rushmc 23 #176 June 8, 2009 QuoteQuote"I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experience would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn’t lived that life.” This is the quote that has already been shown to have been taken out of context in order to make it appear to be racist. The full quote was posted in this thread already. If that's the only example of Sotomayer offering racist comments, then the claims of racism seem unfounded. I have read the speech. I think the context is very clear."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #177 June 8, 2009 Quote No problem, counselor - just show us what was taken away from or added to that sentence to make it 'out of context'. THEN you can explain how EITHER sentence is NOT racist/sexist on it's face. Read this thread. I believe [nerdgirl] was the poster who posted Sotomayer's words in full context (several paragraphs, IIRC). I'm sure an IT pro like yourself can figure out how to navigate the thread. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #178 June 8, 2009 Quote Quote No problem, counselor - just show us what was taken away from or added to that sentence to make it 'out of context'. THEN you can explain how EITHER sentence is NOT racist/sexist on it's face. Read this thread. I believe [nerdgirl] was the poster who posted Sotomayer's words in full context (several paragraphs, IIRC). I'm sure an IT pro like yourself can figure out how to navigate the thread. Evidently it takes "an IT pro like myself" to compare the the speech to the quote and realize that the quoted sentence *IS*, in fact, complete. Maybe you should consider taking some IT classes, they might help your comprehension, if not your arrogance. Feel free to answer my questions from the prior post whenever you can summon up the gumption to do so.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #179 June 8, 2009 Quote... they might help your comprehension, if not your arrogance. Ease down there. You need to play the ball, not the player.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #180 June 9, 2009 Odd...by all means then, show us how race and sex were not her discriminating factors. If so, you have a tenable argument. If not, you don't. I won't hold my breath. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #181 June 9, 2009 QuoteEvidently it takes "an IT pro like myself" to compare the the speech to the quote and realize that the quoted sentence *IS*, in fact, complete. It may well be a complete sentence. That doesn't change the fact that it was quoted out of context. QuoteFeel free to answer my questions from the prior post whenever you can summon up the gumption to do so. Sorry, I'm not going to hold your hand so you can learn to navigate threads.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #182 June 9, 2009 You fail again to show us how race and sex were not her discriminating factors. You obviously have a reason for dodging this simple query. Could you enlighten us as to what that reason is, exactly? Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #183 June 9, 2009 Because he CAN'T answer it honestly - that's why he's intentionally mis-reading the questions so he can play semantics games (like usual) and avoid answering the questions (like usual).Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #184 June 9, 2009 Facing facts is not now, nor has it ever been, the liberal forte. Especially with regards to the race issue. It's amusing that now that the left is in power, the zero defect criteria for political appointees (which I've always been a critic of) is just not in vogue. They get a pass from both the leftists and their sycophant media. Criticizing a nominee or even identifying a fault, such as $100K in tax mistakes or making blatantly racist comments, is just mean and nasty now. The comparison with what was unleashed against Ashcroft, Pickering, et al is just stunning. The comparison between Trent Lott's comments that got him in hot water (I detest the man, btw) and those Judge Sotomayor made in the quote in question is just night and day - as are their vastly disparate effects on their careers. Can you see a reason - other than blatant hypocrisy and an equally blatant double standard by the left and their media? I can't. How about conduct of future confirmation hearings? I've always been for an up or down vote in a timely manner for presidential appointees. Do you think we'll get that the next time a conservative president is in office? I don't - not for a second. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #185 June 9, 2009 Oh, I agree - I made a reference to it upthread, substituting white male for latina woman. And, yes - the Left has a serious problem with 'do as I say, not as I do'. Of course, the Right does, too, but it doesn't seem nearly as blatant (exclusive of the completely lopsided news coverage, that is).Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #186 June 9, 2009 QuoteYou fail again to show us how race and sex were not her discriminating factors. You obviously have a reason for dodging this simple query. Could you enlighten us as to what that reason is, exactly? Two reasons. 1. It's already been addressed in this thread. 2. I've read the passage in context, and recognize that it isn't racist.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #187 June 9, 2009 You state it isn't racist yet show no proof whatsoever that the woman's statement does not show her discriminating based upon both race and sex. Try again - this time without dodging the query. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #188 June 9, 2009 Quote You state it isn't racist yet show no proof whatsoever that the woman's statement does not show her discriminating based upon both race and sex. It would be on you to support your accusation of racism without resorting to quoting the passage in context. Until that can be done, there is nothing to defend. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #189 June 9, 2009 Quote Quote You state it isn't racist yet show no proof whatsoever that the woman's statement does not show her discriminating based upon both race and sex. It would be on you to support your accusation of racism without resorting to quoting the passage in context. Until that can be done, there is nothing to defend. Wrong - the evidence has been submitted, in the form of her statement. Defend your assertion, counselor.