jcd11235 0 #126 April 6, 2009 QuoteNo, it's a counter against the claim that man is causing the warming. A planet that is warming and a planet that is cooling counter anthropogenic global warming on a third planet, earth, counters that claim how, exactly? QuoteI pity your students - you *did* say you're an educator, didn't you? Uh, no, I never said such a thing. Is that an typical example of how well you read my posts, or an indication that you're out of valid, relevant comments?Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #127 April 6, 2009 Quote Quote Until then, every time you mention man (or is that Mann?) - made climate change, I'm going to ask how we made the temperature rise on Mars and Titan. Of course you are; it's one of your favorite strawmen. Now don't go burning strawmen..... that wouldn't be very enviroMENTAL (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #128 April 6, 2009 Quote >And I'll ask how those secret refrigerators got to Uranus, giggle, giggle, snort........I have a feeling you won't answer because to answer would expose your ignorance of what's happening on Uranus, hee hee hee - "ur anus" hee hee C'MON - this is funny stuff - some people hypothesize that Uranus was originally a black hole........ hello, is this thing on? there's a reason they call Uranus the butt hole of the solar system (that's for the more obtuse in the crowd you know who you are - actually, you might not) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #129 April 6, 2009 >C'MON - this is funny stuff Wait until we talk about the Tasman Booby and what drove it to extinction! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #130 April 6, 2009 Quote >C'MON - this is funny stuff Wait until we talk about the Tasman Booby and what drove it to extinction! stop it, this serious business about the rape of the planet ....... and you're making jokes how DARE you, sir NO, how dare YOU HOW dare you (texting) HDU, sir 'booby' ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #131 April 6, 2009 Quote>Until then, every time you mention man (or is that Mann?) - made climate >change, I'm going to ask how we made the temperature rise on Mars and Titan. And I'll ask how those secret refrigerators got to Uranus, and I suspect you will continue to ignore the question in hopes it goes away. (Unfortunately, Uranus will continue to cool even under the sun that you claim is warming us up.) I have a feeling you won't answer because to answer would expose your ignorance of what's happening on Uranus, which in turn would expose your ignorance of what's happening on Mars. Which, of course, is not so unexpected - very few people (i.e. none) have a good grasp on what drives climactic patterns on either planet. But admitting that means that your argument "Mars is warming so it's the sun!" collapses completely. So I expect you'll ignore the question and keep claiming that you are an expert on Martian climate, but that no one here on Earth knows anything about the climate here on this planet. And your religion will remain unsullied. Quotedoesn't the orbit of the earth relitive to the sun(an orbit that has a cycle that repeats over thousands of years) cause the planet to heat up or cool? maybe we have increased the rate of temp increase be we sure didn't cause it, nor will we be able to prevent it. there have been at least 4 ice ages and i bet there will be a couple more. I do believe we polute our earth and should do a better job not poluting but this global warming thing cause by us is a pile of shit. what is mostly pathetic is that those that preach this global warming calamity are those that donate the most polution. If al gore starts to practice what he preaches about, and if congress starts buying fuel efficient cars and using airplanes with more than a couple people on them(like polosi) then maybe they would be looked at more seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #132 April 6, 2009 >doesn't the orbit of the earth relitive to the sun(an orbit that has a cycle >that repeats over thousands of years) cause the planet to heat up or cool? Yes, they are called Milankovitch cycles, and result from a combination of three cycles: the eccentricity cycle, the cycle of obliqueness, and the precession (wobble) of the earth. We are currently at a place on this cyclic event where we have been cooling for 6000 years and expect to be cooling (very gradually) for the next 23,000 years. >maybe we have increased the rate of temp increase be we sure didn't cause it . . . No one is claiming that we have caused things like el ninos (generally makes the surface warmer) or volcanic eruptions (generally makes the surface colder.) What we have done is increased the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere. That traps more heat, and thus contributes slightly to overall heating of the planet. >nor will we be able to prevent it. You're right. We can't prevent the planet's climate from changing. All we can do is make sure we don't change it faster than we can adapt to those changes. >I do believe we polute our earth and should do a better job not poluting . . . Cool! Then we're on the same page. (Edited because I realized that you're talking about earth orbit eccentricity and not uranus eccentricity!) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #133 April 6, 2009 Quote>......Uranus has a fairly circular orbit,........ there is some mechanism going on on Uranus.that's cooling it down..... Since we don't know much about the atmosphere on Uranus, it would be silly to say "well, Uranus is cooling, stop it stop it I can't breathe ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #134 April 6, 2009 QuoteQuotedoesn't the orbit of the earth relitive to the sun(an orbit that has a cycle that repeats over thousands of years) cause the planet to heat up or cool? Not really. The Earth's orbit has been fairly stable for hundreds of millions of years. Technically there are minor instabilities all throughout the solar system to Pluto that can ripple and technically have some minor effect, but Earth's orbit around the Sun is very stable. What you're suggesting is that something comes along at fairly regular intervals (on the cosmic timescale) that screws the orbit, but then puts it back the way it was. While something could screw up the orbit, (I'm not discounting that), I find it impossible to believe that it could ever return it back to that same orbit again let alone do it multiple times. Run an orbital simulation program and play around with stuff and try to figure out how that would be possible. I don't think it can be done. Once you disturb an orbit, it has a tendency to diverge. I don't see a way to make it cycle as has been suggested by some.