Latest Review of Obama's "Speach"

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Bin Laden: Obama Speech Sows Seeds of Hatred

Thursday, June 4, 2009 1:09 PM

By: Dave Eberhart



As President Barack Obama called for a new beginning to relations between America and the Islamic world in Cairo Thursday, Osama bin Laden was heaping praise on the criminal perpetrators of the 9/11 attacks.


For those who thought Obama’s speech might hamper the message of radical Islam, a new rash of vitriol and threats from al-Qaida chieftains may seem like a slap in the face.


In an audio message aired on Al-Jazeera TV, Bin Laden proclaims: “Obama and his administration have sown new seeds that will increase hatred and vengeance towards America,” that President Obama is “following in the footsteps of his predecessor,” and that “the American people should prepare to continue to reap what the leaders of the White House are sowing,” according to the latest briefing from The Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI).


In another audio message, posted on the Islamist website Al-Faluja, and titled “The Hangmen of Egypt and Those Who Collaborate with the U.S. Welcome Obama,” al-Qaida deputy leader Ayman al-Zawahiri calls Obama a “global criminal” and says that he is neither wanted nor welcome in Egypt.


In his message, al-Zawahiri states that Obama, a “global criminal” and “the chief of the oppressors,” did not need to come to Egypt in order to make his address to the Muslims, which is nothing but empty slogans -- because his true messages have already reached the Muslims.


Those true messages, according to al-Zawahiri, are deeply etched in the actions of the American president.


All-in-all, according to MEMRI, the al-Qaida leadership says it has lost faith in the new president because of the following inventory of perceived transgressions: Obama’s visit to the Western Wall in Jerusalem prior to being elected president; his promise, in his speech to AIPAC, that Jerusalem would remain the united capital of Israel forever; his sanction of Israel’s aggression against Gaza; his threat to send more troops to Afghanistan and to step up the bombing of the tribal areas in Pakistan; and his refusal to send an American delegation to the anti-racism conference in Geneva.


In the al-Zawahiri text provided by the Middle East Media Research Institute, the bashing of Obama continued unabated:


“...by ordering Zardari and his army to prevent the people of Swat Valley from instating Islamic law, by means of killing, fighting, bombing, and destruction. This led about one million Muslims -- women, children, and the elderly - to flee their villages and their homes, and they have become homeless refugees living in tents, after having led honorable lives in their homes.


“This simply means that Obama and his administration have sown new seeds that will increase hatred and vengeance towards America. These seeds are as many as the number of refugees from Swat Valley and the tribal areas in north and south Waziristan, as well as the number of their sympathizers.


“By this, Obama is following in the footsteps of his predecessor, increasing the enmity of the Muslims, as well as the number of fighting enemies, and initiating prolonged wars. The American people should prepare to continue to reap what the leaders of the White House are sowing, in the years and decades to come...


“Asif Zardari and Ashfaq Kayani have continued to divert the [Pakistani] army from its main missions -- the defense of Islam, its followers, and its land. They have pushed the army to fight Islam and its followers. They have directed it to fight and kill the Pashtun and Baloch tribes. Most of the Pakistani people reject this oppressive war. Zardari did this in response to the people who pay him in the White House -- not 10 percent, but many times more.


‘High Treason’


“This is high treason against the [Islamic] nation. I’m not just saying that in this war of his, he has exposed the economy of Pakistan to the danger of collapse. There is something even more important and dangerous. In this war of his, he is jeopardizing the religion, security, and unity of the people of Pakistan, by implementing an American, Jewish, Indian conspiracy.


“Thus, it is easier for India to bring the disintegrating Pakistani provinces, one after the other, under its influence, just like in the case of the former East Pakistan, or even worse. This will alleviate the American concerns about the Pakistani nuclear weapons, and India will join it in its fight against the mujahedeen...


“I would like to address a few words to America. Some reasonable and just people in research centers there may deduce from this what leads people to fight America and take revenge upon it, while what I say is completely ignored by those agents of the large corporations in the White House.


“I say that the free men who carried out 9/11 had not tasted the bitterness of being driven from their homes and their lands, to be sheltered by tents and beg for food. But these 19 men heard that this oppression was the lot of their brothers in Palestine, at the hand of the Zionists, using American weapons. Therefore, they left their schools and their universities, at the first opportunity to support the oppressed over there, and to punish the oppressors in America. So how would they have acted if they had indeed suffered these catastrophes?”


Al-Zawahiri further stated that Obama’s decision to address the Muslims from Turkey and Egypt in itself carries a clear message to the Muslims -- namely that the U.S. prefers those who stray from Islam and recognize secularism, and supports the corrupt and tyrannical regimes that collaborate with it.




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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
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Obama's "Speach"

Sigh. Some things are just a lost cause.

