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The discussion here is about taxes owed but not paid due to ILLEGAL under-reporting. The rich and the small business owners are the worst offenders by far.

Actually, the discussion started on the statement of a government investigator statement:

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"The IRS allowed more than 1 million foreigners -- many of them in the U.S. illegally -- to improperly claim $1.8 billion in child tax credits in 2007, a government investigator said Thursday.

Then, someone chimed in with, "well, the rich don't report all their income either and we all pay more as a result" crap...

Bull-sh*t.

The top earners pay an overwhelming majority of the tax revenue in this country. It's always been that way. There is a sizable amount of earners that end up paying NO INCOME TAX AT ALL.

This is why the progressive income tax system is f**ked up.

A consumption tax based system would eliminate all these issues.

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'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
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The discussion here is about taxes owed but not paid due to ILLEGAL under-reporting. The rich and the small business owners are the worst offenders by far.

Actually, the discussion started on the statement of a government investigator statement:

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"The IRS allowed more than 1 million foreigners -- many of them in the U.S. illegally -- to improperly claim $1.8 billion in child tax credits in 2007, a government investigator said Thursday.

Then, someone chimed in with, "well, the rich don't report all their income either and we all pay more as a result" crap...

Bull-sh*t.

The top earners pay an overwhelming majority of the tax revenue in this country. It's always been that way. There is a sizable amount of earners that end up paying NO INCOME TAX AT ALL.

How exactly is that an excuse for cheating?

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This is why the progressive income tax system is f**ked up.

A consumption tax based system would eliminate all these issues.

Your opinion that the system is flawed does not excuse cheating on your taxes (aka stealing) regardless of whether you are an illegal immigrant or a billionaire.

You raise not a peep when someone criticizes poor people who cheat, but get all indignant when the wealthy, who are stealing 100x as much from honest taxpayers, are mentioned. Typical double standard we see from the right.

See Matthew 7:3-5

If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical.

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lets not forget the fact thai it costs 60% of what the fed rakes in to collect it. The tax code is way to complicated, and needs to be simplified. I would like to see a 0% tax rate across the board, but we all know that will neer happen.

Nobody feels that they are undertaxed.

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lets not forget the fact thai it costs 60% of what the fed rakes in to collect it. The tax code is way to complicated, and needs to be simplified. I would like to see a 0% tax rate across the board, but we all know that will neer happen.

Nobody feels that they are undertaxed.

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why should the under taxed complain? they have the hard working americans pay for them. As for the illegals, they are not paying taxes they are receiving money back that they didn't pay in, in other words, welfare cheats and scam artists, crooks, or even illegaly sucking the life out of the hard working american tax payer.

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You raise not a peep when someone criticizes poor people who cheat, but get all indignant when the wealthy, who are stealing 100x as much from honest taxpayers, are mentioned. Typical double standard we see from the right.

I have letters from my Senators in reference to confirmation hearings for members of the Cabinet who f**ked their taxes that say otherwise.

Bottom line: You are complaining about people that may, or may not be breaking the law. For something so widespread, there's an apparent lack of convictions happening here. Why is that?

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See Matthew 7:3-5

Don't cite scripture to make a point. If you can't use your free will to debate ideas, God won't help you. Your sanctimony is nauseating.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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You raise not a peep when someone criticizes poor people who cheat, but get all indignant when the wealthy, who are stealing 100x as much from honest taxpayers, are mentioned. Typical double standard we see from the right.

I have letters from my Senators in reference to confirmation hearings for members of the Cabinet who f**ked their taxes that say otherwise.

Bottom line: You are complaining about people that may, or may not be breaking the law. For something so widespread, there's an apparent lack of convictions happening here. Why is that?

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WRONG - I'm complaining about people who ARE breaking the law according to the IRS. I'm not complaining about people who pay what they owe.

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You raise not a peep when someone criticizes poor people who cheat, but get all indignant when the wealthy, who are stealing 100x as much from honest taxpayers, are mentioned. Typical double standard we see from the right.

I have letters from my Senators in reference to confirmation hearings for members of the Cabinet who f**ked their taxes that say otherwise.

Bottom line: You are complaining about people that may, or may not be breaking the law. For something so widespread, there's an apparent lack of convictions happening here. Why is that?

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WRONG - I'm complaining about people who ARE breaking the law according to the IRS. I'm not complaining about people who pay what they owe.

This thread started with complaints about people that broke the law before they illegally took IRS tax credits...talk about double standards.

If these bad-rich-evil-tax-evading people are so wide spread, where's the all the news over the convictions for evasion? It's hype. It's class warfare. It's populism.

Keep moving with the struggle for the people...yeah! Down with those with the money to create business and jobs!

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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You raise not a peep when someone criticizes poor people who cheat, but get all indignant when the wealthy, who are stealing 100x as much from honest taxpayers, are mentioned. Typical double standard we see from the right.