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,998 #135 April 6, 2009 >Did the Wilkins Ice Shelf collapse yet? ========== Ice Bridge Holding Antarctic Shelf in Place Shatters April 4th, 2009 OSLO (Reuters) — An ice bridge holding a vast Antarctic ice shelf in place has shattered and may herald a wider collapse caused by global warming, a scientist said Saturday. “It’s amazing how the ice has ruptured,” said David Vaughan, a glaciologist with the British Antarctic Survey. “Two days ago it was intact,” he said, referring to a satellite image of the Wilkins ice shelf. The satellite picture, by the European Space Agency, showed that a strip of ice about 25 miles long that is believed to pin the ice shelf in place had snapped. The loss of the ice bridge could mean a wider breakup of the ice shelf, which is about the size of Connecticut. =========== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marks2065 0 #136 April 6, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuotedoesn't the orbit of the earth relitive to the sun(an orbit that has a cycle that repeats over thousands of years) cause the planet to heat up or cool? Not really. The Earth's orbit has been fairly stable for hundreds of millions of years. Technically there are minor instabilities all throughout the solar system to Pluto that can ripple and technically have some minor effect, but Earth's orbit around the Sun is very stable. QuoteBilvon fixed his statement earlier discribing the earth's orbit. it is not stable it does change and does coincide with earth's ice ages. Earth's orbit changes from a circle to an eliptical every x amount of thousands of years. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dreamdancer 0 #137 April 6, 2009 QuoteQuote Christians are such self centered idiots sometimes! Says the person who thinks we should all live like you. QuoteWhat are some of the most significant effects global warming will have on the human race? Unusual droughts are causing serious problems for farming in many regions. Whole countries could get swallowed up by this process, triggering poverty and mass migrations. Super-hurricanes could make other places uninhabitable. As rainfall patterns alter, rivers will dry up in some regions, while others will flood. Rising sea levels will wipe out many islands and flood low-lying areas, from Bangladesh to the US. As ever, the poor will be most vulnerable. At least in the early decades, rich nations may cope, but ultimately even they could be undermined. Human civilisations have developed over the past 10,000 years - since the end of the last ice age - in an era of generally stable climate. We just do not know how well we will cope with a radical change to the climatic status quo. http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn9913-faq-climate-change.html?page=3stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #138 April 6, 2009 QuoteBilvon fixed his statement earlier discribing the earth's orbit. it is not stable it does change and does coincide with earth's ice ages. Earth's orbit changes from a circle to an eliptical every x amount of thousands of years. I don't believe you understand what he wrote. For a more in depth reading, I suggest; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milankovitch_cyclesquade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #139 April 6, 2009 QuoteIt's amazing how much irrational hatred of Clinton has spilled over onto Gore. I don't have a hatred of Clinton. I thought he did a pretty good job as president his last six years. I DO have a problem with Gore - a lack of intellectual honesty. Then again, I have repeatedly cited Gore as whom I believe to be one of the most brilliant capitalist of the last 100 years. He fundamentally created an industry and laughs all the way to the bank. QuoteHowever, you managed to bring up the blow job cliché while expressing said hatred, so you get bonus creativity points here. I had to edit my post before posting it, lest I break forum rules. QuoteNo one is suggesting that we do anything about natural influences. On this I disagree. Plenty mention that the reason why we must prevent global warming or "climate change" is because of the destruction is can cause to civilization. "Hmm. The earth is heating. Neat. The sea level may rise 10 meters." I get the feeling that people in, oh, Florida, would want steps taken to ensure that it doesn't happen. QuoteThat's a little bit like how cap and trade energy policy works, too. Yes. I'm familiar with it. QuoteIt's also how Gore is able to be approximately carbon neutral. I have heard the explanation of how this works. And yes, I see the logic behind it. On the other hand, I also see it as an opportunity for the wealthy to continue to pollute more than is necessary. Therein lies my issue with Gore - cross-country trips in private jets create pollution in excess of that which would occur on a commercial flight. It is roughly similar to parking tickets. "I can afford $45.00 per day in tickets for parking in the handicapped spaces." I can understand why you don't see it as hypocritical. But I'll use sex again. Jimmy Swaggart was a hypocrite because he banged whores while promoting family values. If he had stopped just one person from sinning, he would have lived a relatively sin-neutral life. But, then again, Swaggart capitalized on something and made a lot of money, so I guess he could be credited, too. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #140 April 7, 2009 Quote Quote Quote it is not a religous conversation, it is about human impact on the environment. Christians are such self centered idiots sometimes! Don't you and chuteless have some sort of tin foil convention to attend? Cut it out - it's not a religious conversation - note the evidence I am going to enjoy this 1 - faith without facts exactly what man made global warming has become 2 - irrational anger at conflicting position to the dogmalike the yelling at lawrocket? 3 - attempt to control others' behavior to align with the dogmacap n trade, demonizing big oil and big coal. Need I go on? 4 - deification of the top leaderslike what happens to anybody that claims man made global warming is a hoax? 5 - rote mantra and repetitive quoting of mantrait is all mans fault, it is all mans fault. Ok , I get it 6 - massive numbers of followers that don't even know the basic premise of the movementagain, like the green crowd 7 - contributions - voluntary and forced - policy of mandatory tithingmake me drive what? Make me use which light bulbs? Make me use wind? Make me use solar? Using government and laws to do it? LIke this right? 8 - self righteousness and derision of non-believerslike the global warming allarmists? 9 - sacrificing innocent people to progress the political ambitions of the movementYou nailed them yet again 10 - victim mentality in evidenceohhhh, wher to go with this one 11 - apocalyptic predictionsneed anything more be said? wait a second..... I second the "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #141 April 7, 2009 QuoteQuote Christians are such self centered idiots sometimes! Says the person who thinks we should all live like you. +1"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jerryzflies 0 #142 April 7, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuotedoesn't the orbit of the earth relitive to the sun(an orbit that has a cycle that repeats over thousands of years) cause the planet to heat up or cool? Not really. The Earth's orbit has been fairly stable for hundreds of millions of years. Technically there are minor instabilities all throughout the solar system to Pluto that can ripple and technically have some minor effect, but Earth's orbit around the Sun is very stable. QuoteBilvon fixed his statement earlier discribing the earth's orbit. it is not stable it does change and does coincide with earth's ice ages. Earth's orbit changes from a circle to an eliptical every x amount of thousands of years. Looks like you missed this part, where the "natural cycles" hypothesis predicts continued cooling for 23,000 years: "Ignoring anthropogenic and other possible sources of variation acting at frequencies higher than one cycle per 19,000 years, this model predicts that the long-term cooling trend which began some 6,000 years ago will continue for the next 23,000 years."If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #143 April 7, 2009 QuoteQuoteNo, it's a counter against the claim that man is causing the warming. A planet that is warming and a planet that is cooling counter anthropogenic global warming on a third planet, earth, counters that claim how, exactly? I was unaware that Titan was a planet - another strawman that you and Bill have concocted? I'll try to explain once more. 1. Mars is warming. 