[TankBuster 0]

Not sure it was only the Rachel Madeux show or if all the media coverage of the speech had it - but a digital banner across the bottom of the screen read "Barack Husein Obama." This past summer he and the media all but outlawed his middle name. That's what I want in a president - a chameleon.

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But... but... I thought that all the muslims would love us once Barack Hussein was elected! He promised!

[TomAiello 26]

Actually, I didn't see anything in there that diverged from the last guy's speeches very far. Which is also the case with his foreign policies--the new guy is pretty much the same as the old guy.

In that sense, then, the face change in the white house has been a major public relations triumph for the US. Despite engaging in virtually identical foreign policies, we've managed to convince huge numbers of people overseas (some of them on this forum, I've noticed), that it's "all better now" and that they can all love the new and improved USA.

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Actually, I didn't see anything in there that diverged from the last guy's speeches very far. Which is also the case with his foreign policies--the new guy is pretty much the same as the old guy.

In that sense, then, the face change in the white house has been a major public relations triumph for the US. Despite engaging in virtually identical foreign policies, we've managed to convince huge numbers of people overseas (some of them on this forum, I've noticed), that it's "all better now" and that they can all love the new and improved USA.

Everyone except those that actually want to kill us. They're actually more pissed.

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Oh, I think that the Al-Qaida guys are just upset that Obama didn't invite them over for a slumber party at the White House.

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The last major event of this type was the Camp David accords.

The Egyptians had it handed to them by the Israelis and realized
that it was not in their interests to try it again.

In 1979, they signed and the Israelis bargained away some
territory.

The Arab League tossed them out.

Events escalated and eventually Sadat was assassinated by
his own troops a couple of years later.

Hopefully, since the US has a large relationship with Kuwait
and SA, perhaps things won't move in the extremists favor.

Based on the occasional terrorist attack at Egyptian seaside
resorts, I wouldn't count it. AQ will probably increase activities
in Egypt in the short term, just to make a point.

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So you have to stoop to using the words of Bin Laden to attack the president of your own country.
Your hatred knows no bounds.
It is pitiful.

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So you have to stoop to using the words of Bin Laden to attack the president of your own country.
Your hatred knows no bounds.
It is pitiful.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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But... but... I thought that all the muslims would love us once Barack Hussein was elected! He promised!

Actually he was well received. When was the last time you heard a predominantly Muslim audience applauding a US President? As for bin Laden (if that's really his voice) did you think that he was going to change his stripes because Bush was gone? Methinks he dost protest too much. Bush was bin Laden's most prolific and effective recruiter. If Obama can divide what Bush was uniting then the bin Laden's of the world will have much tougher time. And that's a good thing, right?

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But... but... I thought that all the muslims would love us once Barack Hussein was elected! He promised!

Actually he was well received. When was the last time you heard a predominantly Muslim audience applauding a US President? As for bin Laden (if that's really his voice) did you think that he was going to change his stripes because Bush was gone? Methinks he dost protest too much. Bush was bin Laden's most prolific and effective recruiter. If Obama can divide what Bush was uniting then the bin Laden's of the world will have much tougher time. And that's a good thing, right?

Only if you read US news accounts.

Look at some from France and others.

Not looking so good.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Only if you read US news accounts.

Look at some from France and others.

Not looking so good.

Actually, it does look pretty good. I'm sure that we could spend the rest of the day parsing and cherry picking quotes from across the globe to support our arguments. However that fact on its own is a sign of vast improvement over the previous, nearly universal condemnation of our President's rhetoric.

I think it was a great speech and couldn't find much to criticize. The proof will be in how well Obama pursues his stated goals. It's a good start with regards to initiating a peace process between Israel and Palestine. And I think the timing of a well received speech in Cairo may have a positive impact, even if only slight, in the upcoming Iranian election. Then again, maybe not, but that's a heck of a lot better than "no way in hell" so we're on the right track.

Also, if we're going to talk about his "speach", which I thought this thread might address, we should at least have his speech as a reference.

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Sounds like AQ are scared, if they feel the need to denoince Obama and his speech then clearly they saw it as important. Their fear is that millions of ordinary Muslims around the world will consider what he had to say and maybe think differently about the future. So some mud hut dwelling dead man walking terrorist didn't like it, hardly suprising. But AQ represent no one but themselves.

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Actually, I didn't see anything in there that diverged from the last guy's speeches very far. Which is also the case with his foreign policies--the new guy is pretty much the same as the old guy.

In that sense, then, the face change in the white house has been a major public relations triumph for the US. Despite engaging in virtually identical foreign policies, we've managed to convince huge numbers of people overseas (some of them on this forum, I've noticed), that it's "all better now" and that they can all love the new and improved USA.

Everyone except those that actually want to kill us. They're actually more pissed.

