The Tenth Amendment Movement

[Andy9o8 2]

Tom, you've completely twisted and demagogued what I said. I might have expected that from some twit; but I really would have expected better from you.

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AUSTIN – Gov. Rick Perry joined state Rep. Brandon Creighton and sponsors of House Concurrent Resolution (HCR) 50 in support of states’ rights under the 10th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

In another development, a resolution was introduced reaffirming the solemn belief that the Earth is, more or less, spherical. (It almost died in committee when one member wanted to attach an amendment declaring that all salt on the Earth originated with Lot's wife.)

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Perry continued: "Millions of Texans are tired of Washington, DC trying to come down here to tell us how to run Texas."

From the Lessons of History Department: During the civil rights movement of the 1960's, that exact rhetoric was used by people bitterly opposed to Federal action to eliminate racial segregation in the South. Nice to know that some proud traditions never change.

Spoken like a true left wing big government have the courts make law liberal.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[TomAiello 26]

In that case, please restate what you said, because it did sound to me like you were saying the 10th Amendment movement was equivalent to the anti-civil rights movement in the 50's and 60's.

-- Tom Aiello

Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com
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[Andy9o8 2]

That was brilliant, Marc. As usual.
Uh... so's your old lady.

[Andy9o8 2]

It doesn't need to be re-stated. It's clear; and you've mischaracterized it.

[TomAiello 26]

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It doesn't need to be re-stated. It's clear; and you've mischaracterized it.

Obviously, it wasn't clear to me.

It really did sound to me like you were drawing a parallel between:

State governments today who wished to reclaim their constitutional authority from the federal government, and;

State governments in the 50's and 60's who wished to maintain segregation.


It also seemed to me that the manner in which you were doing it was implying that there was some sort of racial motivation to the current 10th amendment movement, or that it was somehow related to the anti-integrationists of the 50's and 60's.

I'm totally serious--that's what I thought you were expressing. If that's not the case, please do explain where I've gone wrong and what you were actually trying to say.


Thanks.

-- Tom Aiello

Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com
SnakeRiverBASE.com

[rushmc 23]

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It doesn't need to be re-stated. It's clear; and you've mischaracterized it.

Obviously, it wasn't clear to me.

It really did sound to me like you were drawing a parallel between:

State governments today who wished to reclaim their constitutional authority from the federal government, and;

State governments in the 50's and 60's who wished to maintain segregation.


It also seemed to me that the manner in which you were doing it was implying that there was some sort of racial motivation to the current 10th amendment movement, or that it was somehow related to the anti-integrationists of the 50's and 60's.

I'm totally serious--that's what I thought you were expressing. If that's not the case, please do explain where I've gone wrong and what you were actually trying to say.


Thanks.

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I too want to know

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Andy9o8 2]

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Anyone in favor of states rights must be a racist, and...

...anyone in favor of gun control must be a Nazi.

Neither of which my post said, or implied. I stand by my post, as it is.

[Andy9o8 2]

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+1

Brilliant again.

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I too want to know

I'd imagine you would.

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Anyone in favor of states rights must be a racist, and...

...anyone in favor of gun control must be a Nazi.

Neither of which my post said, or implied. I stand by my post, as it is.

Do also deny you implied that Texans are fundamentalist religious nuts? Or is the Lott's wife comment just an insightful commentary on the saline contamination of the oceans due to strip mining....

actually, I'm with Tom, you stated the parallel, which implied people that use a state's rights arguments are most likely racists

or, even indirectly, that state's right is inherently a racist's dream, so anyone supporting state's rights is advancing (purposely or indirectly) a racist society

Or you were just trying to indicate a connection to religious nuts being primarily those that support state's rights over federalism

it's not surprising, since those that scream for less state's rights and more federalism also tend to knee jerk to the "you're a racist if you disagree with me" ploy - you can't expect people to not be sensitized to that card when it's played so often when it doesn't even remotely apply

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It doesn't need to be re-stated. It's clear; and you've mischaracterized it.

i read it the same way tom read it.

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[rehmwa 2]

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It doesn't need to be re-stated. It's clear; and you've mischaracterized it.

i read it the same way tom read it.

that's 4

which means.....

#17 - that all the radical right wings nutjobs are banding together to pick on the poor guy - mainly because they love investment bankers and hate people of color and children

it's much simpler than just a mere miscommunication of something that might very well be interesting

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[TomAiello 26]

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Anyone in favor of states rights must be a racist, and...

...anyone in favor of gun control must be a Nazi.

Neither of which my post said, or implied. I stand by my post, as it is.

You didn't say the second part. I was using it to illustrate a similar (and similarly silly) point of view to the one I thought you were stating.

We frequently hear pro-gun folks here (and I admit I'm one of those pro-gun folks) saying something along the lines of:

"Hitler wanted gun control, therefore anyone who wants gun control must be a Nazi."


I had understood your post, apparently in error, as meaning:

"Racists supported states rights, therefore anyone who supports states rights must be a racist."


And I was throwing the Nazi-Gun Control analogy in there to illustrate the silliness of using that sort of logic, on either side of the political fence.


Obviously, I misunderstood what you were trying to say. I apologize. Could you please clarify and explain what you meant, so that I do not misunderstand?

Thank you.