2. Titan is warming. 3. Earth is warming. Global warming adherent theory: We don't know exactly *why* Mars and Titan are warming, but the warming on Earth is due to man-made events. Global warming skeptic theory: We don't know exactly *why* Mars and Titan are warming, but the fact that Mars and Titan *are* warming suggests that man-made activities may *not* be the main driver of warming on Earth. NB: The skeptic theory is also supported by the facts that carbon dioxide LAGS temperature increase in the historical record, as well as the fact that the main study for the adherents relies on *two* proxies to create the sharp rise and does not include either the Little Ice Age or the Medieval Warming Period. QuoteQuoteI pity your students - you *did* say you're an educator, didn't you? Uh, no, I never said such a thing. Is that an typical example of how well you read my posts, or an indication that you're out of valid, relevant comments? No, it was probably the interplay between you and the other poster on the 'under which power' thread, speaking of grades and office visits - my bad.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #144 April 7, 2009 Quote4 - deification of the top leaders like what happens to anybody that claims man made global warming is a hoax? I think you just tripped over your own argument. If you look up "deification" in terms of global warming, you see a pic of Al Gore, not pics those weathermen or scientists that lost their jobs and funding for not following the party line. "Inconceivable" "I do not think that means what you think it means" ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #145 April 7, 2009 The book Red Hot Lies, Christopher C. Horner. Regnery Publishing, Inc.; ISBN: 1596985380. Is a very good book and carefully illustrates the hoax that is being perpetuated upon the world. So far it has cost over $8,000,000,000,000 and there seems to be no end in sight. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #146 April 7, 2009 QuoteSo far it has cost over $8,000,000,000,000 and there seems to be no end in sight. sounds to me like a business market that I should exploit - I'm going to make ecobulbs and sell them on the "internet" so if you can, keep it quiet don't ruin it for me and I'll send you some coupons you can use at any Shell gas station for Slurpies ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhys 0 #147 April 7, 2009 Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Christians are such self centered idiots sometimes! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Says the person who thinks we should all live like you. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +1 Typical xtians, totally missing the substance of the conversation and swinging it ito a conversation about themsleves. i have never said anyone has to live like me, i simply believe we should all have the right to execise our 'faiths' (That'l rattle ya dags) without interuption from other 'faiths'. So if you pollute the planet frivilously and expect to be able to do so, then how can others that want to have a clean environment live in their utopia? Don't be so fucking selfish and self centered. And quit talking about fucking religon. Did you understand what Bill wrote? He summed it up in a couple of paragraphs, but you guys let it fly right over your head and continued to bicker about ancillary tangents."When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jcd11235 0 #148 April 7, 2009 QuoteI'll try to explain once more. 1. Mars is warming. 2. Titan is warming. 3. Earth is warming. Global warming adherent theory: We don't know exactly *why* Mars and Titan are warming, but the warming on Earth is due to man-made events. Global warming skeptic theory: We don't know exactly *why* Mars and Titan are warming, but the fact that Mars and Titan *are* warming suggests that man-made activities may *not* be the main driver of warming on Earth. Rebuttal of global warming deniers' argument: If warming on Mars and Titan are to be considered evidence that man may not be a contributing factor of earth's global warming, why have only six planets or moons, out of over 100 bodies, been observed to be warming? Why have some planets been observed to be cooling? Quote The skeptic theory is also supported by the facts that carbon dioxide LAGS temperature increase in the historical record, as well as the fact that the main study for the adherents relies on *two* proxies to create the sharp rise and does not include either the Little Ice Age or the Medieval Warming Period. It appears you don't understand the concept of a positive feedback loop.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Butters 0 #149 April 7, 2009 Quote i have never said anyone has to live like me, i simply believe we should all have the right to execise our 'faiths' (That'l rattle ya dags) without interuption from other 'faiths'. So if you pollute the planet frivilously and expect to be able to do so, then how can others that want to have a clean environment live in their utopia? You believe I should have the right to exercise my 'faith' without interruption from other 'faiths' unless my 'faith' has me polluting the planet frivolously (or doing something else you and your 'faith' don't agree with). "That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #150 April 7, 2009 QuoteQuote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Christians are such self centered idiots sometimes! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Says the person who thinks we should all live like you. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +1 Typical xtians, totally missing the substance of the conversation and swinging it ito a conversation about themsleves. i have never said anyone has to live like me, i simply believe we should all have the right to execise our 'faiths' (That'l rattle ya dags) without interuption from other 'faiths'. So if you pollute the planet frivilously and expect to be able to do so, then how can others that want to have a clean environment live in their utopia? Don't be so fucking selfish and self centered. And quit talking about fucking religon. Did you understand what Bill wrote? He summed it up in a couple of paragraphs, but you guys let it fly right over your head and continued to bicker about ancillary tangents. You just supported the point you argued against better than anyone here could of. Talk about fucking selfish...... sheeesh"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Next Page 6 of 10 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. 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billvon 2,998 #135 April 6, 2009 >Did the Wilkins Ice Shelf collapse yet? ========== Ice Bridge Holding Antarctic Shelf in Place Shatters April 4th, 2009 OSLO (Reuters) — An ice bridge holding a vast Antarctic ice shelf in place has shattered and may herald a wider collapse caused by global warming, a scientist said Saturday. “It’s amazing how the ice has ruptured,” said David Vaughan, a glaciologist with the British Antarctic Survey. “Two days ago it was intact,” he said, referring to a satellite image of the Wilkins ice shelf. The satellite picture, by the European Space Agency, showed that a strip of ice about 25 miles long that is believed to pin the ice shelf in place had snapped. The loss of the ice bridge could mean a wider breakup of the ice shelf, which is about the size of Connecticut. =========== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #136 April 6, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuotedoesn't the orbit of the earth relitive to the sun(an orbit that has a cycle that repeats over thousands of years) cause the planet to heat up or cool? Not really. The Earth's orbit has been fairly stable for hundreds of millions of years. Technically there are minor instabilities all throughout the solar system to Pluto that can ripple and technically have some minor effect, but Earth's orbit around the Sun is very stable. QuoteBilvon fixed his statement earlier discribing the earth's orbit. it is not stable it does change and does coincide with earth's ice ages. Earth's orbit changes from a circle to an eliptical every x amount of thousands of years. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dreamdancer 0 #137 April 6, 2009 QuoteQuote Christians are such self centered idiots sometimes! Says the person who thinks we should all live like you. QuoteWhat are some of the most significant effects global warming will have on the human race? Unusual droughts are causing serious problems for farming in many regions. Whole countries could get swallowed up by this process, triggering poverty and mass migrations. Super-hurricanes could make other places uninhabitable. As rainfall patterns alter, rivers will dry up in some regions, while others will flood. Rising sea levels will wipe out many islands and flood low-lying areas, from Bangladesh to the US. As ever, the poor will be most vulnerable. At least in the early decades, rich nations may cope, but ultimately even they could be undermined. Human civilisations have developed over the past 10,000 years - since the end of the last ice age - in an era of generally stable climate. We just do not know how well we will cope with a radical change to the climatic status quo. http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn9913-faq-climate-change.html?page=3stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #138 April 6, 2009 QuoteBilvon fixed his statement earlier discribing the earth's orbit. it is not stable it does change and does coincide with earth's ice ages. Earth's orbit changes from a circle to an eliptical every x amount of thousands of years. I don't believe you understand what he wrote. For a more in depth reading, I suggest; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milankovitch_cyclesquade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #139 April 6, 2009 QuoteIt's amazing how much irrational hatred of Clinton has spilled over onto Gore. I don't have a hatred of Clinton. I thought he did a pretty good job as president his last six years. I DO have a problem with Gore - a lack of intellectual honesty. Then again, I have repeatedly cited Gore as whom I believe to be one of the most brilliant capitalist of the last 100 years. He fundamentally created an industry and laughs all the way to the bank. QuoteHowever, you managed to bring up the blow job cliché while expressing said hatred, so you get bonus creativity points here. I had to edit my post before posting it, lest I break forum rules. QuoteNo one is suggesting that we do anything about natural influences. On this I disagree. Plenty mention that the reason why we must prevent global warming or "climate change" is because of the destruction is can cause to civilization. "Hmm. The earth is heating. Neat. The sea level may rise 10 meters." I get the feeling that people in, oh, Florida, would want steps taken to ensure that it doesn't happen. QuoteThat's a little bit like how cap and trade energy policy works, too. Yes. I'm familiar with it. QuoteIt's also how Gore is able to be approximately carbon neutral. I have heard the explanation of how this works. And yes, I see the logic behind it. On the other hand, I also see it as an opportunity for the wealthy to continue to pollute more than is necessary. Therein lies my issue with Gore - cross-country trips in private jets create pollution in excess of that which would occur on a commercial flight. It is roughly similar to parking tickets. "I can afford $45.00 per day in tickets for parking in the handicapped spaces." I can understand why you don't see it as hypocritical. But I'll use sex again. Jimmy Swaggart was a hypocrite because he banged whores while promoting family values. If he had stopped just one person from sinning, he would have lived a relatively sin-neutral life. But, then again, Swaggart capitalized on something and made a lot of money, so I guess he could be credited, too. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #140 April 7, 2009 Quote Quote Quote it is not a religous conversation, it is about human impact on the environment. Christians are such self centered idiots sometimes! Don't you and chuteless have some sort of tin foil convention to attend? Cut it out - it's not a religious conversation - note the evidence I am going to enjoy this 1 - faith without facts exactly what man made global warming has become 2 - irrational anger at conflicting position to the dogmalike the yelling at lawrocket? 3 - attempt to control others' behavior to align with the dogmacap n trade, demonizing big oil and big coal. Need I go on? 4 - deification of the top leaderslike what happens to anybody that claims man made global warming is a hoax? 5 - rote mantra and repetitive quoting of mantrait is all mans fault, it is all mans fault. Ok , I get it 6 - massive numbers of followers that don't even know the basic premise of the movementagain, like the green crowd 7 - contributions - voluntary and forced - policy of mandatory tithingmake me drive what? Make me use which light bulbs? Make me use wind? Make me use solar? Using government and laws to do it? LIke this right? 8 - self righteousness and derision of non-believerslike the global warming allarmists? 