jshaver123 0 #1 May 2, 2009 Zeitgeist was first released in June of 2007 as and experiment for freedom of speech and thought... The Zeitgeist Movement is a grass roots campaign to unify the world through a common ideology based on the fundamentals of life and nature. This movement ignores politics, religion and the like, and instead attempts to communicate how all humans are the same at the fundamental level and how it is time we start to work together on a global scale to end the seemingly perpetual conflict and suffering in our current world society. If you haven't watched I highly recommend it. It's hard for some people to have an open mind to watch the whole movie.... You may not believe or change your views on everything but I guarantee at least one thing u believe will be altered after this movie Best Quote from the movie "They must find it difficult... Those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority." -Gerald Massey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jshaver123 0 #2 May 2, 2009 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-594683847743189197 here is the link to the movie. also go to zeitgeistmovie.com to watch zeitgeist: Addendum the second one if you like the first Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #3 May 2, 2009 I wish there was simply a yes or no without the editorial comments or there were a greater selection of editorial comments. I think calling it "awesome" would be an overstatement. I also think "They're just lies" is too non-specific. Yes, I've seen it. I checked the "awesome" box, because it's the closest, but till not entirely accurate.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jshaver123 0 #4 May 2, 2009 Yea that is my fault... hahaha normally people pick one extreme or the other because of the inability to be open minded.... I would have to agree that its a good movie as well not necessarily awesome. Next time ill put the middle ground as well.... And I also agree that the movie isnt completely accurate like any film or text... For someone to say that everything they put forth is accurate or the truth is just being ridculus Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flighty 0 #5 May 2, 2009 It has all been pretty much debunked. These guys do a quick and dirty summery: http://atheistexperience.blogspot.com/2008/12/unofficial-atheist-experience-response.html ~Cindy~ Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari? Spelling and grammar errors are left as an exercise for the reader. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jshaver123 0 #6 May 2, 2009 Anything can debunked. But most debunkers use the bible as there evidence. How can someone use something that it self is not proof to be 100% accurate or the truth. With the second part they debunk it by saying it conspiracy theory... without giving why they think it is. And yes I was in NYC on the day the towers fell.... The third part is normally debunked by people saying that if you take these arguments to court without paying taxes you will basically be laughed at..... Which is true... But the fact, and I am finishing up my degree in accounting and finances, is that there is no written law that says you have to pay income tax... and that its unconstitutional because its is a apportioned tax... and all taxes must be apportioned to be constitutional.... Watch the movie with an open mind and do your own research.... Just because someone else says its right or wrong doesnt mean you will think that... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #7 May 2, 2009 QuoteBut the fact, and I am finishing up my degree in accounting and finances, is that there is no written law that says you have to pay income tax... and that its unconstitutional because its is a apportioned tax... and all taxes must be apportioned to be constitutional. Ratified February 3, 1913, per requirements set forth in Article V of the Constitution of the united States of America: Amendment 16 The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration. Someone recently posted exact US Code passages regarding income tax in this very forum. Quote… do your own research. Indeed.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jshaver123 0 #8 May 3, 2009 Yes its true however Secretary of State Philander Knox fraudulently announced ratification. For the 16th amendment to be ratified there need to be 3/4 voter in congress that never occurred. Congress only got 74% of the vote not 75%. because Ohio wasn't officially a state yet... If Ohio was a state then that means 36 out of 48 making 75% but since they weren't a state it was 35 out of 47 making only 74% There is a current court case going on U.S. v Benson that is fighting to show this never truly happened... So yes I have done my research on the income tax paper and have wrote a 22 page paper on the court case stated above.... Also William Taft, the one who proposed the amendment in Presidential speech and introduced it to Congress, was born in Ohio in 1857... Why is this important... Because in 1857, Ohio was yet to become a state. And all presidents must be a natural born citizen. Ohio didn't become a state officially until 1953. So Taft should never have been given the chance to be president. Which makes the amendment unconstitutional since he wasn't a natural born citizen and in the constitution it states all presidents must be natural born.