-- Tom Aiello

Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com
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It doesn't need to be re-stated. It's clear; and you've mischaracterized it.

i read it the same way tom read it.

that's 4

Not that Andy needs the help, but I know exactly what he's saying. If this sub thread were more interesting, or if it actually mattered if you 'understood' it or not, I'd go further. But since it's dull...screw it.

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AUSTIN – Gov. Rick Perry joined state Rep. Brandon Creighton and sponsors of House Concurrent Resolution (HCR) 50 in support of states’ rights under the 10th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

In another development, a resolution was introduced reaffirming the solemn belief that the Earth is, more or less, spherical. (It almost died in committee when one member wanted to attach an amendment declaring that all salt on the Earth originated with Lot's wife.)

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Perry continued: "Millions of Texans are tired of Washington, DC trying to come down here to tell us how to run Texas."

From the Lessons of History Department: During the civil rights movement of the 1960's, that exact rhetoric was used by people bitterly opposed to Federal action to eliminate racial segregation in the South. Nice to know that some proud traditions never change.

Same people at it again....

They only seem to find their conscience when a democrat comes to power.... When the far right wing neo-cons took the abuse of federal power to new levels of intrusion.... and were in complete control.... nary a word from the very same fringe rePUBICans

[TomAiello 26]

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AUSTIN – Gov. Rick Perry joined state Rep. Brandon Creighton and sponsors of House Concurrent Resolution (HCR) 50 in support of states’ rights under the 10th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

In another development, a resolution was introduced reaffirming the solemn belief that the Earth is, more or less, spherical. (It almost died in committee when one member wanted to attach an amendment declaring that all salt on the Earth originated with Lot's wife.)

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Perry continued: "Millions of Texans are tired of Washington, DC trying to come down here to tell us how to run Texas."

From the Lessons of History Department: During the civil rights movement of the 1960's, that exact rhetoric was used by people bitterly opposed to Federal action to eliminate racial segregation in the South. Nice to know that some proud traditions never change.

Same people at it again....

Ok. Just so that I'm not misunderstanding:

Can you please explain what you mean by "same people"?

-- Tom Aiello

Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com
SnakeRiverBASE.com

[rehmwa 2]

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But since it's dull...screw it.

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

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It doesn't need to be re-stated. It's clear; and you've mischaracterized it.

i read it the same way tom read it.

The only opinion that matters is how the Supreme Court understands the Tenth Amendment.

If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical.

[Andy9o8 2]

Sorry; been away from the computer.
It's really pretty simple. The first comment ("Earth is round...") is a bit of sarcasm intended as an eye-roll that they feel they need a formal "resolution" of their legislature to reaffirm something that already exists. As a method, it seems childish and petulant.

The second comment is to the bone-headedness of the rhetorical device "Washington coming down here to tell us...", as well as the insecure paranoia that is reflected by it. It's reminiscent of the clunky, regionally-xenophobic thuggishness of the pseudo-Antebellum rhetoric that used to emanate from the pie-holes of goons like Orval Faubus, George Wallace and Sheriff Bull Connor in the 1960's. That kind of shrill preaching to their own choir didn't serve them well, or reflect the South well to the rest of the nation, back in the 60's, so for influential Southerners to dredge up the same historically-stigmatized rhetoric now, with this issue, actually hurts more than helps the Tenth Amendment movement by making it look clumsy.

[Andy9o8 2]

Lessee, now... me, Kelp, Amazon, JerryZ .... Hey - that's 4!

[Andy9o8 2]

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Can you please explain what you mean by "same people"?

Racists and Nazis, of course. Pay attention.

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AUSTIN – Gov. Rick Perry joined state Rep. Brandon Creighton and sponsors of House Concurrent Resolution (HCR) 50 in support of states’ rights under the 10th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

In another development, a resolution was introduced reaffirming the solemn belief that the Earth is, more or less, spherical. (It almost died in committee when one member wanted to attach an amendment declaring that all salt on the Earth originated with Lot's wife.)

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Perry continued: "Millions of Texans are tired of Washington, DC trying to come down here to tell us how to run Texas."

From the Lessons of History Department: During the civil rights movement of the 1960's, that exact rhetoric was used by people bitterly opposed to Federal action to eliminate racial segregation in the South. Nice to know that some proud traditions never change.

Same people at it again....

Ok. Just so that I'm not misunderstanding:

Can you please explain what you mean by "same people"?

Too bad you did not quote the rest of what I put in my post.... but I think Andy9o8... pretty much has it nailed.

[Andy9o8 2]

So as if to illustrate the point, Texas Gov. Perry is now openly discussing, even though not advocating, the desire of some Texans to secede from the union. (That's: the current union, not in the 1860's.) Here's the link from the Ft. Worth Star-Telegram, so people can read the full story themselves.

http://www.star-telegram.com/804/story/1319632.html

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Perry: Fed up Texans might soon want to secede
By ANNA M. TINSLEY
atinsley@star-telegram.com

[jcd11235 0]

We should just sell Texas back to Mexico, and use the funds to pay for the bailout.

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[kelpdiver 2]

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That underscores how Perry's statements are basically just political posturing, Riddlesperger said.

"Governor Perry, like others in the country, is frustrated with tax rates and the growth of the national government," Riddlesperger said. "Certainly that's understandable."

"But for him, Kay Bailey Hutchison is probably going to run against him and he wants to position himself so that he can say she's part of the big government in Washington and he is not."

Anyone else tired of politicians talking rather than doing?