation for the government to guarantee warranties issued after March 14, 2008.

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under which power is Obama able to say the gov will honor the warrantees of cars sold by GM?

I think this is probably the answer:

The Congressional authority for the Executive Branch to issue bailout funds to the auto industry arises (arguably) under TARP (Temporary Asset Relief Program). In December, 2008, the Bush Administration took the position that, even though the TARP legislation specifies "financial institutions", it covers the auto industry. (This was hotly debated, although I'm unaware of any court challenges on that issue to date.) Thus, the first bailout funds issued to the auto industry were issued under the authority of TARP.

Section 5212 of TARP (12 USC §5212) specifies that the Secretary of the Treasury "shall establish a program to guarantee troubled assets originated or issued prior to March 14, 2008." So, I suppose that would be the legislative authority for the government to guarantee warranties issued prior to that date. I'd also think that Congress would probably need to pass further legislation for the government to guarantee warranties issued after March 14, 2008.

I can see what you are getting at. But I then wonder, under which Constitutional provision, is Congress given the power to do this?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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I can see what you are getting at. But I then wonder, under which Constitutional provision, is Congress given the power to do this?

It's really just the same Constitutional authority that Congress has to pass any legislation.

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I can see what you are getting at. But I then wonder, under which Constitutional provision, is Congress given the power to do this?

It's really just the same Constitutional authority that Congress has to pass any legislation.

But, under the Constitution, Congress does NOT have the power to pass ANY legislation.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln