More Antarctic ice gone

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perhaps your relatives live on uranus (what a fascinating mind you have)
(meanwhile climate change does its deadly work)

You mean the Klingons?


meanwhile - Eric asked last night what our "Carbon Footprint" was for jumping....I answered 17-J

I just made up something, I have no idea, nor care. A reasonable answer might be "yellow", or "smiley face". He stared blankly for a bit and then we climbed a couple routes on the synthetic holds in the climate controlled gym with the synthetic plaster and rubber bits.

have you finished trolling this thread yet - some of us would like to discuss in a sensible manner the fact of human created climate change
(flat earth proponents can start a thread of their own)

stay away from moving propellers - they bite
blue skies from thai sky adventures
good solid response-provoking keyboarding

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it is undeniable that our scientists agree that humans are - as you yourself say - the cause of climate change

nonsense, only Americans are the cause of climate change

per the research

those bastards, those damn olive eating bastards
they blew it up!
Damn them! damn them ..all - to - HELL

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i bet you think they're wrong about gravity as well
(and how is that flat planet theory from the religious nuts coming along)

Apples and Oranges mate - as well you know!!

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

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have you finished trolling this thread yet -

apparently not

How much do you charge to cross your bridge? I'm just doing a bit of competitive analysis

I like to make sure I take enough to make an ok living, but I have to cover repairs, general maintenance, upgrades every couple years (if I don't make it nice, they go down the road to the "NEW" bridge - those bastards - I need a subsidy)

heck, just paint and weather sealing is a couple dozen quattros per month . And the travelers cry about a couple pence to cross

guy's gotta make a living - and it is nice, enjoying the weather, crunching small animals, low cost of living lifestyle too - terrible dental plan though

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- some of us would like to discuss in a sensible manner the fact of human created climate change

with provocative statements like "americans eat the planet?"

that's provocative, but not the sensible or intelligent type of 'provocative' - IYKWIM

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only Americans are the cause of climate change

seems a bit of a harsh judgement - but if we start with them the rest of us will get the hang of it
(changing our lifestyles - green for go)

stay away from moving propellers - they bite
blue skies from thai sky adventures
good solid response-provoking keyboarding

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provocative statements like "americans eat the planet?"

...and all the babies too (don't forget them)
(meanwhile have you concluded your study of uranus)

stay away from moving propellers - they bite
blue skies from thai sky adventures
good solid response-provoking keyboarding

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only Americans are the cause of climate change

..... if we start with them the rest of us will get the hang of it

nonsense, the rest of the world doesn't even want to do what Americans do - in fact, they want to do just the OPPOSITE - If I've learned anything from you, and this is it, is that reverse psychology is the way to go with the anti-US crowd

if anything, to save the planet, we should be burning more and more and more fuels - make the whole country smell like downtown Bangkok - and I'm going to do my part - I'll be grilling my olives, not just eating them straight from the jar

In defiance of anything american, all the other countries will go super green and we'll make it

I just know we will - it's a beautiful day

now THAT's being green AND using psychology

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OPPOSITE US THAT AND

love your use of random capitals

stay away from moving propellers - they bite
blue skies from thai sky adventures
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A mass of Antarctic ice larger in area than Connecticut is in "imminent" danger of breaking up, according to scientists from the European Space Agency.

The ESA reported that an ice bridge between two islands protecting the Wilkins Ice Shelf from the open ocean has now collapsed, leaving in its wake a channel full of icebergs, and exposing the northern front of the ice shelf.

"We expect in the next few days and weeks, that the northern ice front will lose between 800 and 3700 square kilometres of ice," says Angelika Humbert of Münster University, Germany, who has been using ESA's Envisat probe to monitor the events.

Last year, the 13,000-square-kilometre Wilkins Ice Shelf experienced three break-ups, during which massive chunks of ice totalling nearly 1800 square kilometres separated and floated away as icebergs. These events left behind a narrow ice bridge just a few kilometres wide, as the only connection between the northern front of the Wilkins Ice Shelf and the ice surrounding Charcot and Latady islands.

The exposure of the shelf will inevitably lead to its break up, but the break-up of the Wilkins Ice Shelf will not lead to sea-level rise as it is already floating on water. Neither will it cause the acceleration of glaciers towards the sea, since there are no big ice-streams and glaciers feeding it.