I have letters from my Senators in reference to confirmation hearings for members of the Cabinet who f**ked their taxes that say otherwise.

Bottom line: You are complaining about people that may, or may not be breaking the law. For something so widespread, there's an apparent lack of convictions happening here. Why is that?

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WRONG - I'm complaining about people who ARE breaking the law according to the IRS. I'm not complaining about people who pay what they owe.

This thread started with complaints about people that broke the law before they illegally took IRS tax credits...talk about double standards.

If these bad-rich-evil-tax-evading people are so wide spread, where's the all the news over the convictions for evasion? It's hype. It's class warfare. It's populism.

Keep moving with the struggle for the people...yeah! Down with those with the money to create business and jobs!

I haven't condoned illegals taking tax credits they shouldn't. You, however, appear to have no issue with rich people cheating on their taxes.

Since the rich appear to be stealing about 100x as much from the taxpayers as the poor illegal aliens, I'm surprised you stick up for their thievery.

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WRONG - I'm complaining about people who ARE breaking the law according to the IRS. I'm not complaining about people who pay what they owe.

This thread started with complaints about people that broke the law before they illegally took IRS tax credits...talk about double standards.

If these bad-rich-evil-tax-evading people are so wide spread, where's the all the news over the convictions for evasion? It's hype. It's class warfare. It's populism.

Keep moving with the struggle for the people...yeah! Down with those with the money to create business and jobs!

I haven't condoned illegals taking tax credits they shouldn't. You, however, appear to have no issue with rich people cheating on their taxes.

Since the rich appear to be stealing about 100x as much from the taxpayers as the poor illegal aliens, I'm surprised you stick up for their thievery.

source or speculation?

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WRONG - I'm complaining about people who ARE breaking the law according to the IRS. I'm not complaining about people who pay what they owe.

This thread started with complaints about people that broke the law before they illegally took IRS tax credits...talk about double standards.

If these bad-rich-evil-tax-evading people are so wide spread, where's the all the news over the convictions for evasion? It's hype. It's class warfare. It's populism.

Keep moving with the struggle for the people...yeah! Down with those with the money to create business and jobs!

I haven't condoned illegals taking tax credits they shouldn't. You, however, appear to have no issue with rich people cheating on their taxes.

Since the rich appear to be stealing about 100x as much from the taxpayers as the poor illegal aliens, I'm surprised you stick up for their thievery.

source or speculation?

Google "tax gap" and educate yourself.

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Google "tax gap" and educate yourself.

apparently speculation is now spelled "tax gap"

Google "get a f*cking job, work hard, get educated, get motivated, and make something of yourself so you dont live off the government your entire life and waste our tax dollars"

educate yourself.

edit- obviously this is impossible for all citizens, but anyone can make it out of minimum wage if they want to. Complacency is the #1 killer of democracy and capitalism.

So there I was...

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This thread started with complaints about people that broke the law before they illegally took IRS tax credits...talk about double standards.

The article in the opening post contradicts itself with regard to immigrants illegally taking IRS tax credits. Without a cite and the original report, it's difficult to tell whether it is simply sloppy journalism or intentionally misleading propaganda. It says the tax credits were taken improperly, citing that Social Security numbers were not used. The article then goes on to explain how, under current law (more specifically, tax law that was in effect in 2007), there is no requirement to use Social Security numbers to claim the tax credit.

The Internal Revenue Service allowed the tax credits even though the workers did not provide Social Security numbers on their tax returns, J. Russell George, the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration, said in a report.

The workers instead used government-issued tax identification numbers, which are available to immigrants for certain tax-filing purposes -- regardless of their legal status -- but are not valid for employment in the U.S.

The issue highlights a weakness in current law, according to the report. Federal law does not require a Social Security number to receive the $1,000 child tax credit, which is available to workers, even if they don't make enough money to pay any federal income taxes.

So, it appears the only law that was broken was some of the foreigners being and working in the country illegally. The article does not offer any evidence that the foreigners cheated on their taxes.

The article in the OP looks more like piece of anti-immigration propaganda. No wonder the poster didn't link to the source.

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>obviously this is impossible for all citizens, but anyone can make it out
> of minimum wage if they want to.

If it's impossible, then they cannot make it out of minimum wage. That's sort of the definition of "impossible."

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Google "tax gap" and educate yourself.

apparently speculation is now spelled "tax gap"

Google "get a f*cking job, work hard, get educated, get motivated, and make something of yourself so you dont live off the government your entire life and waste our tax dollars"

educate yourself.

How will that change the behavior of wealthy tax cheats?

I object to wealthy people who cheat on their taxes to the grand total of around $300 Billion (source: IRS) more than I object to illegal immigrants who may have cheated the rest of us out of $1.8 Billion (according to the OP).

If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical.