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nanook 1 #9 May 3, 2009 QuoteOhio didn't become a state officially until 1953 Actually 1953 was the date George Bender sent a bill up that would make Ohio a state retroactively for 1803. But it wasn't needed: 2 Stat. 173, again, stated that "[the State of Ohio], when formed, shall be admitted into the Union upon the same footing with the original states in all regards whatever"-- in plain English: 'once the State government has been formed, the State is considered admitted to the Union'... the question, then, is: 'When was Ohio's government "formed"?' read 2 Stat. 201, where it is emphatically declared that "the said State has become one of the United States of America"- implying that, at the time of this Act was passed by Congress and signed into law by President Jefferson (19 February 1803), Ohio was already a constituent State of the Union... as of when?-- once "the people... did... form for themselves a constitution and State government in pursuance of" 2 Stat. 173: in other words, 29 November 1802- the date the constitutional convention in Chillicothe formally adopted Ohio's State Constitution. Indeed, I have quite a few reference works on American History from just before and after the Turn of the Last Century which list that date as that of Ohio's Admission (which suggests to me that at least some historians, active long before the controversy of the early 1950s erupted, read the same statutes I did and in pretty much the same way!). http://www.thegreenpapers.com/slg/explanation-ohio-statehood.phtml This seems to cover Ohio's questionable statehood well. I would suggest checking out the actual statutes themselves if this example isn't legitimate enough for you._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #10 May 4, 2009 THE fundamental of life and nature is survival. After that comes a bunch of 2nd level needs. Good luck getting everyone in the world on the same page as to how to meet those needs; much less agreeing on what they are. Humans are hard-wired for survival, and to take care of themselves first, the local group second, and the bigger group last. The larger the community, the less likely to have full agreement. Politics IS the process of those who think they have the answers attempting to convince everyone to be like them. The movie itself is too full of sensationalism, half-truths, and conspiracy BS to be anything more than good entertainment." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #11 May 4, 2009 QuoteZeitgeist was first released in June of 2007 as and experiment for freedom of speech and thought... The Zeitgeist Movement is a grass roots campaign to unify the world through a common ideology based on the fundamentals of life and nature. This movement ignores politics, religion and the like, and instead attempts to communicate how all humans are the same at the fundamental level and how it is time we start to work together on a global scale to end the seemingly perpetual conflict and suffering in our current world society. If you haven't watched I highly recommend it. It's hard for some people to have an open mind to watch the whole movie.... You may not believe or change your views on everything but I guarantee at least one thing u believe will be altered after this movie Best Quote from the movie "They must find it difficult... Those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority." -Gerald Massey Maybe I didn't see the same thing you did but it came off to me as saying that everything was a conspiracy. The irony of this supposedly Open Minded campaign is that if you don't believe exactly what they're saying then you are Closed Minded and wrong."I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jshaver123 0 #12 May 4, 2009 not at all I like the fact it gives another option... I just like debating controversial topics... I didn't say I believe exactly what they say i have my own opinions. As everyone should... But most people try to debunk something cause its not what they believe... And the same people dont understand that people can debunk the bible or other things they believe as well.... However, I dont wanna live in a place where everyone agrees with my views or everyone to there views it would be boring... Thanks to those who have posted and keep open minds. BTW, I love that quote lol... by far one of my favorites so far.. ALso pirana is right in that our nature is survival.... And is the reason everyone will never agree on a single topic.... But the ones in power know this and use against us.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jshaver123 0 #13 May 4, 2009 in plain English: once the State government has been formed, the State is considered admitted to the Union... Well, If thats true the Puerto Rico is the 51st because they are a territory of USA and has a state government as they elect a governor and mayors as well as has there own state constitution... or at least they should in plain English.... many of states received statehood in diff ways. There is not one definitive way to receive statehood... There mostly diff scenarios....so to say just because they had a state government doesn't mean they are a state..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nanook 1 #14 May 4, 2009 Nope. Puerto rico is an unincorportated territory. Ohio was incorporated. Different constitutional rules apply_____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #15 May 4, 2009 QuoteBecause in 1857, Ohio was yet to become a state. ??? 1857>1803Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
