Butters 0 #1 May 20, 2009 Report: Church did little to stop decades of beatings, rapes, humiliations QuoteThe commission dismissed as implausible a central defense of the religious orders — that, in bygone days, people did not recognize the sexual abuse of a child as a criminal offense, but rather as a sin that required repentance. In their testimony, religious orders typically cited this opinion as the principal reason why sex-predator priests and brothers were sheltered within the system and moved to new posts where they could still maintain daily contact with children. But the commission said its fact-finding — which included unearthing decades-old church files, chiefly stored in the Vatican, on scores of unreported abuse cases from Ireland's industrial schools — demonstrated that officials understood exactly what was at stake: their own reputations. It cited numerous examples where school managers told police about child abusers who were not church officials — but never did this when one of their own had committed the crime. "Contrary to the congregations' claims that the recidivist nature of sexual offending was not understood, it is clear from the documented cases that they were aware of the propensity for abusers to re-abuse," it said."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #2 May 20, 2009 Quotethe Christian Brothers successfully sued the commission in 2004 to keep the identities of all of its members, dead or alive, unnamed in the report. No real names, whether of victims or perpetrators, appear in the final document. Irish church leaders and religious orders all declined to comment Wednesday, citing the need to read the massive document first. The Vatican also declined to comment. SNAFUWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DARK 0 #3 May 20, 2009 all the teeth of this report were removed from this (ten year old) probe when the christian brothers successfully sued them to stop the names being released the names should be released and the paedophiles up in court its a joke and if this abuse has happened here you can be sure its happened in every country in the world were religous orders like this were in charge of large amounts of childrens education Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmkellett 0 #4 May 21, 2009 Exactly. put loads of old perverted sex starved crazy bible bashing bigots in charge of little boys and you only get one outcome. its disgusting but unfortunately expected. As you so accurately pointed out, it will have happened everywhere, for ages. When society stops letting people that believe in vengeful angry demons be in charge of innocent young people, we might have less of this. But the last place I would ever send a kid is to a religious place of any sort, the very least that could happen is that they come out the other end brain washed and unable to think for themselves, the worst thing is what has happened here. Name the, and then hang them. the less believers the better. the world is too crowded for anyone unable to tow the line when it comes to simple stuff like should we abuse kids.... Then their silly god can judge them! D Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 348 #5 May 21, 2009 what kills me is that the church continues to defy, deny, pretend this stuff never happened, and every time it comes up, they act like they never knew...... Over TWENTY years ago, the church in Portugal Cove, Newfoundland was investigated for abuse, which started the whole pyramid to come tumbling down for the Catholic church in Canada. It all started there. Here in the USA, it was about 10 years ago, and they acted like "We never knew...." when in fact, the same pattern of abuses was pretty apparent throughout the church all over the world, and they way they handled it was about the same too. How people remain "Catholics" is beyond me...... After 20 years of discovery (a generation), there is no more excuse. Any further abuse discoveries should be prosecuted at the FULL EXTENT of any laws, since apparently the church has not come clean, and they have not tried (very hard) to clean up their act. As well, they continue to hide and protect the abusers within their own ranks, rather than oust them all. power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. The Catholic church, above all other religions, enjoyed absolute power for centuries and they abused it beyond all reasonable human limits. But that's OK, ask for forgiveness and you will not burn in hell, just purgatory for a while..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #6 May 21, 2009 I agree, its disgraceful. Old perverts higher up covering up for junior perverts. Its beyond belife that the Christian brothers, the Church in Ireland or the Vatican have not made any comment on this report. Shameful.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funjumper101 15 #7 May 21, 2009 One of the kids in my neighborhood was part of a Catholic family with seven kids. He was the oldest boy. His family was heavily involved in the local church. He was molested by the local priest many times. When he told his parents about it, he was whipped with a leather belt for lying about the priest, then shipped off to military school out west. The priest molested all three of his brothers as they were forced into involvement with the church by their parents. I ran into Dave many years later and got the story from him. The sick part is that his parents are still committed Catholics and go to the same church to this day. A fine demonstration of good christian values. Every victim of these sick fuckers and their protectors should be suing the Catholic church with the intention of bankrupting them and forcing them to close the doors forever. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #8 May 21, 2009 Its not just the Catholic Church I'm sure.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #9 May 21, 2009 QuoteIts not just the Catholic Church I'm sure. Really? At the institutional level? What else, in modern times (say, since turn of the 20th Century), compares closely? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #10 May 21, 2009 QuoteQuoteIts not just the Catholic Church I'm sure. Really? At the institutional level? What else, in modern times (say, since turn of the 20th Century), compares closely? NAMBLA?"