9 - sacrificing innocent people to progress the political ambitions of the movementYou nailed them yet again 10 - victim mentality in evidenceohhhh, wher to go with this one 11 - apocalyptic predictionsneed anything more be said? wait a second..... I second the "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #141 April 7, 2009 QuoteQuote Christians are such self centered idiots sometimes! Says the person who thinks we should all live like you. +1"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jerryzflies 0 #142 April 7, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuotedoesn't the orbit of the earth relitive to the sun(an orbit that has a cycle that repeats over thousands of years) cause the planet to heat up or cool? Not really. The Earth's orbit has been fairly stable for hundreds of millions of years. Technically there are minor instabilities all throughout the solar system to Pluto that can ripple and technically have some minor effect, but Earth's orbit around the Sun is very stable. QuoteBilvon fixed his statement earlier discribing the earth's orbit. it is not stable it does change and does coincide with earth's ice ages. Earth's orbit changes from a circle to an eliptical every x amount of thousands of years. Looks like you missed this part, where the "natural cycles" hypothesis predicts continued cooling for 23,000 years: "Ignoring anthropogenic and other possible sources of variation acting at frequencies higher than one cycle per 19,000 years, this model predicts that the long-term cooling trend which began some 6,000 years ago will continue for the next 23,000 years."If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #143 April 7, 2009 QuoteQuoteNo, it's a counter against the claim that man is causing the warming. A planet that is warming and a planet that is cooling counter anthropogenic global warming on a third planet, earth, counters that claim how, exactly? I was unaware that Titan was a planet - another strawman that you and Bill have concocted? I'll try to explain once more. 1. Mars is warming. 2. Titan is warming. 3. Earth is warming. Global warming adherent theory: We don't know exactly *why* Mars and Titan are warming, but the warming on Earth is due to man-made events. Global warming skeptic theory: We don't know exactly *why* Mars and Titan are warming, but the fact that Mars and Titan *are* warming suggests that man-made activities may *not* be the main driver of warming on Earth. NB: The skeptic theory is also supported by the facts that carbon dioxide LAGS temperature increase in the historical record, as well as the fact that the main study for the adherents relies on *two* proxies to create the sharp rise and does not include either the Little Ice Age or the Medieval Warming Period. QuoteQuoteI pity your students - you *did* say you're an educator, didn't you? Uh, no, I never said such a thing. Is that an typical example of how well you read my posts, or an indication that you're out of valid, relevant comments? No, it was probably the interplay between you and the other poster on the 'under which power' thread, speaking of grades and office visits - my bad.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #144 April 7, 2009 Quote4 - deification of the top leaders like what happens to anybody that claims man made global warming is a hoax? I think you just tripped over your own argument. If you look up "deification" in terms of global warming, you see a pic of Al Gore, not pics those weathermen or scientists that lost their jobs and funding for not following the party line. "Inconceivable" "I do not think that means what you think it means" ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #145 April 7, 2009 The book Red Hot Lies, Christopher C. Horner. Regnery Publishing, Inc.; ISBN: 1596985380. Is a very good book and carefully illustrates the hoax that is being perpetuated upon the world. So far it has cost over $8,000,000,000,000 and there seems to be no end in sight. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #146 April 7, 2009 QuoteSo far it has cost over $8,000,000,000,000 and there seems to be no end in sight. sounds to me like a business market that I should exploit - I'm going to make ecobulbs and sell them on the "internet" so if you can, keep it quiet don't ruin it for me and I'll send you some coupons you can use at any Shell gas station for Slurpies ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhys 0 #147 April 7, 2009 Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Christians are such self centered idiots sometimes! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Says the person who thinks we should all live like you. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +1 Typical xtians, totally missing the substance of the conversation and swinging it ito a conversation about themsleves. i have never said anyone has to live like me, i simply believe we should all have the right to execise our 'faiths' (That'l rattle ya dags) without interuption from other 'faiths'. So if you pollute the planet frivilously and expect to be able to do so, then how can others that want to have a clean environment live in their utopia? Don't be so fucking selfish and self centered. And quit talking about fucking religon. Did you understand what Bill wrote? He summed it up in a couple of paragraphs, but you guys let it fly right over your head and continued to bicker about ancillary tangents."When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jcd11235 0 #148 April 7, 2009 QuoteI'll try to explain once more. 1. Mars is warming. 2. Titan is warming. 3. Earth is warming. Global warming adherent theory: We don't know exactly *why* Mars and Titan are warming, but the warming on Earth is due to man-made events. Global warming skeptic theory: We don't know exactly *why* Mars and Titan are warming, but the fact that Mars and Titan *are* warming suggests that man-made activities may *not* be the main driver of warming on Earth. Rebuttal of global warming deniers' argument: If warming on Mars and Titan are to be considered evidence that man may not be a contributing factor of earth's global warming, why have only six planets or moons, out of over 100 bodies, been observed to be warming? Why have some planets been observed to be cooling? Quote The skeptic theory is also supported by the facts that carbon dioxide LAGS temperature increase in the historical record, as well as the fact that the main study for the adherents relies on *two* proxies to create the sharp rise and does not include either the Little Ice Age or the Medieval Warming Period. It appears you don't understand the concept of a positive feedback loop.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Butters 0 #149 April 7, 2009 Quote i have never said anyone has to live like me, i simply believe we should all have the right to execise our 'faiths' (That'l rattle ya dags) without interuption from other 'faiths'. So if you pollute the planet frivilously and expect to be able to do so, then how can others that want to have a clean environment live in their utopia? You believe I should have the right to exercise my 'faith' without interruption from other 'faiths' unless my 'faith' has me polluting the planet frivolously (or doing something else you and your 'faith' don't agree with). "That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #150 April 7, 2009 QuoteQuote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Christians are such self centered idiots sometimes! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Says the person who thinks we should all live like you. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +1 Typical xtians, totally missing the substance of the conversation and swinging it ito a conversation about themsleves. i have never said anyone has to live like me, i simply believe we should all have the right to execise our 'faiths' (That'l rattle ya dags) without interuption from other 'faiths'. So if you pollute the planet frivilously and expect to be able to do so, then how can others that want to have a clean environment live in their utopia? Don't be so fucking selfish and self centered. And quit talking about fucking religon. Did you understand what Bill wrote? He summed it up in a couple of paragraphs, but you guys let it fly right over your head and continued to bicker about ancillary tangents. You just supported the point you argued against better than anyone here could of. Talk about fucking selfish...... sheeesh"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Next Page 6 of 10 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. 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dreamdancer 0 #137 April 6, 2009 QuoteQuote Christians are such self centered idiots sometimes! Says the person who thinks we should all live like you. QuoteWhat are some of the most significant effects global warming will have on the human race? Unusual droughts are causing serious problems for farming in many regions. Whole countries could get swallowed up by this process, triggering poverty and mass migrations. Super-hurricanes could make other places uninhabitable. As rainfall patterns alter, rivers will dry up in some regions, while others will flood. Rising sea levels will wipe out many islands and flood low-lying areas, from Bangladesh to the US. As ever, the poor will be most vulnerable. At least in the early decades, rich nations may cope, but ultimately even they could be undermined. Human civilisations have developed over the past 10,000 years - since the end of the last ice age - in an era of generally stable climate. We just do not know how well we will cope with a radical change to the climatic status quo. http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn9913-faq-climate-change.html?page=3stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #138 April 6, 2009 QuoteBilvon fixed his statement earlier discribing the earth's orbit. it is not stable it does change and does coincide with earth's ice ages. Earth's orbit changes from a circle to an eliptical every x amount of thousands of years. I don't believe you understand what he wrote. For a more in depth reading, I suggest; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milankovitch_cyclesquade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #139 April 6, 2009 QuoteIt's amazing how much irrational hatred of Clinton has spilled over onto Gore. I don't have a hatred of Clinton. I thought he did a pretty good job as president his last six years. I DO have a problem with Gore - a lack of intellectual honesty. Then again, I have repeatedly cited Gore as whom I believe to be one of the most brilliant capitalist of the last 100 years. He fundamentally created an industry and laughs all the way to the bank. QuoteHowever, you managed to bring up the blow job cliché while expressing said hatred, so you get bonus creativity points here. I had to edit my post before posting it, lest I break forum rules. QuoteNo one is suggesting that we do anything about natural influences. On this I disagree. Plenty mention that the reason why we must prevent global warming or "climate change" is because of the destruction is can cause to civilization. "Hmm. The earth is heating. Neat. The sea level may rise 10 meters." I get the feeling that people in, oh, Florida, would want steps taken to ensure that it doesn't happen. QuoteThat's a little bit like how cap and trade energy policy works, too. Yes. I'm familiar with it. QuoteIt's also how Gore is able to be approximately carbon neutral. I have heard the explanation of how this works. And yes, I see the logic behind it. On the other hand, I also see it as an opportunity for the wealthy to continue to pollute more than is necessary. Therein lies my issue with Gore - cross-country trips in private jets create pollution in excess of that which would occur on a commercial flight. It is roughly similar to parking tickets. "I can afford $45.00 per day in tickets for parking in the handicapped spaces." I can understand why you don't see it as hypocritical. But I'll use sex again. Jimmy Swaggart was a hypocrite because he banged whores while promoting family values. If he had stopped just one person from sinning, he would have lived a relatively sin-neutral life. But, then again, Swaggart capitalized on something and made a lot of money, so I guess he could be credited, too. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #140 April 7, 2009 Quote Quote Quote it is not a religous conversation, it is about human impact on the environment. Christians are such self centered idiots sometimes! Don't you and chuteless have some sort of tin foil convention to attend? Cut it out - it's not a religious conversation - note the evidence I am going to enjoy this 1 - faith without facts exactly what man made global warming has become 2 - irrational anger at conflicting position to the dogmalike the yelling at lawrocket? 3 - attempt to control others' behavior to align with the dogmacap n trade, demonizing big oil and big coal. Need I go on? 4 - deification of the top leaderslike what happens to anybody that claims man made global warming is a hoax? 5 - rote mantra and repetitive quoting of mantrait is all mans fault, it is all mans fault. Ok , I get it 6 - massive numbers of followers that don't even know the basic premise of the movementagain, like the green crowd 7 - contributions - voluntary and forced - policy of mandatory tithingmake me drive what? Make me use which light bulbs? Make me use wind? Make me use solar? Using government and laws to do it? LIke this right? 8 - self righteousness and derision of non-believerslike the global warming allarmists? 9 - sacrificing innocent people to progress the political ambitions of the movementYou nailed them yet again 10 - victim mentality in evidenceohhhh, wher to go with this one 11 - apocalyptic predictionsneed anything more be said? wait a second..... I second the "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #141 April 7, 2009 QuoteQuote Christians are such self centered idiots sometimes! Says the person who thinks we should all live like you. +1"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryzflies 0 #142 April 7, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuotedoesn't the orbit of the earth relitive to the sun(an orbit that has a cycle that repeats over thousands of years) cause the planet to heat up or cool? Not really. The Earth's orbit has been fairly stable for hundreds of millions of years. Technically there are minor instabilities all throughout the solar system to Pluto that can ripple and technically have some minor effect, but Earth's orbit around the Sun is very stable. QuoteBilvon fixed his statement earlier discribing the earth's orbit. it is not stable it does change and does coincide with earth's ice ages. Earth's orbit changes from a circle to an eliptical every x amount of thousands of years. Looks like you missed this part, where the "natural cycles" hypothesis predicts continued cooling for 23,000 years: "Ignoring anthropogenic and other possible sources of variation acting at frequencies higher than one cycle per 19,000 years, this model predicts that the long-term cooling trend which began some 6,000 years ago will continue for the next 23,000 years."If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #143 April 7, 2009 QuoteQuoteNo, it's a counter against the claim that man is causing the warming. A planet that is warming and a planet that is cooling counter anthropogenic global warming on a third planet, earth, counters that claim how, exactly? I was unaware that Titan was a planet - another strawman that you and Bill have concocted? I'll try to explain once more. 1. Mars is warming. 