TomAiello 26 #26 May 7, 2009 QuoteI am kinda wierd.. I expect those who crave attention and the limelight.. who use their pulpit to preach to the rest of us their biblicaly based morals.... I expect them to live their morality.... as they proclaim others should be doing... and they are not. Why? They're not forcing me to follow their particular brand of mystical mumbo jumbo. I'm just living my life how I want. I could care less how they live their lives. Now, if they come and force me to support their worldview, that's different. But just lecturing me about it? Whatever. They're are dozens of other folks with various other ideologies doing the same thing constantly, and it's easy for me to change the channel.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thanatos340 1 #27 May 7, 2009 Quote >This whole thing is blown way out of proportion. By people who say things like "the Lefts Approved "Politically Correct" Answer . . .witch hunt. Burn the Heathen . . . Grab a Pitchfork and BURN the Witch.. . . Burn her again!! Quick!" Yep. It is indeed getting blown out of proportion. But when the blowers complain that about the blowing it's sorta funny. Who are the Blowers and the Blowees?? It gets so confusing sometimes. Seriously.. Not all Conservatives preach the "Family Values" mantra. In fact some conservatives are not even Republicans. The irony is that the shift in Tolerance for opposing ideals. Which side is truly the more Tolerant now? The narrow minded ignorant religious right (Which I despise as much as the Ignorant narrow minded tree hugging socialist left ..ie the extremes on either end)) is known for their vehement opposition to those that do not agree with them. It is sad that the left is seemingly adopting a similar attitude. I support Gay Marriage (Actually I support equality.. Let the Government recognize Civil Unions (Not matter what sexes the Victims I mean newly joined are) and let the Religions and or Churches call it what ever they want as long as we all have the same rights). I fully support someones right to disagree with my opinion. who is doing the Blowing here?? Who made this an issues? Right wing Shock Jocks?? Fuck em. Leftist Media?? Screw them too. They all have a right to an opinion.. To me it comes across as the Left screaming: Quote "the Lefts Approved "Politically Correct" Answer . . .witch hunt. Burn the Heathen . . . Grab a Pitchfork and BURN the Witch.. . . Burn her again!! Quick!" Just as bad as when Falwell, Robertson or some other nutcase does the same on the other end of the spectrum. How times change. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #28 May 7, 2009 My favorite part of this whole fuss is her recent comment about encouraging "opposite marriage"... Quote Unless we bring men and women together, children will not have mothers and fathers." I think she should have a fling with Miss South Carolina. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeForsythe 0 #29 May 8, 2009 You seem to be conflicting your own statements. If this was a “beauty contest” as you claim, then neither the question nor the answer had any place there. You also seem to take a hypocritical position by definition on the issue. Proponents of same sex marriage have complained for years about persecution, name calling and lack of equality, yet when someone that defies the very definition of being a judge ask a contestant “her opinion” and she gives it, he calls her a “bitch” and persecutes her ever since for having a position that is opposite of his. In addition, the same sex supporters also take the same position. The same group denounced their being persecuted and called names. Talk about the very definition of being a hypocrite!!! As for the “wholesome image”, that one I have to laugh at. Just about every contestant up there has had some type of cosmetic enhancement. The whole half naked crap is just that. It is so subjective that who knows that answer. It could be clearly argued that the contestants were partially naked when they all walked across the stage that night. Also, the pictures in question that have been posted so far I don’t think would be considered naked in the fashion world, but who knows. Do you and the same sex marriage proponents really want her to be stripped of her crown? Remember, at this point she does have to conduct herself a certain way to stay within the constraints of her title. If that is removed, then she would be free to do and say what she wants. Given her support and popularity right now is that really what the same sex marriage proponents want? Also, if the standard is set that the pictures that are kind of standard in the fashion world will get you kicked out then how many more will it affect now and in the future. If anything, I would think you would be against the pageant its self since it clearly exploits women. I personally can’t believe that women today would even have anything to do with it. As for your persecution of her beliefs, do you really think that you are any better? She has stated that she respects other people’s choices why can’t you respect hers?Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #30 May 8, 2009 Quote As for your persecution of her beliefs, do you really think that you are any better? She has stated that she respects other people’s choices why can’t you respect hers? Well you are free to support her for your next presidential candidate. She seems to fit the profile that you prefer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,006 #31 May 8, 2009 >Remember, at this point she does have to conduct herself a certain way >to stay within the constraints of her title. If that is removed, then she >would be free to do and say what she wants. Uh, Mike, she's ALREADY doing and saying what she wants. She is doing TV interviews in violation of her contract. That's one of the reasons she's likely to lose the crown - using her position to promote her political beliefs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #32 May 8, 2009 Quote from cnn.com: "Although Neal said Prejean "breached her contract" by keeping the semi-nude photo or photos a secret, the only pictures published so far appear about as revealing as the bikini Prejean wore in the pageant's swimsuit competition. " They do wear small bikinis in the pageant but they can walk around with their arms waving and posing. Can't really do that when topless without exposing the girls... Before I thought she was an idiot but honest. I hate to say it, but Perez was right, she's a dumb bitch. Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeForsythe 0 #33 May 8, 2009 QuoteShe seems to fit the profile that you prefer.You seem to be consistently confused as to what I prefer so let me make it clear to you. I will not vote for anyone to be president that could not pass an employment background check that required a security clearance if they were to apply for a job with our government. All of the candidates offered something that I liked but there was not a single one that I agreed with 100%.Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeForsythe 0 #34 May 8, 2009 Quoteusing her position to promote her political beliefs.But it was okay for the judge to use his position to promote his???????? He opened the Pandora’s Box, not her. And it is not a political belief; it is a moral choice that has been made political by others.Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #35 May 8, 2009 Here's the problem, when asked if she had posed topless she gave this answer... http://www.nbc.com/miss-usa-2009/video/clips/miss-arizona-interview-round/1088658/Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,006 #36 May 8, 2009 >But it was okay for the judge to use his position to promote his? ?? He did not use his position as a platform to give a political speech. He asked her a question. Now, does he have the right to say whatever he wants on the blog he pays for? Yes, and I'm sure you would agree that everyone does. Was he a douche about it? Yes. >And it is not a political belief . . . If politicians were not trying to legislate against gay marriage I would agree. But they are - therefore it's quite political. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #37 May 8, 2009 Quote>But it was okay for the judge to use his position to promote his? ?? He did not use his position as a platform to give a political speech. He asked her a question. A political question, and one which had only one "acceptable" answer. She could either answer truthfully and set off a firestorm, or give some politically correct answer. Looks to me like she was kind of set up there.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redlegphi 0 #38 May 8, 2009 QuoteQuote>But it was okay for the judge to use his position to promote his? ?? He did not use his position as a platform to give a political speech. He asked her a question. A political question, and one which had only one "acceptable" answer. She could either answer truthfully and set off a firestorm, or give some politically correct answer. Looks to me like she was kind of set up there. If he had asked "Do you believe in interracial marriage?" and she had given a similar response, would you still be claiming she was set up? Would people still be yelling about her right to express her opinion if she had come out as a Holocaust denier? Just because we have a right to express our opinions doesn't mean we won't be held accountable for them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BDashe 0 #39 May 8, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuote>But it was okay for the judge to use his position to promote his? ?? He did not use his position as a platform to give a political speech. He asked her a question. A political question, and one which had only one "acceptable" answer. She could either answer truthfully and set off a firestorm, or give some politically correct answer. Looks to me like she was kind of set up there. If he had asked "Do you believe in interracial marriage?" and she had given a similar response, would you still be claiming she was set up? Would people still be yelling about her right to express her opinion if she had come out as a Holocaust denier? Just because we have a right to express our opinions doesn't mean we won't be held accountable for them. Well, if gay marriage had been nationally legal for 75+ years and generally accepted as interracial marriage is today that is one thing, but this gay marriage deal is still a hot topic. Holocaust denial and gay marriage? seriously is that a comparison? About half of us agree with her, and half of us dont in this country. I dont think being held accountable is the right verbiage here as she is being ridiculed and strung up for other peoples' personal agenda. Being held accountable is more like threatening someone's life then having a restraining order. She voiced her opinion on a current political issue, and her opposition is drastically over reacting. I don't think anyone could have predicted or prepared her for the public beating she is taking. It's like publicly supporting skydiving and then having greenpeace try and ruin you personally and professionally because you burn gas for a hobby. A vast over reaction. if she had come out and denied the holocaust then she may deserve this kind of treatment, but that just isnt the case. Did she pose nude? sort of, and yeah bill it is SUBJECTIVE, nothing was exposed to the camera which one could consider as nude as a bikini, someone else, on the other hand, may consider it nude. If i had a picture of me taken while covering my junk with something other than clothing (say... a 3' wrapping paper tube? he he he...) I would say ive never 'posed' nude, i was covered, so was she. Moral hypocrisy my @$$, she was just having modeling pics taken, and now people on the other side of her political spectrum are going to crucify her using any means necessary which is complete BS and makes that sid elook childish. Hopefully she makes millions off this. edit: as ive said, i dont even agree with her, but you lefties are just as bad as Beck's fake @$$ed tears on the air.So there I was... Making friends and playing