Rookie120 0 #1 April 17, 2009 DENVER (AP) - The Colorado Senate has backed a bill waiving additional background checks for some gun owners. The Senate passed House Bill 1180 on a 22-13 vote Friday. It now heads back to the House, which passed its own version earlier. The Senate version would exempt people with concealed weapons permits from background checks each time they buy a weapon. Those permit holders undergo background checks before they can get a permit. Senators agreed to change the bill to require the state to come up with a tamperproof permit card to be used across Colorado. Permit holders would also have to show another form of identification when buying a gun. *** A new gun rule that makes sense. I cannot believe they passed this. Way to go Colorado!If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #2 April 17, 2009 Quote Quote The Senate version would exempt people with concealed weapons permits from background checks each time they buy a weapon. Those permit holders undergo background checks before they can get a permit. A new gun rule that makes sense. I cannot believe they passed this. Way to go Colorado! Wow. I'm surprised that Colorado wasn't already like that. It's common practice in most reasonably pro-gun states to skip background checks on CCW holders. Even that left-wing icon, Paul Quade, appears to accept it as reasonable practice. -- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rookie120 0 #3 April 17, 2009 QuoteWow. I'm surprised that Colorado wasn't already like that. It's common practice in most reasonably pro-gun states to skip background checks on CCW holders. I wish this was the law when I lived out in Colorado. I had a CCW but everytime I went to purchase I had to do the tap dance. Such a pain in the ass. This make sense and I am happy it passed. I just hope to move back there sometime soon.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #4 April 17, 2009 Quote Senators agreed to change the bill to require the state to come up with a tamperproof permit card to be used across Colorado. The Washington State (duh, surely not D.C.) CPL is a flimsy piece of paper with no pic, just a thumbprint. I would much prefer something sturdier and with a picture, like a driver's license format. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #5 April 17, 2009 Quote Quote Senators agreed to change the bill to require the state to come up with a tamperproof permit card to be used across Colorado. The Washington State (duh, surely not D.C.) CPL is a flimsy piece of paper with no pic, just a thumbprint. I would much prefer something sturdier and with a picture, like a driver's license format. When I was in IN, the CCW was an unbelievably flimsy piece of paper most closely resembling single-ply bathroom tissue. I swear that was intentional to ensure it did not last a fraction of the term of the license. The current CO CCW is a plastic card. I don't see how it could be subject to tampering."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #6 April 17, 2009 Quote DENVER (AP) - The Colorado Senate has backed a bill waiving additional background checks for some gun owners. The Senate passed House Bill 1180 on a 22-13 vote Friday. It now heads back to the House, which passed its own version earlier. The Senate version would exempt people with concealed weapons permits from background checks each time they buy a weapon. Those permit holders undergo background checks before they can get a permit. Senators agreed to change the bill to require the state to come up with a tamperproof permit card to be used across Colorado. Permit holders would also have to show another form of identification when buying a gun. *** A new gun rule that makes sense. I cannot believe they passed this. Way to go Colorado! Already have it here in Washington.... No wait whatsoever for me Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #7 April 17, 2009 QuoteEven that left-wing icon, Paul Quade … Interesting. Out of curiosity, how do you refer to those who are actually significantly left of center? If we likened the left-right political spectrum to the span of a commercial airliner (not a jump plane), Quade might be on the port side of the aisle, maybe even in a window seat, but he's still inside the fuselage. Of course it might be hard to see that for people sitting next to the starboard winglet.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #8 April 18, 2009 Dude, you've totally got to do a sarcasm check every now and then.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #9 April 18, 2009 QuoteDude, you've totally got to do a sarcasm check every now and then. Sorry. It's not uncommon in SC for those on the far right to refer to or imply that posters who are rather centrist in their political ideology as left wingers. I didn't realize you were being sarcastic.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krip 2 #10 April 18, 2009 Quote Quote Senators agreed to change the bill to require the state to come up with a tamperproof permit card to be used across Colorado. The Washington State (duh, surely not D.C.) CPL is a flimsy piece of paper with no pic, just a thumbprint. I would much prefer something sturdier and with a picture, like a driver's license format. Hi J&V Tell us the truth John you just like looking at pics of yourselfFWIW I went swiming with my Wa state CPL at LP a couple of years ago That flimsy piece of paper is still in one piece and I'll be finding out in a couple of weeks if it still works. OTOH a pic on my CPL wouldn't work if I ever had a facial hair displant.R.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funjumper101 15 #11 April 18, 2009 This is a win for the ccw holders. I am pleased. For the record, I am strongly in favor of the first amendment when it comes to gun ownership and responsible use. Use of guns while committing crimes should bring an automatic 25 year sentence, on top of what ever other penalties are assesed. Consent of the governed only works when the government has a healthy respect for the people. Unarmed = powerless. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #12 April 18, 2009 QuoteUse of guns while committing crimes should bring an automatic 25 year sentence, on top of what ever other penalties are assesed. Let's say that the current penalty for armed robbery is a five-year sentence. So if someone commits a robbery with a knife, the robber gets five years. But if another robber walks into the same store the next night with a gun instead, then they get 30 years. And this makes sense to you? How about if it's only a fake gun that couldn't really hurt someone - shouldn't they get time knocked off their sentence for that, and maybe serve only four years? Criminals don't think they'll be caught. They aren't deterred by the threat of future sentences. If the current penalties don't already deter them, making it 25-years isn't going to change anything. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funjumper101 15 #13 April 18, 2009 QuoteQuoteUse of guns while committing crimes should bring an automatic 25 year sentence, on top of what ever other penalties are assesed. Let's say that the current penalty for armed robbery is a five-year sentence. So if someone commits a robbery with a knife, the robber gets five years. But if another robber walks into the same store the next night with a gun instead, then they get 30 years. And this makes sense to you? How about if it's only a fake gun that couldn't really hurt someone - shouldn't they get time knocked off their sentence for that, and maybe serve only four years? Criminals don't think they'll be caught. They aren't deterred by the threat of future sentences. If the current penalties don't already deter them, making it 25-years isn't going to change anything. I would not have written it if I hadn't thought about it and decided that it totally makes sense. I disagree with your conclusion. In my youth, I hung around with a pretty bad crowd. When crimes were planned, what and how to do it were considered, along with possible punishments. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #14 April 18, 2009 QuoteIn my youth, I hung around with a pretty bad crowd. When crimes were planned, what and how to do it were considered, along with possible punishments. So if your new law was in effect at that time, you would have just ditched the gun, but gone ahead and committed the robbery anyway with a knife? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #15 April 19, 2009 Quote So if your new law was in effect at that time, you would have just ditched the gun, but gone ahead and committed the robbery anyway with a knife? And would the "right to carry" laws make you think twice about committing the robbery at all? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krip 2 #16 April 19, 2009 Quote Quote So if your new law was in effect at that time, you would have just ditched the gun, but gone ahead and committed the robbery anyway with a knife? And would the "right to carry" laws make you think twice about committing the robbery at all? Hi J&V Only in certain states with the right stuff ......... Like TexasOne Jump Wonder Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funjumper101 15 #17 April 19, 2009 Most of the crap I was involved in was proprty crimes and fencing the results. No weapons were considered. We were aware of the enhancements for entering occupied dwellings and theft of firearms, so those were things we didn't do. Some of the folks I hung with did go on to worse crimes and ended up in jail. I quit early and straightened out. If there had been CCW laws at the time, I don't think that would have factored into the decison making. We didn't commit face to face crimes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #18 April 20, 2009 And I say the reason face to face crimes are unpopular is the possibility Granny may have a revolver stashed somewhere. I know house burglars are a lot more worried about getting shot by a homeowner than getting busted by the cops. That's why they always try to make sure no one's home. True? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #19 April 20, 2009 Quote Only in certain states with the right stuff ......... Like Texas 1 - WA state had right to carry before Texas. 2 - I'm a Texan. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #20 April 28, 2009 QuoteQuoteDude, you've totally got to do a sarcasm check every now and then. Sorry. It's not uncommon in SC for those on the far right to refer to or imply that posters who are rather centrist in their political ideology as left wingers. I didn't realize you were being sarcastic. It's not uncommon for those on the far left to refer to or imply that posters who are rather centrist in the political ideology as right wingers, either.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve1 5 #21 April 28, 2009 There has been a bill in the works in Montana that states that a resident can buy a custom rifle made in Montana without any background checks. This flies in the face of federal gun control laws. It will be interesting to see if it passes. I haven't heard anything recent on this..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #22 April 28, 2009 QuoteThere has been a bill in the works in Montana that states that a resident can buy a custom rifle made in Montana without any background checks. This flies in the face of federal gun control laws. It will be interesting to see if it passes. I haven't heard anything recent on this..... And that's the way it should be. The only constitutional authority the government has to regulate guns is through the "interstate commerce" clause. And since a gun made in Montana and sold to a citizen of Montana doesn't move across state lines, the Feds have no business in it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #23 April 28, 2009 Same here in Texas... of course! I show my CHL, fill-out a short form, pay for the pistol and out the door I go! Sweeeeeet...Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