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #190 June 9, 2009 QuoteWrong - the evidence has been submitted, in the form of her statement. Defend your assertion, counselor. The very statement on which you base your allegations of racism does not support those allegations if read in its entirety. Until a supportable allegation is made, there is nothing to defend.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #191 June 9, 2009 QuoteQuoteWrong - the evidence has been submitted, in the form of her statement. Defend your assertion, counselor. The very statement on which you base your allegations of racism does not support those allegations if read in its entirety. Until a supportable allegation is made, there is nothing to defend. Your opinion, obviously, since she DOES reference one race/sex being more capable than other. Your hypocrisy is showing, counselor.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #192 June 9, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Wrong - the evidence has been submitted, in the form of her statement. Defend your assertion, counselor. The very statement on which you base your allegations of racism does not support those allegations if read in its entirety. Until a supportable allegation is made, there is nothing to defend. Your opinion, obviously, since she DOES reference one race/sex being more capable than other. Your hypocrisy is showing, counselor. Have you even read her full comment? Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #193 June 9, 2009 ANOTHER DODGE! How nice. I have quoted her sentence entirely and shown how she racially and sexually discriminates. You've yet to counter. Answer the query or run with your tail between your legs. Choice is yours. May we infer that racial discrimination is OK with you by your refusal to address the query? Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #194 June 9, 2009 Quote I have quoted taken her sentence entirely out of context and shown am now trying desperately to draw attention from the fact that I have no evidence how that she racially and or sexually discriminates. Now your sentence reflects reality. Supply some evidence of racism, and we can address it. The sentence you continue wanting to interpret outside of the context in which it was made has already been addressed and shown to not be an example of racism or sexism.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #195 June 9, 2009 Incorrect yet again! Another dodge, as reality is just too tough for you to face. Fact: Judge Sotomayor clearly showed she discriminates based upon race and sex. Fact: You've failed to show otherwise, merely stating that you're correct sans evidence of any sort while completely ignoring the aforementioned fact. Irrefutable fact, indeed it is. Run from the facts as long as you like. Facts they do remain. That's a staple for you left wingers. Running from facts. Suppose we should expect it. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #196 June 9, 2009 QuoteIncorrect yet again! Another dodge, as reality is just too tough for you to face. Fact: Judge Sotomayor clearly showed she discriminates based upon race and sex. Fact: Your assertion lack an example that can withstand being read in the same context in which it was made. The example you claim supports your assertion has already shown to have been taken out of context in this thread. Try reading the thread from the beginning. I'm not dodging; I'm also not rehashing.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #197 June 9, 2009 Sotomayor apparently thinks that a "wise" Latino judge (also liberal and a woman - unspoken, but surely that was her implication) would have a richness of experience...blah, blah, right? So, perhaps we should consider that a "wise" Caucasian judge (also conservative and a man) would also have a richness of experience...such as knowing what it is like to be assumed by so many in modern society to be racist/sexist/homophobe/whatever (by liberals). Having experienced first-hand what that is like could be considered quite valuable to making decisions on the Supreme Court. Such cases of discrimination are being decided at the SC, so therefore he would be more "wise", would he not? It is just as valid an argument as the racist/sexist argument Sotomayor made. It is also a racist/sexist argument.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,541 #198 June 9, 2009 QuoteSo, perhaps we should consider that a "wise" Caucasian judge (also conservative and a man) would also have a richness of experience... It is every bit as valid. Of course, there would currently be 6 others who are also male, and 3 others who are also male and conservative, so it wouldn't be a very unique perspective on the SC. It was a stupid statement to make, frankly. Of course, at the time she wasn't being considered for the SC, she was trying to encourage Hispanic women to aspire professionally. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #199 June 9, 2009 QuoteOf course, there would currently be 6 others who are also male, and 3 others who are also male and conservative, so it wouldn't be a very unique perspective on the SC. So, you posit that these 6 men are all carbon copies and that their life experience as INDIVIDUALs is valueless? that the only definition of personal perspective is race, gender and (perceived from the outside) political beliefs? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,541 #200 June 9, 2009 When a perspective is described in those terms, then I'd have to say that they are the terms that are seen to matter. Everyone brings a different perspective -- I'd bring the perspective of incredibly articulate, intelligent and good-looking middle-aged Wendy But I do think that input from a variety of perspectives is valuable. Spending too much time soliciting them can be paralyzing, but not having them at all can lead to decisions that are made in an ignorant vacuum. Wendy P. There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
