What do you think of Glenn Beck?

[billvon 2,998]

>In order to get good information you need to have several
>sources and Beck is one source.

Beck is not a source; he is an entertainer. If you really get factual information from him, and trust it, you are likely to often be misinformed. (This isn't a criticism of him; it's his job to be entertaining, not factual.)

>Beck has, on several occasions, caused the white house problems
>with factual reports.

So has Stephen Colbert. Doesn't mean you should listen to what he says and take it as fact.

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>In order to get good information you need to have several
>sources and Beck is one source.

Beck is not a source; he is an entertainer. If you really get factual information from him, and trust it, you are likely to often be misinformed. (This isn't a criticism of him; it's his job to be entertaining, not factual.)

>Beck has, on several occasions, caused the white house problems
>with factual reports.

So has Stephen Colbert. Doesn't mean you should listen to what he says and take it as fact.

so you are saying that entertainers can't give factual reports that could be used for information gathering?

[billvon 2,998]

>so you are saying that entertainers can't give factual reports
>that could be used for information gathering?

Sure they could. So could Stephen Colbert, Dave Chappelle or Jay Leno. So could ACORN, the NRA or the Westboro Baptist Church. Heck, so could Al-Jazeera, Osama bin Laden or Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

Relying on the information they give is not the best idea IMO - even if it is possible that they might give factual reports.

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>so you are saying that entertainers can't give factual reports
>that could be used for information gathering?

Sure they could. So could Stephen Colbert, Dave Chappelle or Jay Leno. So could ACORN, the NRA or the Westboro Baptist Church. Heck, so could Al-Jazeera, Osama bin Laden or Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

Relying on the information they give is not the best idea IMO - even if it is possible that they might give factual reports.

relying on msnbc and cnn isn't good because they won't report anything that would show negatively on Obama. we all know how acurate the internet is. so I say watch them all and sort it out yourself.

[billvon 2,998]

>relying on msnbc and cnn isn't good . . . .

Agreed. They are better than entertainers, but not as good as direct research.

>because they won't report anything that would show negatively on
>Obama.

I'm afraid that a quick perusal of those networks show you to be completely incorrect.

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>so I say watch them all and sort it out yourself.

The wise researcher concentrates on sources that are fairly accurate.

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>so you are saying that entertainers can't give factual reports
>that could be used for information gathering?

Sure they could. So could Stephen Colbert, Dave Chappelle or Jay Leno. So could ACORN, the NRA or the Westboro Baptist Church. Heck, so could Al-Jazeera, Osama bin Laden or Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

Relying on the information they give is not the best idea IMO - even if it is possible that they might give factual reports.

I agree with you on this but I also think Obama and those in govt. fall in the catagory as well. They tell half truths not for entertainment but to get re-elected. I think Beck is as credible as those in congress or Obama.

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He's funny.
But then again....i find most over the top nuts to be funny.

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[billvon 2,998]

>I think Beck is as credible as those in congress or Obama.

If Beck was signing laws and setting foreign policy I'd agree with you.

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>I think Beck is as credible as those in congress or Obama.

If Beck was signing laws and setting foreign policy I'd agree with you.

so I guess that you are saying Obama and those making laws and setting forign policy are not credible just like beck

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>I think Beck is as credible as those in congress or Obama.

If Beck was signing laws and setting foreign policy I'd agree with you.

so I guess that you are saying Obama and those making laws and setting forign policy are not credible just like beck

No. I don't think that's what he's saying at all. I think what he's saying is the Beck isn't credible because he isn't privileged to all of the information that Congress or the President is and I'd agree.

Beck isn't even interested in the information either. Just ratcheting up the hysteria over things he doesn't know about.

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>relying on msnbc and cnn isn't good . . . .

Agreed. They are better than entertainers, but not as good as direct research.

>because they won't report anything that would show negatively on
>Obama.

I'm afraid that a quick perusal of those networks show you to be completely incorrect.

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Headline on CNN:

$4,800,000,000,000: Interest on U.S. debt
Here's a new way to think about government borrowing: More than half of the $9 trillion in debt the U.S. is expected to build up in the next decade will be interest.
================
Top 2 stories on MSNBC:

They’re similar places, but stimulus impact is miles apart. In Benton County, Wash., stimulus-funded cleanup of a huge toxic-waste site has led to boom times. Meanwhile, Elkhart wonders where the jobs are.

Watchdog: Stimulus job creation data flawed
White House should have acknowledged doubt about numbers, official says
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>so I say watch them all and sort it out yourself.

The wise researcher concentrates on sources that are fairly accurate.

so in the last month a couple stories that show Obama negatively have shown up (only following other news agencies) I guess now we should trust them. they cover these stories only because they are looking bad and are loosing viewers. when was the last time they covered a story first that showed Obama negatively?

[billvon 2,998]

>so I guess that you are saying Obama and those making laws and
>setting forign policy are not credible just like beck

Nope. Just means that when Obama talks about what he's doing, he's more credible than Beck talking about what he thinks Obama is doing.

>so in the last month a couple stories that show Obama negatively
>have shown up (only following other news agencies) I guess now we
>should trust them.

Nope. You stated that those networks won't report anything negative about Obama. That was incorrect, and an example of the problems inherent in believing everything right-wing entertainers say. It often leads to easily-avoided errors.

>when was the last time they covered a story first that showed Obama
>negatively?

A few hours ago.

[Rstanley0312 1]

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>I think Beck is as credible as those in congress or Obama.

If Beck was signing laws and setting foreign policy I'd agree with you.

Why does the fact that they are signing laws make them more credible?

Dies it mean they are actually studying the bills or are a majority just going along party lines?

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[Rstanley0312 1]

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>I think Beck is as credible as those in congress or Obama.

