TypicalFish 0 #51 May 21, 2009 QuoteThe government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. This is my new email signature."I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #52 May 21, 2009 Quote No, we all don't. 40% don't at all. 40%? Really??? How can that be?When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverborg 0 #53 May 21, 2009 Quote>Please show me where in the bibble where its writters emphasised social >welfare over personal responsibility. ==================== Acts 2:40-48 (New King James Version) And with many other words he testified and exhorted them, saying, “Be saved from this perverse generation.” Then those who gladly received his word were baptized; and that day about three thousand souls were added to them. And they continued steadfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship, in the breaking of bread, and in prayers. Then fear came upon every soul, and many wonders and signs were done through the apostles. Now all who believed were together, and had all things in common, and sold their possessions and goods, and divided them among all, as anyone had need. ===================== Acts 4:34-4:35 (New King James Version) Nor was there anyone among them who lacked; for all who were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the proceeds of the things that were sold, and laid them at the apostles’ feet; and they distributed to each as anyone had need. ===================== Not necessarily intended directly towards you Billvon, but to anybody reading these verses. As Christians we should live up to these verses, and sadly most of us fail miserably and are too concerned with me me me. I do however think this is a model for how we are to live on a personal basis, and not a govt model. If the govt is in charge of wealth redistribution, then nothing we do comes from the goodness of our heart. Its easy to be generous with everyone else's money, but God wants to see what we personally are willing to sacrifice to help others and for His greater good. In addition to all this, I'm all about helping the helpless and less fortunate, but when you take the right from the people and put the govt in charge of it, then we lose the right to how that money is distributed, and then it becomes a crutch for people. I spend a lot of my time and money helping the less fortunate in my local society. There are those that need the help and those that would be better off without it. I am more than happy to donate my time and money helping that poor single mother struggling to feed her kids and make her rent. I do not think God would like His money paying for new spinners on an 86 Caprice, also I'll add that I don't think God likes his money building marble pillars in a megachurch as well. You take away our ability to make that decision, then you've taken away the freedom to give as we see fit. That's the problem I have with socialism. Charities know when people need help, govt hands it out to everyone willing to suck that tit to get by. A lot more people would donate to charities and help other people if the govt didn't already take their income and redistribute it. To oppose socialism in no way contradicts these verses, in fact I view it quite the opposite. The church should be in charge of welfare, not the govt. If some on here still view that as being greedy, let me tell you that in addition to what I'm overtaxed already, I donate close to 15% of my takehome pay to different charities as I see the need, and that's not including the amount of time I donate either. Please do not take that as boasting because thats not my intention. Its just to point out that us die-hard capitalists are not the greedy people many want to portray us as. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #54 May 21, 2009 QuoteQuote No, we all don't. 40% don't at all. 40%? Really??? How can that be? Because the "rich" pay the overwhelming amount - I've posted about it in here several times.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #55 May 21, 2009 QuoteQuote No, we all don't. 40% don't at all. 40%? Really??? How can that be? It's federal income tax. Everyone pays sales tax. (*There are exceptions to sales tax for religious organizations, non-profits, and eductaional institutions ... not sure if there are any individual exemptions for sale tax. Anyone think of one?) A lot of folks who have no federal income tax due do still contribute tax revenue through payroll taxes and FICA. Some may also pay State taxes. /Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #56 May 22, 2009 QuoteQuote No, we all don't. 40% don't at all. 40%? Really??? How can that be? An excellent question with many answers. 1. Go where the money is. 2. Those who make more deserve to pay more 3. Taxing those who make less means they spend less. 4. Those who make more can afford to contribute more. Edited: Common answers from those who think its justified and should be even more slanted. The real answer is mostly due to #1. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #57 May 22, 2009 Quote A lot of folks who have no federal income tax due do still contribute tax revenue through payroll taxes and FICA. Some may also pay State taxes. /Marg True, but so does everyone else. They affect everyone equally. The burden of the federal budget is on the top earners of the country (and our grandchildren). -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