However, the events serve as a dire warning. "It shows us that ice shelves have the potential to become unstable on very short timescales," says Humbert.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16918-giant-mass-of-antarctic-ice-set-for-collapse.html

stay away from moving propellers - they bite
blue skies from thai sky adventures
good solid response-provoking keyboarding

[billvon 2,998]

>I don't think that we're all saying the climate change is Not happening...

There are basically three types. Well, four if you count the purely political angle.

Type I is the "there's no such thing as global warming!" type. They use the following angles:
-Thermometers aren't that good, and the measurements are inaccurate (heat islands, bad satellite radiometers etc)
-The ice caps aren't melting, most glaciers aren't retreating etc.
-1934 was really the hottest year on record.

Type II is the "OK, so there's warming, but we have nothing to do with it!" type. Characteristic arguments:
-It's the sun, stupid!
-CO2 was high before and so therefore CO2 can't be the cause
-CO2 isn't all that high; it's a tiny percentage of our atmosphere!
-It's all just a natural cycle like one of those Brockovitch cycles

Type III is the "OK, so maybe we're involved, but climate change is a good thing." Characteristic arguments:
-CO2 is an amazingly effective aerial fertilizer. Bet you never thought of THAT!
-The warmer it is the more crops we can grow and the fewer people will freeze.
-It's all a natural cycle that we're just helping along, so we are _helping_ nature.
-There might have been an ice age and we stopped it!

Type IV are the political deniers. They don't bother with the science other than to post the Limbaugh argument du jour, and they don't stick to any one theory. They just oppose it to align with their politics. Characteristic arguments include:
-"Global warming is a socialist plot to create a world government! Resist! Resist!"
-"Al Gore is a fat hypocritical asshole" (or insert favorite Al Gore slam here)
-"There's a conspiracy to cover up this article that PROVES climate change stopped in 1998"
-"There's no consensus because a few people disagree!"
-"Here's a petition signed by a lot of people who are against global warming"

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we are a bad country and we are sorry to the rest of the world.

just don't be so greedy and we'll all get on fine

Being willing to work hard to get ahead is greedy?

Ok, at least I know now how messed up your definitions of things are

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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And your words mean *what*, besides trolling and talking trash?

my words are my rebuttal to your conspiracy fantasies

And what 'conspiracy fantasy' would that be, pray tell?

In regards to rebutting my statement, you have to actually HAVE a counter argument in order to rebut - sticking your fingers in your ears and babbling "you're wrong you're wrong you're wrong" doesn't cut it, sorry.

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(such as - 'we feed the world' - pure fantasy)

Feel free to provide figures proving differently.

let's see now - our scientists say that climate change is real and you don't believe them

(if you don't believe them why would you believe any figures i presented to you - that doesn't make sense)

and what about the scientists who do not think (bases on studies and experimentation) that man has anything to do with it?

Oh, never mind, they dont agree with you so they are idiot deniers, regardless of the degrees they hold and the studies they have done

You really are funny

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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it is undeniable that our scientists agree that humans are - as you yourself say - the cause of climate change

Our scientists don't agree. Anyways, I've grown tired of this discussion. Feel free to go back to your home under the bridge ...

just remember that every day is a new opportunity to change your lifestyle - even if only a little bit

You are correct. the change I am going to make is to ignore you.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

Yahoo
the 70's are back the 70's are back



http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D97ECHLG1&show_article=1

This is the kind of shit that really adds strength to the alarmists side!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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I noticed that skydiving is a very bad for the enviroment because of the smog producing older engines we run and that skydiving serves no purpose other than self gratification. (according to the other thread) I also noticed you have over 3000 skydives. I have also read you posts on how much we americans contribute to global warming.

Now are you going to set an example and stop your ozone depleting, green house gas poluting, selfish gratificating greedy use of the planets recourses or just be a hypodrite and continue to blast us for doing what do yourself?

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And your words mean *what*, besides trolling and talking trash?

my words are my rebuttal to your conspiracy fantasies

And what 'conspiracy fantasy' would that be, pray tell?

In regards to rebutting my statement, you have to actually HAVE a counter argument in order to rebut - sticking your fingers in your ears and babbling "you're wrong you're wrong you're wrong" doesn't cut it, sorry.

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(such as - 'we feed the world' - pure fantasy)

Feel free to provide figures proving differently.

let's see now - our scientists say that climate change is real and you don't believe them

(if you don't believe them why would you believe any figures i presented to you - that doesn't make sense)

Yet you choose to ignore the facts that were researched in the book "Red Hot Lies"

Did you know about that book?