2. Titan is warming. 3. Earth is warming. Global warming adherent theory: We don't know exactly *why* Mars and Titan are warming, but the warming on Earth is due to man-made events. Global warming skeptic theory: We don't know exactly *why* Mars and Titan are warming, but the fact that Mars and Titan *are* warming suggests that man-made activities may *not* be the main driver of warming on Earth. NB: The skeptic theory is also supported by the facts that carbon dioxide LAGS temperature increase in the historical record, as well as the fact that the main study for the adherents relies on *two* proxies to create the sharp rise and does not include either the Little Ice Age or the Medieval Warming Period. QuoteQuoteI pity your students - you *did* say you're an educator, didn't you? Uh, no, I never said such a thing. Is that an typical example of how well you read my posts, or an indication that you're out of valid, relevant comments? No, it was probably the interplay between you and the other poster on the 'under which power' thread, speaking of grades and office visits - my bad.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #144 April 7, 2009 Quote4 - deification of the top leaders like what happens to anybody that claims man made global warming is a hoax? I think you just tripped over your own argument. If you look up "deification" in terms of global warming, you see a pic of Al Gore, not pics those weathermen or scientists that lost their jobs and funding for not following the party line. "Inconceivable" "I do not think that means what you think it means" ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #145 April 7, 2009 The book Red Hot Lies, Christopher C. Horner. Regnery Publishing, Inc.; ISBN: 1596985380. Is a very good book and carefully illustrates the hoax that is being perpetuated upon the world. So far it has cost over $8,000,000,000,000 and there seems to be no end in sight. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #146 April 7, 2009 QuoteSo far it has cost over $8,000,000,000,000 and there seems to be no end in sight. sounds to me like a business market that I should exploit - I'm going to make ecobulbs and sell them on the "internet" so if you can, keep it quiet don't ruin it for me and I'll send you some coupons you can use at any Shell gas station for Slurpies ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhys 0 #147 April 7, 2009 Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Christians are such self centered idiots sometimes! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Says the person who thinks we should all live like you. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +1 Typical xtians, totally missing the substance of the conversation and swinging it ito a conversation about themsleves. i have never said anyone has to live like me, i simply believe we should all have the right to execise our 'faiths' (That'l rattle ya dags) without interuption from other 'faiths'. So if you pollute the planet frivilously and expect to be able to do so, then how can others that want to have a clean environment live in their utopia? Don't be so fucking selfish and self centered. And quit talking about fucking religon. Did you understand what Bill wrote? He summed it up in a couple of paragraphs, but you guys let it fly right over your head and continued to bicker about ancillary tangents."When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jcd11235 0 #148 April 7, 2009 QuoteI'll try to explain once more. 1. Mars is warming. 2. Titan is warming. 3. Earth is warming. Global warming adherent theory: We don't know exactly *why* Mars and Titan are warming, but the warming on Earth is due to man-made events. Global warming skeptic theory: We don't know exactly *why* Mars and Titan are warming, but the fact that Mars and Titan *are* warming suggests that man-made activities may *not* be the main driver of warming on Earth. Rebuttal of global warming deniers' argument: If warming on Mars and Titan are to be considered evidence that man may not be a contributing factor of earth's global warming, why have only six planets or moons, out of over 100 bodies, been observed to be warming? Why have some planets been observed to be cooling? Quote The skeptic theory is also supported by the facts that carbon dioxide LAGS temperature increase in the historical record, as well as the fact that the main study for the adherents relies on *two* proxies to create the sharp rise and does not include either the Little Ice Age or the Medieval Warming Period. It appears you don't understand the concept of a positive feedback loop.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Butters 0 #149 April 7, 2009 Quote i have never said anyone has to live like me, i simply believe we should all have the right to execise our 'faiths' (That'l rattle ya dags) without interuption from other 'faiths'. So if you pollute the planet frivilously and expect to be able to do so, then how can others that want to have a clean environment live in their utopia? You believe I should have the right to exercise my 'faith' without interruption from other 'faiths' unless my 'faith' has me polluting the planet frivolously (or doing something else you and your 'faith' don't agree with). "That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #150 April 7, 2009 QuoteQuote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Christians are such self centered idiots sometimes! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Says the person who thinks we should all live like you. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +1 Typical xtians, totally missing the substance of the conversation and swinging it ito a conversation about themsleves. i have never said anyone has to live like me, i simply believe we should all have the right to execise our 'faiths' (That'l rattle ya dags) without interuption from other 'faiths'. So if you pollute the planet frivilously and expect to be able to do so, then how can others that want to have a clean environment live in their utopia? Don't be so fucking selfish and self centered. And quit talking about fucking religon. Did you understand what Bill wrote? He summed it up in a couple of paragraphs, but you guys let it fly right over your head and continued to bicker about ancillary tangents. You just supported the point you argued against better than anyone here could of. Talk about fucking selfish...... sheeesh"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Next Page 6 of 10 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. 