If Beck was signing laws and setting foreign policy I'd agree with you.

so I guess that you are saying Obama and those making laws and setting forign policy are not credible just like beck

No. I don't think that's what he's saying at all. I think what he's saying is the Beck isn't credible because he isn't privileged to all of the information that Congress or the President is and I'd agree.

Beck isn't even interested in the information either. Just ratcheting up the hysteria over things he doesn't know about.

That is what I was saying Quade but I'm not sure Beck is only interested in money. I think he actually believes what he is saying. I think he actually makes an effort to find facts and sometimes that ends up good and sometimes its a joke.

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[billvon 2,998]

>Why does the fact that they are signing laws make them more credible?

I guess for the same reason that someone who owns and shoots guns might be more credible (when discussing their weapons) that someone who does not.

>Dies it mean they are actually studying the bills or are a majority just
>going along party lines?

Most study the bills to at least some degree _and_ vote along party lines. (In other words, they're a lot like people here.)

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>Why does the fact that they are signing laws make them more credible?

I guess for the same reason that someone who owns and shoots guns might be more credible (when discussing their weapons) that someone who does not.

>Dies it mean they are actually studying the bills or are a majority just
>going along party lines?

Most study the bills to at least some degree _and_ vote along party lines. (In other words, they're a lot like people here.)

Bill.... I love your opions and I say that very sincerely but I believe you called me out telling me my opinion on the market has no more weight than Lucky's even though that's what I do for a living... the market. What you wrote above contradicts that/

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[JohnDeere 0]

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>he has read more of the bill than most in congress that will vote for it.

I think most people in Congress do try to do their jobs, and are generally better informed than TV talking heads.

Beck makes his money telling people what they want to hear. If he can make money by TELLING people he's read the bill, then he will. If he can tell half-truths and make millions, he's not evil - he's a good businessman.

As for his audience? If they are entertained by him, good for them. If they really get their information on the healthcare debate from him, shame on them.

Yea they really care dont they,and really good at there job. hey that's one of your guys isn't it.
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[billvon 2,998]

>Yea they really care dont they and really good at there job

Most of them do.

You have to stop listening to people like Beck, who try to portray all democrats as greedy, tax-hungry criminals. (And people like Maddow, who portray all republicans as rich, warmongering homophobes.) The world really isn't like that. Most people are like . . . most people.

How many politicians do you know? Actually talked to?

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>Yea they really care dont they and really good at there job

Most of them do.

You have to stop listening to people like Beck, who try to portray all democrats as greedy, tax-hungry criminals. (And people like Maddow, who portray all republicans as rich, warmongering homophobes.) The world really isn't like that. Most people are like . . . most people.

How many politicians do you know? Actually talked to?

You don't listen to him either, and you never have.

His points for over the last 6 months have not been exclusively against any party, but it has been against the changes and growth of the fed government.

Sad really. many like you "knowing" the likes of Beck and other. You , me and nobody know them or their motivations for sure. But you and others sure post like you got it nail.

Arrogant at the very least.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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I hate him, I cant believe he got away with calling Van Jones a commie?!?! He should be taken off of the air and sent to a reeducation camp, allong with everyone from fox the wall street journal, cnn and anyone to the right of air america.

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I hate him, I cant believe he got away with calling Van Jones a commie?!?! He should be taken off of the air and sent to a reeducation camp, allong with everyone from fox the wall street journal, cnn and anyone to the right of air america.

HE got away with it because he is a commie. Van Jones says so himself. It was Van Jones voice in multiple tapes played by Glen Beck so you have to live with that.

And based on you post and your lack of regard for free speech, you must be a Van Jones sympathizer

Do you have recording of Air America? Are they still on the air? Or did I hear correctly that the private money run out (aka they couldn't make it on their own) and they went belly up.

So much for the tolerant inclusive left

It is also surprising to me that a "manager" from " Happy Valley" can be so vitriolic........

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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>Sounds about like Olberman

Yep. And Malkin, and Limbaugh, and Colbert, and the rest who make money by entertaining people. Whatever pays the bills.

Limbaugh and the likes has had their stock soar after Obama's election. Some conservatives are foolish enough to believe that Limbaugh is really upset about last Nov when in reality it worked out just right.

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You're speaking of conservatives sending tea bags to their representatives in Congress as a sign of protest, yes?

Yes. The meaningless, feel good gesture without any actual ideas to back it up.

As far as I can tell, the only thing the tea bag gesture did was give a slight bump to Lipton. Other than that, it had nor suggested anything meaningful. They might as well of just stood around singing Kumbaya. While "fun" it doesn't actually do anything.

>>without any actual ideas to back it up.

For varying values of "actual ideas" (that liberals agree with), evidently.
Not that you're in ANY way partisan against conservatives, of course.

Quade was talking about Beck, the topic, then you bring in Quade's beliefs; typical ad hominem. See whatcha do? I get it, it's that or defend Beck.

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>Sounds about like Olberman

Yep. And Malkin, and Limbaugh, and Colbert, and the rest who make money by entertaining people. Whatever pays the bills.

Although you might wanna give Colbert a free pass this week since he's on a USO tour in Iraq entertaining the troops.

Even if it's self promotion, he is bringing some joy into their lives.

> you might wanna give Colbert a free pass

Still doesn't change the fact he's an ASS.

As to my thoughs of Glenn Beck, he's a wealthy man.

Works as long as you assess people like this:

- Rich people are good

- Poor people are theives and scum.

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He is an absolute traitor to the country. He helps separate and polarize the people he says he cares for. Its all about the money as it is with many, and if he is an entertainment show he should try to entertain not act as if he is the news.

Now the question is do you think that the other side does the same?

The difference between left and right extremism is the left plays on your sympathies, the right shoves it down your face and tries to make you feel isolated if you don't go along. The right employs thuggery.