Have you read it?

Or do you just sit at home and listen to liberal sound bites?


Funny thing is that book is accurate and the research is well established and actually proven.

He even uses the global warming alarmists own data and methods protocols to hand that piece of shit around their necks.

Wake up, scientists have become as corrupt as the politicians willing to be their spokesmen

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Wake up.

you should try looking in a mirror my friend
(human beings have created this climate change - and they can still stop it - that includes you)

stay away from moving propellers - they bite
blue skies from thai sky adventures
good solid response-provoking keyboarding

[billvon 2,998]

>Yet you choose to ignore the facts that were researched in the book "Red Hot Lies"

Just a suggestion. If you're really into learning about what's going on in science, a political book called "Red Hot Lies" might not be the ticket. (Nor would Michael Crichton's fictional novels, nor the movie "The Day After Tomorrow.")

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Oh then you have read the book?

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>Yet you choose to ignore the facts that were researched in the book "Red Hot Lies"

Just a suggestion. If you're really into learning about what's going on in science, a political book called "Red Hot Lies" might not be the ticket. (Nor would Michael Crichton's fictional novels, nor the movie "The Day After Tomorrow.")

Which weather station was better for measuring the earths temperature, the one over the Weber grill, the window air conditioner, the paved parking lot or the one on the flat asphalt roof?

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>Which weather station was better for measuring the earths temperature,
>the one over the Weber grill, the window air conditioner, the paved
>parking lot or the one on the flat asphalt roof?

You must have missed the ones in the newly irrigated park, in the shadow of the tall building and under the oak trees in Phoenix. Imagine that! A biased site that shows only examples that bolster their cause, and conveniently ignore the ones that don't help it.

But in any case, you are denying that the planet is warming? Just to be clear.

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>Which weather station was better for measuring the earths temperature,
>the one over the Weber grill, the window air conditioner, the paved
>parking lot or the one on the flat asphalt roof?

You must have missed the ones in the newly irrigated park, in the shadow of the tall building and under the oak trees in Phoenix. Imagine that! A biased site that shows only examples that bolster their cause, and conveniently ignore the ones that don't help it.

But in any case, you are denying that the planet is warming? Just to be clear.

I don't think we are the cause, yes we pollute but so do other things like fires and volcano's


There is a huge thing that makes our eyes hurt when we look at it, no not the dixie cream chicks, the SUN.

The fluctuation on the sun could be quite minute and affect our temperatures, other causes do as well.


Salinity and energy of the worlds ocean currents are another example.

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Those were shown as well, what site I read the book.

In my experience the shade is where the temperatures are supposed to be taken.

But what do I know, we only lived in the same building as the Meteorological section.

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>I don't think we are the cause, yes we pollute but so do other things
>like fires and volcano's.

Yep. And we've had fires and volcanoes for billions of years. We haven't had SUV's and coal fired power plants for billions of years.

CO2 concentrations are climbing in our atmosphere, and they are due to our releases of CO2. Run the numbers and they work out, millions of tons in vs. change in concentration. That's basic science, and is not really in dispute anywhere.

>The fluctuation on the sun could be quite minute and affect our
>temperatures . . .

It could indeed! Fortunately, we can now monitor the output of the sun quite accurately, and it has remained pretty constant. (Well, until about ten years ago; it's declining a bit now due to a slow start to this sunspot cycle.)

>Salinity and energy of the worlds ocean currents are another example.

What do you think salinity has to do with global temperature?

>Those were shown as well, what site I read the book.

>In my experience the shade is where the temperatures are supposed to
>be taken.

Google "transpiration."

My favorite picture in that website (it was originally a website called 'norcalblogs') was a picture of a "properly located" temperature sensor in the middle of a green field. It showed that temperature was DECREASING! Proof that that's what is _really_ happening away from air conditioners, barbeques and asphalt lots!

But then you do a Google Earth of the town that station was in - and it's the middle of the desert. The temperature record shows a huge spike downwards in about 1960, about the time most towns got automatic sprinklers. They turned the desert where the temperature station was into a green, moist field - and this is the site they consider accurate.

If the "heat island" theory were correct, then when winds were strong at night, temperatures would tend to be lower than when they were light - because all the heat from those pesky barbeques and A/C units would be blown away from their sources more rapidly.

There is no such tendency.