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mnealtx 0 #143 April 7, 2009 QuoteQuoteNo, it's a counter against the claim that man is causing the warming. A planet that is warming and a planet that is cooling counter anthropogenic global warming on a third planet, earth, counters that claim how, exactly? I was unaware that Titan was a planet - another strawman that you and Bill have concocted? I'll try to explain once more. 1. Mars is warming. 2. Titan is warming. 3. Earth is warming. Global warming adherent theory: We don't know exactly *why* Mars and Titan are warming, but the warming on Earth is due to man-made events. Global warming skeptic theory: We don't know exactly *why* Mars and Titan are warming, but the fact that Mars and Titan *are* warming suggests that man-made activities may *not* be the main driver of warming on Earth. NB: The skeptic theory is also supported by the facts that carbon dioxide LAGS temperature increase in the historical record, as well as the fact that the main study for the adherents relies on *two* proxies to create the sharp rise and does not include either the Little Ice Age or the Medieval Warming Period. QuoteQuoteI pity your students - you *did* say you're an educator, didn't you? Uh, no, I never said such a thing. Is that an typical example of how well you read my posts, or an indication that you're out of valid, relevant comments? No, it was probably the interplay between you and the other poster on the 'under which power' thread, speaking of grades and office visits - my bad.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #144 April 7, 2009 Quote4 - deification of the top leaders like what happens to anybody that claims man made global warming is a hoax? I think you just tripped over your own argument. If you look up "deification" in terms of global warming, you see a pic of Al Gore, not pics those weathermen or scientists that lost their jobs and funding for not following the party line. "Inconceivable" "I do not think that means what you think it means" ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #145 April 7, 2009 The book Red Hot Lies, Christopher C. Horner. Regnery Publishing, Inc.; ISBN: 1596985380. Is a very good book and carefully illustrates the hoax that is being perpetuated upon the world. So far it has cost over $8,000,000,000,000 and there seems to be no end in sight. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #146 April 7, 2009 QuoteSo far it has cost over $8,000,000,000,000 and there seems to be no end in sight. sounds to me like a business market that I should exploit - I'm going to make ecobulbs and sell them on the "internet" so if you can, keep it quiet don't ruin it for me and I'll send you some coupons you can use at any Shell gas station for Slurpies ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #147 April 7, 2009 Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Christians are such self centered idiots sometimes! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Says the person who thinks we should all live like you. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +1 Typical xtians, totally missing the substance of the conversation and swinging it ito a conversation about themsleves. i have never said anyone has to live like me, i simply believe we should all have the right to execise our 'faiths' (That'l rattle ya dags) without interuption from other 'faiths'. So if you pollute the planet frivilously and expect to be able to do so, then how can others that want to have a clean environment live in their utopia? Don't be so fucking selfish and self centered. And quit talking about fucking religon. Did you understand what Bill wrote? He summed it up in a couple of paragraphs, but you guys let it fly right over your head and continued to bicker about ancillary tangents."When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #148 April 7, 2009 QuoteI'll try to explain once more. 1. Mars is warming. 2. Titan is warming. 3. Earth is warming. Global warming adherent theory: We don't know exactly *why* Mars and Titan are warming, but the warming on Earth is due to man-made events. Global warming skeptic theory: We don't know exactly *why* Mars and Titan are warming, but the fact that Mars and Titan *are* warming suggests that man-made activities may *not* be the main driver of warming on Earth. Rebuttal of global warming deniers' argument: If warming on Mars and Titan are to be considered evidence that man may not be a contributing factor of earth's global warming, why have only six planets or moons, out of over 100 bodies, been observed to be warming? Why have some planets been observed to be cooling? Quote The skeptic theory is also supported by the facts that carbon dioxide LAGS temperature increase in the historical record, as well as the fact that the main study for the adherents relies on *two* proxies to create the sharp rise and does not include either the Little Ice Age or the Medieval Warming Period. It appears you don't understand the concept of a positive feedback loop.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #149 April 7, 2009 Quote i have never said anyone has to live like me, i simply believe we should all have the right to execise our 'faiths' (That'l rattle ya dags) without interuption from other 'faiths'. So if you pollute the planet frivilously and expect to be able to do so, then how can others that want to have a clean environment live in their utopia? You believe I should have the right to exercise my 'faith' without interruption from other 'faiths' unless my 'faith' has me polluting the planet frivolously (or doing something else you and your 'faith' don't agree with). "That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #150 April 7, 2009 QuoteQuote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Christians are such self centered idiots sometimes! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Says the person who thinks we should all live like you. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +1 Typical xtians, totally missing the substance of the conversation and swinging it ito a conversation about themsleves. i have never said anyone has to live like me, i simply believe we should all have the right to execise our 'faiths' (That'l rattle ya dags) without interuption from other 'faiths'. So if you pollute the planet frivilously and expect to be able to do so, then how can others that want to have a clean environment live in their utopia? Don't be so fucking selfish and self centered. And quit talking about fucking religon. Did you understand what Bill wrote? He summed it up in a couple of paragraphs, but you guys let it fly right over your head and continued to bicker about ancillary tangents. You just supported the point you argued against better than anyone here could of. Talk about fucking selfish...... sheeesh"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