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meant impossible for everyone to get rich off their own company or be a sr. exec of sorts, but laziness and being complacent is why people remain at a minimum wage jobs.

edit- the wealthy also may have cheated on their taxes, and they also may not have. everyone tries to some degree im sure, no one enjoys losing money when tax season rolls around. So the solution is gov't needs to step up their game if it is that important to em, simple as that. take it up with them if it bothers you so much.

So there I was...

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meant impossible for everyone to get rich off their own company or be a sr. exec of sorts, but laziness and being complacent is why people remain at a minimum wage jobs.

edit- the wealthy also may have cheated on their taxes, and they also may not have. everyone tries to some degree im sure, no one enjoys losing money when tax season rolls around. So the solution is gov't needs to step up their game if it is that important to em, simple as that. take it up with them if it bothers you so much.

The IRS documents are very clear on who the biggest tax cheats are. Self-employed people, small business owners, and the very wealthy.

Now that may well be because regular wage or salary earning working people have little opportunity to cheat, but it doesn't alter the facts.

If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical.

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>meant impossible for everyone to get rich off their own company or be a sr. exec
> of sorts, but laziness and being complacent is why people remain at a minimum
>wage jobs.

Some yes, some no. I know a few people who are simply maxed out by a minimum wage job. It's not a question of laziness or complacency, but rather indicative of their limitations.

>edit- the wealthy also may have cheated on their taxes, and they also may not have.

Not really a question. They have; the IRS has the data showing it.

> So the solution is gov't needs to step up their game if it is that important
>to em, simple as that. take it up with them if it bothers you so much.

Good point! I assume you will be OK with a tax increase to hire all the new investigators/admin support for that.

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>meant impossible for everyone to get rich off their own company or be a sr. exec
> of sorts, but laziness and being complacent is why people remain at a minimum
>wage jobs.

Some yes, some no. I know a few people who are simply maxed out by a minimum wage job. It's not a question of laziness or complacency, but rather indicative of their limitations.

>edit- the wealthy also may have cheated on their taxes, and they also may not have.

Not really a question. They have; the IRS has the data showing it.

> So the solution is gov't needs to step up their game if it is that important
>to em, simple as that. take it up with them if it bothers you so much.

Good point! I assume you will be OK with a tax increase to hire all the new investigators/admin support for that.

Sure!

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of course I wouldn't be ok with it. But how they fund it is their prerogitive. If it were my choice, hiring extra people to bring in $300 billion should pay for itself 10,000+ times over though without the first thought of increasing taxes... nifty the way things can work like that eh? However, we might not have to chase so many evaders if the taxing was reasonable and bullsh*t spending was cut. Anyway with O in office im sure the only way to pay for something like that would be through more taxes...

People will always get away with tax evasion, there are too many of us to monitor accurately with too many credits and write offs to keep an eye on. If someone has the balls to go out and try and save a mil on their taxes and risk jail time, fine. I understand, I also understand when that same person gets penalized and arrested. same goes for the illegals. If you risk it and get caught, don't b*tch.

So there I was...

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It's illegal to have an offshore account and not report its existence. It's one of the questions on the tax form. The IRS estimates it loses hundreds of billions in taxes owed due to funds being hidden in unreported offshore accounts.

Perhaps you can tell me what question that is - a quick scan of my 2008 Form 1040 doesn't reveal a question asking "do you have any foreign bank accounts?".

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of course I wouldn't be ok with it. But how they fund it is their prerogitive. If it were my choice, hiring extra people to bring in $300 billion should pay for itself 10,000+ times over though without the first thought of increasing taxes... nifty the way things can work like that eh? However, we might not have to chase so many evaders if the taxing was reasonable and bullsh*t spending was cut. Anyway with O in office im sure the only way to pay for something like that would be through more taxes...

People will always get away with tax evasion, there are too many of us to monitor accurately with too many credits and write offs to keep an eye on. If someone has the balls to go out and try and save a mil on their taxes and risk jail time, fine. I understand, I also understand when that same person gets penalized and arrested. same goes for the illegals. If you risk it and get caught, don't b*tch.

And of course if you are a Democrate you may not have to pay taxes. Unles you want to be on Obamas cabinet that is

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>Perhaps you can tell me what question that is.

Question 7, Part III, Schedule B of the Form 1040:

"At any time during 2008, did you have an interest in or a signature or other authority over a financial account in a foreign country, such as a bank account, securities account, or other financial account?"

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Perhaps you can tell me what question that is - a quick scan of my 2008 Form 1040 doesn't reveal a question asking "do you have any foreign bank accounts?".

Offshore accounts also must be reported on Form 1040, Schedule B, Part III, as part of the income tax return due April 15.

http://www.fa-mag.com/fa-news/3965-deadline-looms-for-offshor-account-holders.html

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Thank you, gentlemen.

So, evidently it's only illegal to not report a foreign account if you itemize, as the question is not on the base 1040.

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