nice since 1983 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,006 #40 May 8, 2009 >Did she pose nude? sort of, and yeah bill it is SUBJECTIVE . . . I didn't say she posed nude. The question they asked is "have you posed nude or semi-nude?" And no matter how you spin it, not even the best wordsmith can claim that posing for a camera wearing only a bikini bottom is not semi-nude. Again, I have no problem with that. She can do whatever she wants. The management of the beauty pageant can do whatever THEY want, too. And if she violates the terms of the contract she signed, they are entirely within their rights to strip her of the crown. If this bothers you, have your very own beauty contest, and let them pose however they want and say whatever they want. > If i had a picture of me taken while covering my junk with something other than >clothing (say... a 3' wrapping paper tube? he he he...) I would say ive never >posed' nude, And if you were asked "have you ever posed nude or semi-nude?" in court, and you said no, you might just end up in jail for perjury. Words do have meanings that do not change based on someone's political desires. >and now people on the other side of her political spectrum are going to crucify her . . . Dude, this is a BEAUTY CONTEST, not the Passion of the Christ. She's going to lose her crown because she violated the terms of the contract she signed. That's not being crucified, any more than losing your car because you don't want to make the payments any more. Talk about hyperbole . . . The right wing echo chamber is going to self-destruct one of these days. It would be funny if it's over something as stupid as a beauty contest. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redlegphi 0 #41 May 8, 2009 Quote Well, if gay marriage had been nationally legal for 75+ years and generally accepted as interracial marriage is today that is one thing, but this gay marriage deal is still a hot topic. Holocaust denial and gay marriage? seriously is that a comparison? The Loving case that finally killed all laws banning interracial marriage was in 1967, so it's more like 40 years. And the point of my bringing it up is that if a similar question was asked at a pageant in the 1960s, some would have answered similarly to Miss California did about homosexuals. So at that point in time, would you have been on the side of interracial marriage or would you be yelling about how the bigot beauty queen has a right to her opinion. Bringing up Holocaust denial was to point out that there are clearly opinions that people can hold that should be shouted down when they're expressed. A person can deny the Holocaust all they want, but they should expect to be shunned by most normal people if they choose to do so. Similarly, Miss California expressed her opinion that a group of Americans shouldn't have the same rights that all other Americans hold. To me and many others, that's a disgusting comment to make, so yes, she can expect flak, even if it is just a beauty pageant. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #42 May 9, 2009 Quote would say those who constantly TRUMPET FAMILY VALUES... do give a shit...... perhaps they should live by the do as I do not just as I say.Does parading your ass across a stage, 3/4 naked, in front of thousands or millions, count as family values, or should she have been wearing her nunnery costume, during that portion of the pageant? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #43 May 12, 2009 She kicked ass today!!! "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thanatos340 1 #44 May 12, 2009 Quote She's going to lose her crown because she violated the terms of the contract she signed. It seems the holder of that contract disagrees with you. She keeps her title. Summary of events: A Contestant in a Pageant gets asked a politically charged question by a known activist for one side of that issue. She gives an honest and well articulated answer. It is not the politically correct answer the Activist Judge (Or the Left in general) wanted to hear. IT WAS the same answer the Majority of the people in the State she was representing gave during the last election. For this, she was vilified by the press and these people started trying to find some way to strip her of her title. Modeling shots were turned up (None that I have so far that could not have been publicly displayed at most any check out line or news stand). More calls for her head. How dare she not give the Politically correct answer? How dare she give the exact same answer that the majority of people in the state she was representing had just given in the last election.I personally strongly disagree with her answer but I am glad that she did not back down. Hopefully one day she will realize that every one us should have the exact same rights but without sacrificing the right to have an unpopular (or “Non-Politically Correct”) opinion. Glad she keeps the title. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeForsythe 0 #45 May 12, 2009 Quote It seems the holder of that contract disagrees with you. She keeps her title. You must be mistaken, Bill could not be wrong!!!Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thanatos340 1 #46 May 12, 2009 I respect his opinion just as much as I do hers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #47 May 12, 2009 QuoteShe gives an honest and well articulated answer. That answer was not well articulated."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #48 May 12, 2009 Quote Quote She gives an honest and well articulated answer. That answer was not well articulated. In comparison to Arizona's answer, it was Shakespeare... Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #49 May 12, 2009 SHE KICKED ASS today. Her family and friends are proud to know her today. She stood up to liberal intolerance! Good for her. Good for our country!"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #50 May 12, 2009 QuoteI respect his opinion just as much as I do hers. At one time so did I......"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