Who cares, they're already doing their best to destroy everyone else anyway.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

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But... but... I thought that all the muslims would love us once Barack Hussein was elected! He promised!

Actually he was well received. When was the last time you heard a predominantly Muslim audience applauding a US President? As for bin Laden (if that's really his voice) did you think that he was going to change his stripes because Bush was gone? Methinks he dost protest too much. Bush was bin Laden's most prolific and effective recruiter. If Obama can divide what Bush was uniting then the bin Laden's of the world will have much tougher time. And that's a good thing, right?

There was also many crys of 'We love you!' from the crowd.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

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Only if you read US news accounts.

Look at some from France and others.

Not looking so good.

Actually, it does look pretty good. I'm sure that we could spend the rest of the day parsing and cherry picking quotes from across the globe to support our arguments. However that fact on its own is a sign of vast improvement over the previous, nearly universal condemnation of our President's rhetoric.

I think it was a great speech and couldn't find much to criticize. The proof will be in how well Obama pursues his stated goals. It's a good start with regards to initiating a peace process between Israel and Palestine. And I think the timing of a well received speech in Cairo may have a positive impact, even if only slight, in the upcoming Iranian election. Then again, maybe not, but that's a heck of a lot better than "no way in hell" so we're on the right track.

Also, if we're going to talk about his "speach", which I thought this thread might address, we should at least have his speech as a reference.

Oh, I spelled as intended here. After all, the first line of the post had the "correct" spelling now didnt it.

But, I know is it joke many will miss......... and have done so

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Oh, I spelled as intended here. After all, the first line of the post had the "correct" spelling now didnt it.

But, I know is it joke many will miss......... and have done so

I noticed the quotation marks in the thread title and wanted to see if that's where the thread was going. But with regard to the OP, I'd say that al Qaeda doesn't care for Obama's speech or his speach. Which is just fine with me.

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Oh, I spelled as intended here. After all, the first line of the post had the "correct" spelling now didnt it.

But, I know is it joke many will miss......... and have done so

I noticed the quotation marks in the thread title and wanted to see if that's where the thread was going. But with regard to the OP, I'd say that al Qaeda doesn't care for Obama's speech or his speach. Which is just fine with me.

On that you and I will agree

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Bin Laden: Obama Speech Sows Seeds of Hatred

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© 2009 Newsmax. All rights reserved.

So you have to stoop to using the words of Bin Laden to attack the president of your own country.
Your hatred knows no bounds.
It is pitiful.

You are exactly right, there are plenty of rednecks in here that pretend to be 'for' democracy and freedom but are not happy until they are playing with their toys and 'schmokin 'em' out'.

There are far too many of them in here and they seem to think it is O.K. to think like that because they have others here that agree with them (surprise surprise).

An individual in a bunch of idiots, is still an idiot!

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

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>Everyone except those that actually want to kill us. They're actually more pissed.

So you want to appease our enemies now? You guys have GOT to make your minds up.

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Bin Laden: Obama Speech Sows Seeds of Hatred

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© 2009 Newsmax. All rights reserved.

So you have to stoop to using the words of Bin Laden to attack the president of your own country.
Your hatred knows no bounds.
It is pitiful.

Looking at your posts about Bush, this seems rather hypocritical.

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[billvon 3,009]

>After all, the first line of the post had the "correct" spelling now didnt it.

Well, to be fair, that was cut-and-pasted from Newsmax.

(BTW it was literally the correct spelling, so the quotes don't really make sense.)

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Everyone except those that actually want to kill us. They're actually more pissed.

They already wanted to kill us. Making them "more" pissed than that isn't really something I'm worried about. What will they do, kill us twice?


In general, I'm disappointed that Obushma appears to be following his predecessor's foreign policy almost precisely as it was laid out (largely by Dick Cheney, apparently). I had hoped for substantive changes which have so far not occurred.

However, I do think that the face change in the White House has given the USA a big public relations boost, and since this set of conflicts are largely about public relations, that's very good.

I'd prefer that our government protect us by making conciliatory speeches that defuse radicalism, rather than by the much more expensive means of seeking out and killing the radicals after they are already in action. I realize that both are necessary to some extent, but I think that the first, because it's much cheaper (and because an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure) is well worth emphasizing.

So, I'm hopeful that Obushma will enact some real policy changes (like spending a lot less of my money on trying to bring democracy and equality to places I don't care about), in addition to his lofty words. Lofty words were available in plenty eight years ago, and they didn't do much in the long term.

-- Tom Aiello

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Everyone except those that actually want to kill us. They're actually more pissed.

There are basically two kinds of group which "want to kill us". One (smaller) is there for money/power, and there is nothing you could do against it. Another one (a larger one) is heavily influenced by the first one, and it's possible to win their sympathy. Of course such attempts will make the first group hate you even more, but it doesn't really matter as no matter what you do they'll still want to kill you.

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