AggieDave 6 #26 April 28, 2009 http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124084127590859371.html A junior Mayoral aid was notified prior to the event. That aid dropped the ball. So notification was sent, it was the mayor's office that had its head up its ass. Figures.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piper17 1 #27 April 28, 2009 What do "they", whoever "they" are, plan to do with these "kickass pictures". Is this the best use of a 747 and an F-16? I wonder what the cost was to the taxpayer for aircraft usage, fuel, maintenance, crew, maintenance support personnel, etc just so someone could have a photo of an "Air Force One" flying by the Statue of Liberty. It seems to me that our tax money could be spent a bit more wisely."A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition"...Rudyard Kipling Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #28 April 28, 2009 Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #29 April 28, 2009 QuotePresident Obama was furious about how the mission was carried out (an aid to Mayor Bloomberg is in deep sh*t too). he should be, it's his plane, his responsibility - he's the one that's said repeatedly that he'll be able to predict anything and fix it before it happens he's likely more furious to again be proven wrong that the government can't predict everything and do everything right the $$ for the flyover are the only thing I'm down about - what a waste the NY'ers should be upset for obvious reasons ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #30 April 28, 2009 http://aero-news.net/ Quote NYPD Deputy Commissioner Paul J. Browne admitted that they had been alerted about the exercise, but had also been encumbered, "with directives to local authorities not to disclose information about it." I'd like to hear the reasoning for that "directive". People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #31 April 28, 2009 That's a valid point Paul. However, it has always been my personal belief that everything comes from higher. Right up to the top. A bhunch of clown MP's abusing prisoners in Iraq? Look right to the top for the command climate. Bush didn't authorize the soldiers banging in front of the prisoners. But it is a command climate issue. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #32 April 28, 2009 Quote I'd like to hear the reasoning for that "directive". Again, that directive was a holdover from the Bush admin. Cheney put it in place when the DHS was established. Something to do with Halliburton. I don't recall all the details. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piper17 1 #33 April 28, 2009 Something else has come to mind; was the F-16 the photo bird for the photo op? It seems that an F-16 is an unusual choice for this task because the photographer (assuming this was a two-seat version of an F-16) would be shooting through a curved canopy...not the best for high-quality, high resolution photos I shouldn't think. Thoughts, anyone?"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition"...Rudyard Kipling Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #34 April 28, 2009 Stupid is as stupid does.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #35 April 28, 2009 Quote the $$ for the flyover are the only thing I'm down about - what a waste The guy in the F16 is going to be flying anyway, and if the 747 is going past NY to another destination, that flight is only a minor waste. If, OTOH, it's only purpose was the fly-by, there is your waste. Sometimes people complain about the cost of military helicopters being used in mountain rescues. This is another case where the crew needs to train, and training on a real mission is more useful than a contrived one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #36 April 29, 2009 One article said the flyover photo op was combined with another mission to defray the costs. The Photographer was in the back seat of the F-16, it was an AF Combat Photgrapher. And Louis admitted (or at least took) resposibility. Can we all move along now? MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #37 April 29, 2009 It warms my heart to see that it's not just my little town, or my boss, or my company, or the industry I'm in; but that most likely it is true that 90% of the human species only plugs it's brain in about 10% of the time. Every fucking person who was in on this plan and thought it was a good idea (and especially those that had the authority to say NO), ought to be shitcanned. Think about it. Someone hatched the idea of doing fly-bys of the NYC skyscrapers. Some group, or heirarchy of people, or chain of command then reviewed and said "Cool, great idea." What a bunch of fucking morons. Sometimes I'm amazed our species still survives." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #38 April 30, 2009 Quote One article said the flyover photo op was combined with another mission to defray the costs. The Photographer was in the back seat of the F-16, it was an AF Combat Photgrapher. And Louis admitted (or at least took) resposibility. Can we all move along now? Matt Move along again...for how long? We've been moving along now through DVDs, red "reset" buttons with misinterpretations, iPods (with his own speeches on them), touching the Queen, apologizing, waffling on CIA prosecution, no prosecution, et al, veterans are extremists subject to FBI investigation, terrorists cross the border from Canada... Will this "polish" up over the term? Sure, but this has not been a stellar performance, and little of it enriches the American experience. Now, we have POTUS, on the air now, reminding us to wash our hands...Sorry Matt, I don't need to "move on". It's clear we need to keep a close eye.