More Police Brutality

[GeorgiaDon 379]

The reporter isn't in the helicopter, he's getting feed from a camera mounted on the underside so he only has the image on the screen to go by. At one point he comments that he isn't getting any communication from the helicopter. No doubt the pilot has his/her hands full watching for other aircraft. The reporter comments about a police helicopter also following the car driver as he's running, and often there will be other news choppers around as well.

Don

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[DougH 270]

That makes perfect sense.

Thumbs up for the distraction technique, kind of like the donkey punch of criminal take downs.

"The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall"
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[LongWayToFall 0]

Haha. Fuckin A.

Still though, how bout keep the gun out instead, and simply say "keep your hands right where they are now, and if you move I am going to shoot you."

If he moves, blow him away. If not, wait for another officer to get there and cuff him. No need for a kick to the face.

[DougH 270]

If the blow decreases the chance that the officer will be forced to get a itchy trigger finger, isn't it a win for the cop and for the perp?

I think this may be a case where being agressive and staying on step ahead of things is safer in the long run then being passive and having to react to a later situation (blam blam)!

"The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall"
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[Skyrad 0]

Bloody hell Andy, couldn't you find a cut down version, 5 minutes of the world most boring footage (how the hell does that make live news) As for the copper he looks like a total wanker.

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[Skyrad 0]

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What you could not tell from that video was the that suspect started speaking french in a condescending tone to the cop.

That alone should be enough to get shot...








The cop needs to be an inmate in Soledad.

Ahhh, well. It just goes to show how we can all be a bit hasty when it come to making a judgement call without having all the facts.

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[Skyrad 0]

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He should be in deep shit but no need to crucify him.

Yes there is every need. He is a thug and needs to be sacked. He lost control and kicked that guy in the head for fucks sake - that's not the kind of person I want taking my tax money.

But at least he's not the Speaker of the house of commons!

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[piisfish 140]

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Literally? Alright, specifically what should be the punishment for this?

stoning ? foot chopped off ? decapitation ?

scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM

[rushmc 23]

Better example?

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2009/05/five_birmingham_police_officer.html

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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He should be in deep shit but no need to crucify him.

Yes there is every need. He is a thug and needs to be sacked. He lost control and kicked that guy in the head for fucks sake - that's not the kind of person I want taking my tax money.

Literally? Alright, specifically what should be the punishment for this?

He should be fired and face the same criminal charges I would in such a case, plus an additional charge for having done this while under the color of law.

Blues,
Dave

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(drink Mountain Dew)

[LongWayToFall 0]

Spike strip that motha fucka!!!

Hahahaha. Yeah that dude was totally unconscious when they started beating on him. Pretty fucked.

Moral of the story, don't run from police when you know you are not going to make it (A minivan, friggin A!). If you know you can get away, then get away RIGHT NOW and end the pursuit quickly. The longer it goes, the more chance you have of being caught. If you don't think you can get away, then just pull over and take the punishment you deserve anyways.

[rushmc 23]

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Spike strip that motha fucka!!!

Hahahaha. Yeah that dude was totally unconscious when they started beating on him. Pretty fucked.

Moral of the story, don't run from police when you know you are not going to make it (A minivan, friggin A!). If you know you can get away, then get away RIGHT NOW and end the pursuit quickly. The longer it goes, the more chance you have of being caught. If you don't think you can get away, then just pull over and take the punishment you deserve anyways.

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I will give police the benifit of the double every time.

Of course there are bad ones but, most of us do not live in the world they are in. Until proven otherwise, they did the right thing

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[skycop 0]

+1

I will give police the benifit of the double every time.

Of course there are bad ones but, most of us do not live in the world they are in. Until proven otherwise, they did the right thing

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I've been in several pursuits and the one thing I will say is some officers common sense goes out the window during pursuits. To me it's a question of professionalism and being able to stay calm and think clearly.

During many of my pursuits I was worried about other cops almost as much as the bad guy. I worked in a area with multiple agencies and some of the pursuits looked like the Blue's Brothers.
I was very concerned that another officer would wreck into me more than anything else, when there are mutiple units converging on one spot it can (and does) happen I've seen it.

It's easy to armchair quarterback a pursuit, but until you've been there and understand the dynamics and dangers, don't be so quick to judge one or two blows as the pursuit ends. The Birmingham video is somewhat different, the guy is obviously unconscious. I understand they are pissed that the guy tried to run over an officer but again, it's a question of professionalism.

BTW, when I was a supervisor I called off more pursuits then I was ever involved in. Many departments policies are limiting pursuits due to the danger and potential civil liability.

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[rushmc 23]

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+1

I will give police the benifit of the double every time.

Of course there are bad ones but, most of us do not live in the world they are in. Until proven otherwise, they did the right thing

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I've been in several pursuits and the one thing I will say is some officers common sense goes out the window during pursuits. To me it's a question of professionalism and being able to stay calm and think clearly.

During many of my pursuits I was worried about other cops almost as much as the bad guy. I worked in a area with multiple agencies and some of the pursuits looked like the Blue's Brothers.
I was very concerned that another officer would wreck into me more than anything else, when there are mutiple units converging on one spot it can (and does) happen I've seen it.

It's easy to armchair quarterback a pursuit, but until you've been there and understand the dynamics and dangers, don't be so quick to judge one or two blows as the pursuit ends. The Birmingham video is somewhat different, the guy is obviously unconscious. I understand they are pissed that the guy tried to run over an officer but again, it's a question of professionalism.

