Red Cross report on CIA torture

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www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSTRE53668720090407

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torture was standard policy from the 'land of the free'

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The prisoners told the ICRC they were beaten and kicked, left naked for long periods, subjected to sleep deprivation, loud music, cold temperatures, rape threats and forced shaving. Some said they were denied solid food unless they cooperated with interrogators and one said he was confined in a crouching position in a box too short to stand in.

A previously undisclosed portion of the report concluded that medical workers who monitored or took part in the interrogations had violated their ethical duty to do no harm, preserve dignity and act in patients' best interest.

The ICRC said "any interrogation process that requires a health professional to either pronounce on the subject's fitness to withstand such a procedure, or which requires a health professional to monitor the actual procedure, must have inherent health risks."

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Goodness gracious, forced shaving and threats of rape.

Good thing they were not sent to Cook County Jail huh?

How will they ever recover?

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So, are those acceptable behaviours. in your opinion?

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Are you certain that what they endure is worse than the treatment they would have received elsewhere?


No I think prisoners deserve the treatment they receive for the acts perpetuated.

When it comes down to it the CIA has acted far better than the so called Civilized nations who have screamed about the so called torture.

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Are you certain that what they endure is worse than the treatment they would have received elsewhere?

That's not what I asked.

There is a duty of care when you arrest and detain people. IMHO, that sorts of act (and worse) do not constitute as acceptable level of care..... but I'm just a bleeding heart liberal and detest bullies (that covers BOTH sides BTW).

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Goodness gracious, forced shaving and threats of rape.

Good thing they were not sent to Cook County Jail huh?

How will they ever recover?

however will you recover your humanity (lost in the cracks of patriotic fervour)

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No I think prisoners deserve the treatment they receive for the acts perpetuated.

That assumes that they are guilty to start with, we now know that many of them were just in the wrong place at the wrong time or were denounced by others after a reward. Sure some were Taliban or AQ but they were the minority.

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Case by case basis.

Nobody here is privy to the information that was gathered on each of these prisoners.

There are two sides to every story.

I am friends with someone who is in fact running for Cook County Sheriff and right now runs an area where the most violent offenders are detained.

I am not of the opinion that they should be tortured nor should they be coddled or allowed to commit any more crimes while jailed.

Upon a lawful conviction they should serve the sentence.

If captured on a battlefield they are just lucky not to be executed.

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Goodness gracious, forced shaving and threats of rape.

Good thing they were not sent to Cook County Jail huh?

How will they ever recover?

however will you recover your humanity (lost in the cracks of patriotic fervour)

Should the people in Cook County jail be turned loose on society for the possible things they have endured?

Many times it is at the hand of other prisoners.

Do you remember the lawsuit on behalf of the gitmo prisoners that would allow them to have sex with each other?

Should we have sent them to an all expenses paid vacation to San Francisco instead of Gitmo?

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Do you remember the lawsuit on behalf of the gitmo prisoners that would allow them to have sex with each other?

i'm sure you remember all the details
(now, back to illegal cia torture and away from your prison fantasies)

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Do you remember the lawsuit on behalf of the gitmo prisoners that would allow them to have sex with each other?

i'm sure you remember all the details
(now, back to illegal cia torture and away from your prison fantasies)

Transference once again.

You really don't know me and you just proved it.

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If captured on a battlefield they are just lucky not to be executed.

You couldn't possibly be saying that if our troops are captured on the battle field that they lucky not to be executed, are you? - wow.

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i know you think torture is fine and dandy - what more is there

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If captured on a battlefield they are just lucky not to be executed.

You couldn't possibly be saying that if our troops are captured on the battle field that they lucky not to be executed, are you? - wow.

You are damned right I am, they frequently are executed.

They always have been and probably always will be.

We are one of the few countries that does not execute the captured.

There are others but that number would be less than 20.

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i know you think torture is fine and dandy - what more is there

Transference once again.

I was pointing out that these prisoners have been treated better than most american citizens who are jailed.

Try being jailed in Turkey or Egypt and tell us how lovely it is.

Heck try even France, after all they are the home of human rights. (according to Jaques Shiraq)

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Do you remember the lawsuit on behalf of the gitmo prisoners that would allow them to have sex with each other?

i'm sure you remember all the details
(now, back to illegal cia torture and away from your prison fantasies)

OK let's see, your name is Kevin and your Dipshit.com name is "Dreamdancer" and yet you would like to cast aspersions about someone else having homosexual thought or dreams?

When you dance in your dreams are you wearing a nice summer frock or a latex skirt?

I find both images of you doing so hilarious and yet disgusting.

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When you dance in your dreams are you wearing a nice summer frock or a latex skirt?

which would you prefer

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Ladies and gentlemen,

A perfect example of self-loathing, closeted homosexuality:

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OK let's see, your name is Kevin and your Dipshit.com name is "Dreamdancer" and yet you would like to cast aspersions about someone else having homosexual thought or dreams?

When you dance in your dreams are you wearing a nice summer frock or a latex skirt?

I find both images of you doing so hilarious and yet disgusting.

Don't try to change who you are on the inside, just your personality, general demeanor, morals, and ability to convey your message without implying the threat of physical harm.

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Your one warning (goes for N23X as well) - cut it out.

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That assumes that they are guilty to start with, we now know that many of them were just in the wrong place at the wrong time or were denounced by others after a reward. Sure some were Taliban or AQ but they were the minority.

Wrong place at the wrong time?
Just sittin' on the porch minding their business?
Totally innocent delicate little flowers that would never heart anyone, not even an american capitalist pig?

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
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That assumes that they are guilty to start with, we now know that many of them were just in the wrong place at the wrong time or were denounced by others after a reward. Sure some were Taliban or AQ but they were the minority.

Wrong place at the wrong time?
Just sittin' on the porch minding their business?
Totally inncocent delicate little flowers that would never heart anyone, not even an american capitalist pig?

We can take it, then, that you subscribe to the "GUILTY until proven innocent" and "Sentence first, trial later" theories of justice.

If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical.

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That assumes that they are guilty to start with, we now know that many of them were just in the wrong place at the wrong time or were denounced by others after a reward. Sure some were Taliban or AQ but they were the minority.

Wrong place at the wrong time?
Just sittin' on the porch minding their business?
Totally innocent delicate little flowers that would never heart anyone, not even an american capitalist pig?

We can take it, then, that you subscribe to the "GUILTY until proven innocent" and "Sentence first, trial later" theories of justice.

Never said that.

Just seems like anytime there are cases of prisoner abuse, people instantly think of the "victims" as delicate flowers. We never hear what the person did prior to incarceration or while incarcerated. (attack other prisoners, guards)

Plus we only know the one side. We'll probably never know what sort of information was obtained and how many lives were saved.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

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>Plus we only know the one side.

?? How do you figure? When they _do_ get information they can use they talk about it quite publicly. We have the torturer's side (the US) and the advocate's side (the Red Cross.) Both have an equal right to speak up, and both have used it.

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>Plus we only know the one side.

?? How do you figure? When they _do_ get information they can use they talk about it quite publicly. We have the torturer's side (the US) and the advocate's side (the Red Cross.) Both have an equal right to speak up, and both have used it.

From the article:

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Bush administration officials have said the "enhanced interrogation" of those prisoners produced information that helped thwart attacks but have never provided specifics

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