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #39 April 30, 2009 Max, I was thinking that we could move along from blaming the POTUS for this one event when Louis owned up to it. I agree that "We the People" should keep a watchful eye on OUR government. The washing hands thing, IMO, was an attempt at calming any mass hesteria. One child (From mexico where he was infected at the time) died in the US from "Swine Flu" and several more are infected, but in treatment. In TN alone 700 people die annualy from the "normal every day" flu. I think the CDC should be concerned but I do not think we are in an epidemeic, yet. Maybe washing our hands after covering our mouths will help. Parents tell thier kids that every day (I hope!). I just think there are bigger things to talk about, like the economy dropping 6.1 percent again last quarter. Proposed Defense cuts will close more factories in regions already floundering and this after we poured billions into stupid stuff like the soon to file for bankruptcy auto makers. California raising fees and taxes to meet financial needs. TN thinking income taxes should be implemented to make financial gain for the state. Across the country SIN taxes are all being looked at to be raised and in some cases 400%. OH shit, I think I just joined Jack Lemon as a grumpy old man. MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #40 April 30, 2009 What a dumbass move. I think Texas should secede over this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,071 #41 April 30, 2009 >I think Texas should secede over this. At the very least, 747 teabags should be thrown in NY harbor to illustrate how serious this error was. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #42 May 1, 2009 Quote Max, I was thinking that we could move along from blaming the POTUS for this one event when Louis owned up to it. I agree that "We the People" should keep a watchful eye on OUR government. The washing hands thing, IMO, was an attempt at calming any mass hesteria. One child (From mexico where he was infected at the time) died in the US from "Swine Flu" and several more are infected, but in treatment. In TN alone 700 people die annualy from the "normal every day" flu. I think the CDC should be concerned but I do not think we are in an epidemeic, yet. Maybe washing our hands after covering our mouths will help. Parents tell thier kids that every day (I hope!). I just think there are bigger things to talk about, like the economy dropping 6.1 percent again last quarter. Proposed Defense cuts will close more factories in regions already floundering and this after we poured billions into stupid stuff like the soon to file for bankruptcy auto makers. California raising fees and taxes to meet financial needs. TN thinking income taxes should be implemented to make financial gain for the state. Across the country SIN taxes are all being looked at to be raised and in some cases 400%. OH shit, I think I just joined Jack Lemon as a grumpy old man. Matt Oh of course, I wasn't blaming President Obama anyway, I was blaming the head of the White House Military Office...who's not in the military... It's funny you should mention the GDP drop of 6.1%....notice how that question wasn't asked last night? So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 8 #43 May 1, 2009 Quote I'd like to hear the reasoning for that "directive". Lets say I told everyone in the city that we will be conducting a mission, which would leave us VERY vunerable to fire and great loss of life as well as millions of dollars in aircrafts... Do you think that would be a great idea? Think about this, not everyone in NYC is a good guy, there may be someone who wants to take that shot just to make an impression. Most people in the military understand that and we keep our mouths shut. You never know what little bit of information would ruin your whole day. Im not saying that the flyby was a great idea, I think it was retarded. Last thing I wanted to see on the news while I'm deployed was another big jet flying low around NYC."I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piper17 1 #44 May 1, 2009 "VERY vulnerable to fire and great loss of life"???? Are you saying that there are peoiple in NYC with the capability of shooting down a 747? If that is true, then what is being done to locate those persons and weapons???? AND, how could this be in a city that bans almost all personal weapons???"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition"...Rudyard Kipling Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 8 #45 May 1, 2009 Im saying that the possibility exists, and would you rather be safe or sorry?"I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #46 May 1, 2009 Quote AND, how could this be in a city that bans almost all personal weapons??? So since there is a law in place, in a city that large, you believe that someone or a group of persons couldn't smuggle something in. Something that may be currently illegal by federal law?--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 8 #47 May 1, 2009 Quote Are you saying that there are people in NYC with the capability of shooting down a 747? Are you saying that there isn't?"I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #48 May 1, 2009 QuoteQuote Are you saying that there are people in NYC with the capability of shooting down a 747? Are you saying that there isn't? Chuck Norris could do it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,071 #49 May 1, 2009 >Are you saying that there are peoiple in NYC with the capability of shooting >down a 747? Most likely, yes. The odds of such a person existing increases with the number of people in an area. Heck, they occasionally find bulletholes in airliners during inspections, so it's not even unheard of for people to shoot at (and hit) airliners. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #50 May 1, 2009 QuoteChuck Norris could do it. Thank god he lives near Navasota, Texas at his ranch, or he could have stared the plane down until it was propelled into the sun!--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
