warpedskydiver 0 #26 April 11, 2009 Quote Quote I do not own a firearm. And the reason for that is? You play with words all the time, you figure out that sentence. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #27 April 11, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteCan you provide a link to any post where someone said that you personally should not own a firearm? Providing a link to someone saying that no one should own a firearm ought to be sufficient, actually. But the OP specifically referred to himself. How do we know (other than his own unverified claims) that he is not a felon or mentally unstable? OMG.... look out.. there is an evil black gun hiding in the bushes behind you just waiting to ambush you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #28 April 11, 2009 I have an Idea, you should go to SDC and tell everyone in the old crowd that you think I am dangerous and possibly a crazy person. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #29 April 11, 2009 Quote Quote Does anyone here truly want to state why they believe I should not be able to own firearms? Propaganda like this states why some believe that you shouldn't own a firearm: If I only had a gun And... YES. I did call it propaganda - the spreading of ideas, (mis)information, or rumor for the purpose of helping or injuring an institution, a cause. And I do believe that this episode of 20/20 was scripted and timed to coincide with likely up coming legislation proposals. Speculation on my part? yes, but we'll see . . . . Too many people depend on the media to tell them what to think.... Gee I wonder why they insisted on overly long, stretchy T Shirts?I know the answer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,063 #30 April 11, 2009 >Feel free to opine if you can stay civil and actually have something >pertinent to say. >whether or not we know if you are a child abductor . . . It is indeed ironic that no one here feels you should not own a gun - and you seem to be getting upset over that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryzflies 0 #31 April 11, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteCan you provide a link to any post where someone said that you personally should not own a firearm? Providing a link to someone saying that no one should own a firearm ought to be sufficient, actually. But the OP specifically referred to himself. How do we know (other than his own unverified claims) that he is not a felon or mentally unstable? OMG.... look out.. there is an evil black gun hiding in the bushes behind you just waiting to ambush you. Do YOU think felons and nutters should have guns?If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryzflies 0 #32 April 11, 2009 Quote I have an Idea, you should go to SDC and tell everyone in the old crowd that you think I am dangerous and possibly a crazy person. When did you last jump there?If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #33 April 11, 2009 Here's a link to an interview with Joe Biden talking about gun control: http://www.radioiowa.com/gestalt/go.cfm?objectid=10E429E8-D6C5-73BE-6B76159E19DE8802 Excerpt: Quote"I oppose registration...There is a Second Amendment, and it's real," Biden says. "...There are certain things that I have strongly supported: eliminating cop killer bullets, assault weapons, dealing with the ability to have multiple-rounds in a gun that's semi-automatic -- 20, 25, 17, 18 rounds." But I'm not finding anything to indicate that he is someone who thinks that "no one should own a firearm." The quote you posted may have been in reference to banning certain types of guns, but I don't know since I can't find anything other than pro-gun sites that post that one quote with no context. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #34 April 11, 2009 http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3308221;#3308221 How long are you usually busy with questions of/in (your) daily life? Man, how many times will you ask same/similar question about your person? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #35 April 11, 2009 Quote Quote Quote I do not own a firearm. And the reason for that is? You play with words all the time, you figure out that sentence. Not enough data to conclusively state. I can make suppositions, and while they're probably accurate, could also be seen as a personal attack. It would be far simpler for you to state your own reasons for not owning a firearm.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #36 April 11, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteCan you provide a link to any post where someone said that you personally should not own a firearm? Providing a link to someone saying that no one should own a firearm ought to be sufficient, actually. But the OP specifically referred to himself. How do we know (other than his own unverified claims) that he is not a felon or mentally unstable? OMG.... look out.. there is an evil black gun hiding in the bushes behind you just waiting to ambush you. Do YOU think felons and nutters should have guns? In the context you provide here I really wonder if YOU should be allowed to own a gun."