jerryzflies 0 #51 April 18, 2009 That's good. I see you went back to April 1. To provide a little balance, since then there will have been over 400 gun homicides in the USA, including a bunch of mass shootings, assuming a typical month of gun mayhem.If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #52 April 18, 2009 All the more reason law abiding individuals should have the freedom to be able to defend themselves.www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #53 April 18, 2009 Quote To provide a little balance, since then there will have been over 400 gun homicides in the USA, including a bunch of mass shootings, assuming a typical month of gun mayhem. Name them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #54 April 18, 2009 Quotesince then there will have been over 400 gun homicides in the USA And there would have been even more if those people had not been armed to defend themselves. So you wish more law-abiding people were unarmed and at the mercy of criminals? You want store clerks to be murdered by armed robbers? You want families in their own homes to be gunned down by invaders? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryzflies 0 #55 April 18, 2009 QuoteQuotesince then there will have been over 400 gun homicides in the USA And there would have been even more if those people had not been armed to defend themselves. So you wish more law-abiding people were unarmed and at the mercy of criminals? You want store clerks to be murdered by armed robbers? You want families in their own homes to be gunned down by invaders? Who here has suggested disarming law-abiding, sane adults? Oh, no-one has. You might find this applies to your post.If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #56 April 19, 2009 QuoteQuotesince then there will have been over 400 gun homicides in the USA And there would have been even more if those people had not been armed to defend themselves. John, you missed his fallacy. Remember that he counts the people defending themselves as committing homicide, and the criminals they kill as "homicide victims."-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #57 April 19, 2009 Quotesince then there will have been over 400 gun homicides in the USA Who here has suggested disarming law-abiding, sane adults? How do you propose to stop gun homicides without disarming law-abiding sane citizens? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #58 April 19, 2009 >How do you propose to stop gun homicides without disarming >law-abiding sane citizens? ?? No one has argued that. Even Warpedskydiver tried to get a rise out of people and it failed. However, disarming criminals and the insane is a good idea, something I suspect even you would support. Would it end gun crime? Not by a long shot. But it would reduce it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #59 April 19, 2009 Quote Not by a long shot. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
d_squared431 0 #60 April 19, 2009 [Quote]it is not their fault that the public is ignorant. Your anger shouldn't be aimed at them, it should be aimed at an education system that allowes the public to be stupid.ABC is contributing to making the public ignorant by feeding them lies in disguise as facts. [I]It is not the educational system that creates or promotes ignorance with public education. It is the individual who creates their own failure to learn and or develop the skills we call common sense. [Quote]ABC is contributing to making the public ignorant by feeding them lies in disguise as facts.It is not ABC's fault that the american public swallows what they are fed on TV as gospel. ABC's job is to make money. [I]ABC is the network. They provide air access for the shows that we choose to watch. It is the shows(20/20, 60 minute, or whatever broadcast it is)responsibility to get the facts correct not the networks. [Quote] All the more reason law abiding individuals should have the freedom to be able to defend themselves.[/Quote] [I]I believe anyone who wants to protect themselves and their family have the right to own guns(law abiding citizens). The main problem with all gun related deaths is economy or lack of. It is all about money. Those who don't have it want it at whatever the cost is. If you want to blame someone and point the finger then point it in the right direction. The government and the politicians who created it . TPM Sister#130ONTIG#1 I love vodka.I love vodka cause it rhymes with Tuaca~LisaH You having a clean thought is like billyvance having a clean post.iluvtofly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
carmenc 0 #61 April 19, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuotesince then there will have been over 400 gun homicides in the USA And there would have been even more if those people had not been armed to defend themselves. John, you missed his fallacy. Remember that he counts the people defending themselves as committing homicide, and the criminals they kill as "homicide victims." Have you bothered to check the rate of unjustifiable homicide in the USA? According to the FBI there were over 10,500 murders and non-negligent manslaughters committed with guns in 2007 (last year for which complete data are available). . That works out to 29/day on average, or over 500 since the beginning of April. That EXCLUDES self defense and justifiable homicides So his number of 400 was an underestimate, not a fallacy. Facts can be so irritating, can't they? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dannydan 5 #62 April 19, 2009 this is not directed to anyone in particular except to the one(s) whom think that wishy washy is ok! Its been awhile since I have posted in here basically bcuz i dont always have the time however, If I am an ignorant human esp in this day and age of INFO, then it is nobodys fault but mine! PERIOD! Not journelisim, not a Gvt, not my friend not my Mothers rearing of my ugly ass etc etc NO ONE but myself! What is "common sense"? I ask of each and every one of you from both side of the aisle... What is reality? What is tradition? What is right and what is wrong? Is there any particular correct answer that will serve us all equally? probably not and most likely not! only CHOICES! We CHOOSE this or that, we CHOOSE to watch this or that, we CHOOSE to think or not to think... Most of us wouldn't know what the "bigger picture" IS if it smacked us uP the side of our head and came around and stared us down! There is nothing wrong with be individualistic, UNTIL it gets in the way of..... COMMON SENSE! It did not take very long for this nation to get stoooopid! Get ready for the "smackdown" of YOUR lives people. Until that moment arrives, jumP your freakin a$$es off and enjoy... ;) WooHoo! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
carmenc 0 #63 April 19, 2009 QuoteQuotesince then there will have been over 400 gun homicides in the USA Who here has suggested disarming law-abiding, sane adults? How do you propose to stop gun homicides without disarming law-abiding sane citizens? ??? So you reckon that disarming LAW ABIDING, SANE citizens is the only way to stop gun homicides? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #64 April 19, 2009 Quote>How do you propose to stop gun homicides without disarming >law-abiding sane citizens? ?? No one has argued that. Even Warpedskydiver tried to get a rise out of people and it failed. However, disarming criminals and the insane is a good idea, something I suspect even you would support. Would it end gun crime? Not by a long shot. But it would reduce it. The point, made repeated to deaf (or dumb) ears, is that you all have failed to show how you can accomplish what you (bill) suggests without the result that John foresees. The fact is that you have no idea how to do so, and more than a few of you don't care if legal citizens are affected. The counterproof would be a real proposal with actual specifics, and we've been waiting years to see it in SC. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