BTW, when I was a supervisor I called off more pursuits then I was ever involved in. Many departments policies are limiting pursuits due to the danger and potential civil liability.

Thanks for what you do. You will never get your due for it. I am sure you are not now paid enough for it.

I cant imagine making the choices/desions you do.

But, if it comes to getting your lights back on, I can help

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rehmwa 2]

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To me it's a question of professionalism and being able to stay calm and think clearly.

This is the only point that matters

A cop's gotta stay in control. If they lose it, they should not be cops. No matter what happens. it's the very definition of what the job should be.

I do NOT consider that holding a cop to a 'higher standard' than others. If a civilian beats on someone, they should get the Exact same treatment - arrested and tried in a court of law.

Cops do NOT administer justice, the courts do. If a cop beats a criminal AFTER they are subdued, the cops should be tried for assault.

Someone mentioned something about a 'higher standard' for cops. I hate that phase. People need to have standards and expectations for the themselves and others. Regardless of profession. I don't hold anyone to a 'lesser' set of personal standards. So the idea of a 'higher' set makes no sense.

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[skycop 0]

A cop's gotta stay in control. If they lose it, they should not be cops. No matter what happens. it's the very definition of what the job should be.

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Couldn't agree more, I tried to instill that in my officers.

Thanks for what you do. You will never get your due for it. I am sure you are not now paid enough for it.

Thanks, I retired from the city after 21 yrs, I did get a good pension. Now I work as a University Officer, it's uh lets say......much.....much ......different than working in the city.

My main point is a beating is one thing, a couple of blows AS the pursuit ends is a different matter.

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[billvon 3,063]

> People need to have standards and expectations for the themselves
>and others. Regardless of profession.

Of course. Still, if you are trained to handle something, when in that field you are in fact held to a higher standard.

An AFF instructor is held to a higher standard than a coach. They MUST be able to ensure that ripcord gets pulled by 5000 feet. Doesn't mean they have to be shining examples of virtue, just means they have to do what they've been trained to do (which is a higher level of training than a coach.) And if a coach lets a student 'get away' that's a different level of severity than if an AFF-I lets one get away.

Likewise, an ordinary citizen that handles a situation with a criminal poorly is less liable if things get out of hand (IMO) - because that's not their job and expertise at it is not expected. It is not an excuse to beat them out of anger, of course. But if they don't know how else to stop him, and just clonk him over the head with the biggest pipe they can find, and it kills him - that is less of a mistake than the same action by a cop, who is trained to detain criminals without killing them.

[434 2]

“a tragic accident.” Shoot first, ask later policy is the very best to build up reputation.

Authorities have released surveillance video showing a burly sheriff’s deputy slamming a man head first into a wall earlier this month, leaving him in a coma.

Christopher Harris remains in critical condition at Harborview Medical Center, his family says. The 29-year-old had been pursued by deputies May 10 after a witness wrongly identified him as a suspect in an assault.

Sheriff’s Sgt. John Urquhart (URK’-hart), who released the video Thursday, says Deputy Matthew Paul did not violate policy in tackling Harris. He says Harris was trying to get away, and calls the injury “a tragic accident.”

A Harris family lawyer says the video and witness accounts show he was a victim of excessive force.

Watch the Video
http://newsone.blackplanet.com/nation/video-seattle-police-tackle-puts-man-in-coma/

[rhaig 0]

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A cop's gotta stay in control.

There's some name for the rule, but I've heard officers discuss it before "If you are not in control of the situation, no matter what you do, you can only make things worse."

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Rob

[skycop 0]

That is hardly a "police beating" as the title of the video suggests.
It unfortunate that this happened however, a 5 second video hardly tells the total situation. If knocking someone to the ground is a beating, then I've done that several times.

I did get sued (in the end he lost) for tackling a guy once, he said in his deposition that I had good form, go figure.
I tackled him after he struck and then fought one of my officers.

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[434 2]

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That is hardly a "police beating" as the title of the video suggests.
It unfortunate that this happened however, a 5 second video hardly tells the total situation. If knocking someone to the ground is a beating, then I've done that several times.

"The 29-year-old had been pursued by deputies May 10 after a witness wrongly identified him as a suspect in an assault."

"video showing a burly sheriff’s deputy slamming a man head first into a wall"

I dont argue with you about what happened before, I only see what is going on, and read what was in the text connected to the video. If every Police arrest should be done the same way, no wonder people try to run from the police guilty or not.

[skycop 0]

Again,
Neither you or I know what what the situation actually was. One thing I won't do, is rely on one line from a media report.

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[airtwardo 7]

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He was booked on charges of felony evading, parole violation, obstruction and or delaying a police officer in the performance of his duties and gang enhancement. Rodriguez, a known gang member, was taken to a county jail.

Not to mention the countless innocent people he easily could have injured or killed during the pursuit...

I blame incidents like this on the failings of the US education system.

Specifically 'complex' math~

Gang member + being on parole + running from the cops = getting yer ass kicked.

Easy as 1-2-3


Kicking people like that in the head is why as a taxpayer, I respect the police!

I'm glad no member of my family ended up as a smudge on that assholes grill...

I hope the boots were steel toed.

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[jcd11235 0]

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Kicking people like that in the head is why as a taxpayer, I respect the police!

Kicking people like that in the head is why as a taxpayer, I have virtually no respect for the police!

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[airtwardo 7]

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Kicking people like that in the head is why as a taxpayer, I respect the police!

Kicking people like that in the head is why as a taxpayer, I have virtually no respect for the police!

Sure you do, otherwise you would run from them every time they lit you up.

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