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryzflies 0 #37 April 11, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteCan you provide a link to any post where someone said that you personally should not own a firearm? Providing a link to someone saying that no one should own a firearm ought to be sufficient, actually. But the OP specifically referred to himself. How do we know (other than his own unverified claims) that he is not a felon or mentally unstable? OMG.... look out.. there is an evil black gun hiding in the bushes behind you just waiting to ambush you. Do YOU think felons and nutters should have guns? In the context you provide here I really wonder if YOU should be allowed to own a gun. Would that be a PA?If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #38 April 11, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Can you provide a link to any post where someone said that you personally should not own a firearm? Providing a link to someone saying that no one should own a firearm ought to be sufficient, actually. But the OP specifically referred to himself. How do we know (other than his own unverified claims) that he is not a felon or mentally unstable? OMG.... look out.. there is an evil black gun hiding in the bushes behind you just waiting to ambush you. Do YOU think felons and nutters should have guns? I certainly dont think people who are scared shitless of them and scared of the people who do own them......should own them... or be allowed to make policy regarding them. In your mind I am sure you think anyone who does own them is a nutter and probably a criminal Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #39 April 11, 2009 Quote In your mind I am sure you think anyone who does own them is a nutter and probably a criminal I think that's probably unfair a characterization. I doubt many people on either side of the debate are 100% for or against anything. The most vocal are probably at the extremes, but I think the vast majority of people want to ensure most sane and law abiding people have access while strictly limiting the folks that aren't sane or lawful. That's really the issue though, how do you legally keep the guns out of the hands of folks that shouldn't have them? Well, the current way is to do background checks. They're a pain in the ass and gun enthusiasts don't like them, but the ONLY alternative is to have some sort of ID card saying you have been checked out and are good to go. Gun enthusiasts don't like that either. Ok, fine, then live with the shitty background checks and waiting periods. Oh wait, a person says they want to remove ALL laws and limits including those that would legally keep them out of the hands of insane and unlawful people? Sorry, that's just an unrealistic expectation. Those laws, while not perfect, do allow a certain amount of control over those people. Those people may not care about the laws. Those people may still be able to get guns, but by having the laws in place the police have a tool to use to arrest them whenever they find a gun in their possession. It's a valuable tool that's used every single day.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryzflies 0 #40 April 11, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Can you provide a link to any post where someone said that you personally should not own a firearm? Providing a link to someone saying that no one should own a firearm ought to be sufficient, actually. But the OP specifically referred to himself. How do we know (other than his own unverified claims) that he is not a felon or mentally unstable? OMG.... look out.. there is an evil black gun hiding in the bushes behind you just waiting to ambush you. Do YOU think felons and nutters should have guns? I certainly dont think people who are scared shitless of them and scared of the people who do own them......should own them... or be allowed to make policy regarding them. In your mind I am sure you think anyone who does own them is a nutter and probably a criminal Not at all. I think any adult who is not a convicted felon and who is not demonstrably mentally unstable should be allowed to own any gun they like. I don't think I have ever posted anything to the contrary.If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #41 April 11, 2009 QuoteHere's a link to an interview with Joe Biden talking about gun control: http://www.radioiowa.com/gestalt/go.cfm?objectid=10E429E8-D6C5-73BE-6B76159E19DE8802 Excerpt: Quote"I oppose registration...There is a Second Amendment, and it's real," Biden says. "...There are certain things that I have strongly supported: eliminating cop killer bullets, assault weapons, dealing with the ability to have multiple-rounds in a gun that's semi-automatic -- 20, 25, 17, 18 rounds." But I'm not finding anything to indicate that he is someone who thinks that "no one should own a firearm." The quote you posted may have been in reference to banning certain types of guns, but I don't know since I can't find anything other than pro-gun sites that post that one quote with no context. You're citing the campaign speech of a candidate for President. So you're getting the usual sound bites. I'm a hunter (not here, but often seen) I support the 2nd Eliminate assualt weapons (without definition) eliminate cop kill bullets (without definition - if it were, it would eliminate all hunting rounds.) And the usual mindless blather about magazine capacity (it takes 1-2 seconds to change magazines, even for mortals) Feinstein and Schumer are the most outspoken in DC, along with Boxer if you think she has any relevancy in government (no). More locally, we got Don Perata and Chris Daly, along with many LA bozos who want to effectively ban them for non criminal use only via an exorbitant bullet tax. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #42 April 11, 2009 Quote Not at all. I think any adult who is not a convicted felon and who is not demonstrably mentally unstable should be allowed to own any gun they like. A bit more specific, though still not really. And still a case of presuming people guilty until they can prove otherwise, to your satisfaction. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #43 April 11, 2009 QuoteAnd the usual mindless blather about magazine capacity (it takes 1-2 seconds to change magazines, even for mortals) Limiting magazine capacity limits the kinetic energy that can be delivered by the weapon over the course of time. Even if a magazine change takes 1 to 2 seconds, that's a significant reduction. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_Cmy2wZDyI&NR=1 Take the rate of fire you'd get by bump firing the weapon. Now, require a magazine change every 1 second and you've essentially cut that in half. It's a legitimate strategy for limiting the amount of damage a weapon can do.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #44 April 11, 2009 QuoteQuoteBut I'm not finding anything to indicate that he is someone who thinks that "no one should own a firearm." The quote you posted may have been in reference to banning certain types of guns, but I don't know since I can't find anything other than pro-gun sites that post that one quote with no context. You're citing the campaign speech of a candidate for President. So you're getting the usual sound bites. OK, so is there a record somewhere of him saying that he wants no civilians to be able to own firearms? (Which is what both Tom and John seem to be suggesting.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #45 April 11, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Can you provide a link to any post where someone said that you personally should not own a firearm? Providing a link to someone saying that no one should own a firearm ought to be sufficient, actually. But the OP specifically referred to himself. How do we know (other than his own unverified claims) that he is not a felon or mentally unstable? OMG.... look out.. there is an evil black gun hiding in the bushes behind you just waiting to ambush you. Do YOU think felons and nutters should have guns? In the context you provide here I really wonder if YOU should be allowed to own a gun. Would that be a PA? I guess YOU might think so! But, it is meant more to show a point. Who decides? YOU? PA Thats funny"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #46 April 11, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Who decides? YOU? PA Thats funny Funny is what? Like usual, I find it hard to follow your train of thoughts. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #47 April 11, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Who decides? YOU? PA Thats funny Funny is what? Like usual, I find it hard to follow your train of thoughts. Paranoia is funny and so are those who want to be in control of who gets (insert your topic here) Understand? "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #48 April 12, 2009 QuoteQuoteAnd the usual mindless blather about magazine capacity (it takes 1-2 seconds to change magazines, even for mortals) Limiting magazine capacity limits the kinetic energy that can be delivered by the weapon over the course of time. Even if a magazine change takes 1 to 2 seconds, that's a significant reduction. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_Cmy2wZDyI&NR=1 Take the rate of fire you'd get by bump firing the weapon. Now, require a magazine change every 1 second and you've essentially cut that in half. It's a legitimate strategy for limiting the amount of damage a weapon can do. Proper training on tactics and employment of certain weapons as well as shot placement negates that. So what if someone has a one shot weapon? With one shot a person can take out a small suburb if the plan is well made. Did you realize with proper tactics that person can kill a small crowd with just one shot? And no I will not tell you how, I don't want to give ANYONE ideas. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #49 April 12, 2009 QuoteProper training on tactics and employment of certain weapons as well as shot placement negates that. That argument cuts both ways. From one side: you only want people with lots of training to be dangerous. The average meth head who picks up a gun will be less effective, and that's the goal. You can't stop a SEAL from being very dangerous--even if you restrict him to emory boards. From the other side: firearms are supposed to equalize the difference between the average citizen and a better trained aggressor. Making a wider array of weapons available to the average person makes them more equal to a much faster/better trained/stronger aggressor.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #50 April 12, 2009 QuoteDid you realize with proper tactics that person can kill a small crowd with just one shot? And no I will not tell you how, I don't want to give ANYONE ideas. Shit. Now I won't be able to sleep tonight. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