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DARK 0 #11 May 21, 2009 QuoteQuoteIts not just the Catholic Church I'm sure. Really? At the institutional level? What else, in modern times (say, since turn of the 20th Century), compares closely? the catholic church just happens to have the presence it could have been any religon with roughly the same rules as the catholic church in charge of the schools and the same thing would have happened there is nothing inherant ONLY in catholicism that makes them turn into paedos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #12 May 21, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteIts not just the Catholic Church I'm sure. Really? At the institutional level? What else, in modern times (say, since turn of the 20th Century), compares closely? NAMBLA? I understand your point, but that's not what I meant. NAMBLA is not remotely equivalent to the Catholic Church in scope and breadth. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #13 May 21, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteIts not just the Catholic Church I'm sure. Really? At the institutional level? What else, in modern times (say, since turn of the 20th Century), compares closely? the catholic church just happens to have the presence it could have been any religon with roughly the same rules as the catholic church in charge of the schools and the same thing would have happened there is nothing inherant ONLY in catholicism that makes them turn into paedos You raise a valid point, but I can't help but theorize that the Catholic Church's requirement of celibacy among its clergy, nuns and monks tends to exacerbate this, compared to religions that permit their clergy to marry. Put more bluntly, I think that a requirement of celibacy among Catholic clergy and vocationists leads, especially in modern times, to a higher proportion of Catholic priests and nuns who are social oddballs to begin with than is the case in other religions that permit married clergy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #14 May 21, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteIts not just the Catholic Church I'm sure. Really? At the institutional level? What else, in modern times (say, since turn of the 20th Century), compares closely? NAMBLA? I understand your point, but that's not what I meant. NAMBLA is not remotely equivalent to the Catholic Church in scope and breadth. I know, I was being sarcastic. After all, not even an organization devoted to pedophilia can compare to the Catholic Church ..."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #15 May 21, 2009 QuoteYou raise a valid point, but I can't help but theorize that the Catholic Church's requirement of celibacy among its clergy, nuns and monks tends to exacerbate this, compared to religions that permit their clergy to marry. Don't forget about the Catholic Church's original argument that pedophilia was a sin but not a crime ..."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #16 May 21, 2009 QuoteQuoteYou raise a valid point, but I can't help but theorize that the Catholic Church's requirement of celibacy among its clergy, nuns and monks tends to exacerbate this, compared to religions that permit their clergy to marry. Don't forget about the Catholic Church's original argument that pedophilia was a sin but not a crime ... That's a different dynamic altogether: deliberate intellectual dishonesty. That is to say: lying. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,501 #17 May 21, 2009 Quote there is nothing inherant ONLY in catholicism that makes them turn into paedos Oh, well, if it's not just catholicism that covers up its own pedophiles then it must be ok.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DARK 0 #18 May 21, 2009 Quote Quote there is nothing inherant ONLY in catholicism that makes them turn into paedos Oh, well, if it's not just catholicism that covers up its own pedophiles then it must be ok. you kow thats not what i said Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #19 May 21, 2009 Another thing about this that pisses me off is that the Church is only going to be liable for €128M and WE the Irish tax payer is going to have to cough up €1 BILLION in compensation.. So we get to pay for old perverts kiddy fiddling while the Church that employed/employes them and covered it all up andis stinking rich gets off with paying next to nothing (In reletive terms) When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #20 May 21, 2009 Quote the Church is only going to be liable for €128M and WE the Irish tax payer is going to have to cough up €1 BILLION in compensation.. Why is that? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #21 May 21, 2009 Thats what I would like to know! I heard it on RTE news today but they didn't say why.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #22 May 22, 2009 Quote Quote the Church is only going to be liable for €128M and WE the Irish tax payer is going to have to cough up €1 BILLION in compensation.. Why is that? Quote Bertie Ahern, the Taoiseach, told the Irish parliament four years ago that the state accepted responsibility for those who suffered sexual and physical abuse in the institutions and would compensate them. The Comptroller and Auditor General said this week that the estimated bill could be one billion euros but that was based on just 10,000 of the 150,000 victims coming forward. If all survivors claimed, the Republic could face a bill of 15 billion euros (about £10.8 billion), a huge chunk of the country's 130 billion euro GDP. The Roman Catholic Church in Ireland, which ran the institutions where abuse was rife between the 1920s and the 1980s, has agreed an indemnity deal capped at 128 million euros. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1442995/Irish-child-abuse-pay-outs-will-cost-more-than-725m.html This is as fucked up as it gets. The people of Ireland are ripped off more than their fair share as it is, now this. FUBARWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #23 May 22, 2009 Quote If all survivors claimed, the Republic could face a bill of 15 billion euros (about £10.8 billion), a huge chunk of the country's 130 billion euro GDP. The Roman Catholic Church in Ireland, which ran the institutions where abuse was rife between the 1920s and the 1980s, has agreed an indemnity deal capped at 128 million euros. Looks like the Catholic Church is going to f**k the Irish twice ... "That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #24 May 22, 2009 Unbelievable. The government should sue the church for the full amount not expect us to pay.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DARK 0 #25 May 22, 2009 ye our goverment basically did a deal granting indemnity to the church as long as they agreed to pay 10% of the damages awarded in any lawsuit and the goverment would pay the rest it was a fucking disgrace of a deal but apparently there is no legal way around it now and the only way the christian brothers will have to pay more is if they decide to themselves out of the goodness of their hearts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
