jakee 1,500 #51 June 9, 2009 QuoteQuoteTrue, but I would argue that it does mean that, as a default position, anything a library wants to stock and/or make available, it may do so. Yep. and the problem is? from the nutso Christian perspective, the problem is with stock they don't want seen. Uh, exactly! The library board has voted unanimously to keep the stock as is, and the nutso Christians are suing to prevent the board from being allowed to do that. Quotefrom a rights perspective, the problem is with stock that they do want seen, isn't available. What? That doesn't make sense either as a sentence or as part of the thread. What do you mean?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #52 June 9, 2009 Do you really go with your teenager to the library every time, and personally inspect every book before allowing them to remove it from a shelf and look at it? When my kids are, say 12 years old, I want to feel comfortable letting them run around in the library and look at things (and learn things). There are materials that I won't consider appropriate for my 12 year old to happen upon. I'd rather those materials were held apart in an area for adult (or parentally consented) access. Same goes for library computers. They have net nanny software precisely because I won't let my kid use them without it, and the library knows that, and wants my kids to be able to use them.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #53 June 9, 2009 Quote Do you really go with your teenager to the library every time, and personally inspect every book before allowing them to remove it from a shelf and look at it? When my kids are, say 12 years old, I want to feel comfortable letting them run around in the library and look at things (and learn things). When she's going into the children section, she could remove the books from shelf and look at it. But if she wants to go to adult section, she usually goes there with me, and I'm paying attention on what she's looking for. And of course I check out everything myself; this is actually the only way to ensure she would not get 20 books and lost half of them somewhere. Quote There are materials that I won't consider appropriate for my 12 year old to happen upon. I'd rather those materials were held apart in an area for adult (or parentally consented) access. I have no problem with those materials being in "adult area", as long as they are available to adults. However putting Heck Finn into adult area because it contains the word "nigger" is kinda overkill. Quote Same goes for library computers. They have net nanny software precisely because I won't let my kid use them without it, and the library knows that, and wants my kids to be able to use them. I think they do not have this software anymore.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #54 June 9, 2009 Quote When my kids are, say 12 years old, I want to feel comfortable letting them run around in the library and look at things (and learn things). There are materials that I won't consider appropriate for my 12 year old to happen upon. I'd rather those materials were held apart in an area for adult (or parentally consented) access. You lose me there. You can't selectively move books of a mature nature from a given subject and stick them in the backroom. You're now interferring with ease of access for adults. and/or creating a hell of a lot of logistical work for the library. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funjumper101 15 #55 June 10, 2009 QuoteQuote When my kids are, say 12 years old, I want to feel comfortable letting them run around in the library and look at things (and learn things). There are materials that I won't consider appropriate for my 12 year old to happen upon. I'd rather those materials were held apart in an area for adult (or parentally consented) access. You lose me there. You can't selectively move books of a mature nature from a given subject and stick them in the backroom. You're now interferring with ease of access for adults. and/or creating a hell of a lot of logistical work for the library. You wouldn't want parents to actually supervise their children while they are in a library, would you? That is an unreasonable infringement on parents rights to use public libraries as free, short term day care centers. Parents should be able to take their kids to a public library and have them wander around unsupervised at any time. Get with it, man. This isn't the sixties, the seventies, or even the eighties when parents were expected to supervise their children. That is the responsibility of the , or whoever is around where the kids are. Parents don't have near the responsibility that they used to. They handed it off to the government entiry that runs the library, beach, or pool, or the private company that owns the mall. If those folks fail to properly supervise the kids, then it is time to SUE for damages. Far be it that the PARENTS would take responsibility. Those days are over. The ME generation are parents now. You must not be from around here. ;-) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #56 June 10, 2009 personally I think if kids can learn how to use the Dewey system to find the juicy stuff, they've earned it. Given the nature of the types of books that are stocked, you have to work pretty hard to get past the really dull sex books. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dropoutdave 0 #57 June 10, 2009 I'd let these dickheads burn it, so long as I could burn any copies of the Bible in the library, because that offends me. Gotta work both ways ya know. ------------------------------------------------------ May Contain Nut traces...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #58 June 10, 2009 QuoteYou lose me there. You can't selectively move books of a mature nature from a given subject and stick them in the backroom. You're now interferring with ease of access for adults. and/or creating a hell of a lot of logistical work for the library. Sure you can, if "you" are the library board. Then "your" job is to maintain the most welcoming, accessible library for everyone. If that's how you think it's most likely to appeal to the broadest range of library patrons, that's what "you" do.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #59 June 10, 2009 QuoteQuoteYou lose me there. You can't selectively move books of a mature nature from a given subject and stick them in the backroom. You're now interferring with ease of access for adults. and/or creating a hell of a lot of logistical work for the library. Sure you can, if "you" are the library board. Then "your" job is to maintain the most welcoming, accessible library for everyone. If that's how you think it's most likely to appeal to the broadest range of library patrons, that's what "you" do. seems like a lot of work (IOW, money) that could be better spent on improving hours or resources. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #60 June 10, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteYou lose me there. You can't selectively move books of a mature nature from a given subject and stick them in the backroom. You're now interferring with ease of access for adults. and/or creating a hell of a lot of logistical work for the library. Sure you can, if "you" are the library board. Then "your" job is to maintain the most welcoming, accessible library for everyone. If that's how you think it's most likely to appeal to the broadest range of library patrons, that's what "you" do. seems like a lot of work (IOW, money) that could be better spent on improving hours or resources. That's kind of for "you" (the library board) to decide.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
