rushmc 23 #51 June 15, 2009 Quote http://newsone.blackplanet.com/elections/top-10-racist-limbaugh-quotes/ Quote 9. I think the media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well. They’re interested in black coaches and black quarterbacks doing well. I think there’s a little hope invested in McNabb and he got a lot of credit for the performance of his team that he really didn’t deserve. I wasn’t super offended by this, the whole black quarterback/coach thing has been going on for years in sports, but the quote was so offensive that Retired General Wesley Clarke said: There can be no excuse for such statements. Mr. Limbaugh has the right to say whatever he wants, but ABC and ESPN have no obligation to sponsor such hateful and ignorant speech. Mr. Limbaugh should be fired immediately Really man? I mean... REALLY? Not that you have specifically stated that Rush hasnt offended MILLIONS of people in the past... you were just looking for an example of such a case. But REALLY? Do you seriously need me to spoon-feed you a situation in which millions of people have been offended by his remarks to be convinced of my statement that he has done so? Nevermind whether or not the "information" he disperses about people is true or not, or that his position is respectable or well-constructed. That is not what you want. What you want here is a situation in which Rush has offended a group of people in the past. It is no secret that he has done so. (Although, I suppose, those of us who aren't as capable of recognizing such information might need to be assisted. In which case, I withdraw my evaluation of you, because in that case you simply need assistance as opposed to being guilty of a political neurosis) Also, I must apologize for your waiting so eagerly for my response. I was actually skydiving this weekend, that is, not waiting around for someone else I have never met to make conclusions for me. Insert emoticon to appear more like a smart-ass like rushmc here. Funny, you really think you have come up with examples? As I expected. Thanks though"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chasteh 0 #52 June 15, 2009 Ahh I see now. No defense as to why they are not examples.... Just a dogmatic attitude as to why the other guy is wrong. That was a very fast reply. Man, you really have been waiting here all weekend haven't you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #53 June 15, 2009 QuoteQuoteWhat conservative got fired recently for telling tasteless jokes? How recently? "Nappy Headed Hos" ? I didn't think that was put forward as a joke. What was the setup? The punch line?" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #54 June 15, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuote>"Nappy Headed Hos" ? IIRC correctly, that was Imus. Would you consider him a conservative? Honestly, I know zero about Imus either before or since that incident. Just the things I read in the press coverage of that actual incident. He was in the Howard Stern movie. That's all I knew of him before the nappy incident. Stern made a movie? How does getting women to strip in a radio studio become a movie?" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #55 June 15, 2009 Do you need some pre-defined set of elements to make a joke? Is that somewhere in Strunk and White, and I missed it?-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #56 June 15, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuote I think CBS and Letterman need to man-up and make a sincere apology to the Palin family. I don't think Letterman should be fired but rather a short suspension perhaps. Maybe. But I suppose if the Palin family deserves an apology, then all the families Rush Limbaugh and Tom Leykiss have offended in the past would deserve one too. (Note: You probably couldn't list all the names offended by Rush himself without causing some type of warp in the space-time continuum) I guess that if you can say "he is a comedian is a lame excuse at best" then that statement is also applicable to conservative talk radio. Or, possibly, we could simply get FOX news to apologize for Sean Hannity and Bill O' Reilly. Take your pick. I'd give up Letterman for any of those. (Which I guess is a good deal for you because hes a baaaaaaaad influence) I await any examples Sucks when you get called on it huh.... Haven't listened to him in a couple years; think it was before his hooked-on-drugs adventure; but my recollection is that Rush mostly likes to put down groups. Feminazis, Amazons, that kind of stuff. Same with our local Rush wannabee; Tom Bernard. The show is not much more than a constant running string of put-downs of every person and every group of people that are not like him. Funny thing; his favorites are the H words. I used to marvel at how often he used them; horrific, hack, horrible, half-baked, horrendous, heinous, hair-brained, . . . Strange circumstance or weird affliction? You be the judge." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #57 June 15, 2009 QuoteDo you need some pre-defined set of elements to make a joke? Is that somewhere in Strunk and White, and I missed it? Yes to the first question. Not sure what the exact definition is; but usually for something to be a joke there is some sort of setup or background, then a punch line, sight gag, or something. He just called black woman nappy haired or nappy headed hos. I guess it could have been made part of some tasteless or rascist joke; but there was no joke about it. No moment of "Oh, I get it, that was funny." It was more the equivalent of me just saying someone is an ugly mother fucker. That in itself would not constitute a joke, even if true. On the second question, I don't know. I must have missed Strunk & White when they were in town." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #58 June 15, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote I think CBS and Letterman need to man-up and make a sincere apology to the Palin family. I don't think Letterman should be fired but rather a short suspension perhaps. Maybe. But I suppose if the Palin family deserves an apology, then all the families Rush Limbaugh and Tom Leykiss have offended in the past would deserve one too. (Note: You probably couldn't list all the names offended by Rush himself without causing some type of warp in the space-time continuum) I guess that if you can say "he is a comedian is a lame excuse at best" then that statement is also applicable to conservative talk radio. Or, possibly, we could simply get FOX news to apologize for Sean Hannity and Bill O' Reilly. Take your pick. I'd give up Letterman for any of those. (Which I guess is a good deal for you because hes a baaaaaaaad influence) I await any examples Sucks when you get called on it huh.... Haven't listened to him in a couple years; think it was before his hooked-on-drugs adventure; but my recollection is that Rush mostly likes to put down groups. Feminazis, Amazons, that kind of stuff. Same with our local Rush wannabee; Tom Bernard. The show is not much more than a constant running string of put-downs of every person and every group of people that are not like him. Funny thing; his favorites are the H words. I used to marvel at how often he used them; horrific, hack, horrible, half-baked, horrendous, heinous, hair-brained, . . . Strange circumstance or weird affliction? You be the judge. Yes, he uses those terms but two points in regards to them He invented more than one of them and he uses them to describe a very small group of radical minded people. Groups would indicate a large number of people or a demograghic. That is not what he is doing at all. And I know that examples like I have asked for will not be provided. Reason? I have listened to him off and on for over 15 years and I have never heard him do anything close to what Letterman did. He just does not do those things......"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,490 #59 June 15, 2009 QuoteWhich daughter was at the game was immaterial - he basically called Palin and her daughters sluts and whores and, Really? Because he made a joke about her getting knocked up? So being knocked up makes a teenage girl a slut and a whore? So you, Mike, are of the opinion that Bristol Palin, who was knocked up as a teenager, is a slut and a whore? I gotta say dude, that's pretty harsh. QuoteBut raping or having sex of any descriptions with an 18 year old girl... hey, go for it.... they're all sluts anyway, right Dave? Raping? Who said anything about raping? How can it simultaneously be a joke about rape and also a joke that makes Palin's daughter into a slut? Does getting raped make a girl a slut? That's beyond harsh. QuoteI guess for his next show, he can make jokes about how Michelle's arms are so toned because she's giving BO handjobs under the desk or Ashley Biden turning tricks in Times Square for a line of blow. Yeah, he could. Not sure if the second one would be a very good joke though, does Ashley Biden have a history of prostitution or drug taking?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #60 June 15, 2009 QuoteRaping? Who said anything about raping? In most of the US, by definition, sex with a 14 year old is statutory rape.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chasteh 0 #61 June 15, 2009 Quote And I know that examples like I have asked for will not be provided. Reason? I have listened to him off and on for over 15 years and I have never heard him do anything close to what Letterman did. He just does not do those things...... You have been a loyal listener of his for over 15 years? Sorry professor, you aren't in a very good position (at all) to approach Rush's arguments with any real level of criticism because your loyalty to Rush is strong enough for you to ignore counterexamples. (which you just consider to be "not examples" without a clear reason that is independant of your bias) The nature of your objection is that you "know" that "there aren't any real examples" that will fit into your criterion. (i.e. the problem isn't that there haven't been examples presented before you, its that you can't face up to them being examples for fear of knowing that the man you have listened to for the past 15 years is a bigot... thats a pretty hard thing to live up to if you think the way he does... 'cause that would really increase the chances of your being a bigot... which is most definitely something you would want to avoid here) Quote Yes, he uses those terms but two points in regards to them He invented more than one of them and he uses them to describe a very small group of radical minded people. Groups would indicate a large number of people or a demograghic. That is not what he is doing at all. Really? Could it still be that those people are greatly offended by what he says on the radio? Could it be that your quote and your argument (whatever that is) is nothing but a complex, drawn-out rationalization of Rush's remarks? No. Because you do not accept them as examples, (even though several of them on the site I provided present names of people who are offended by him) not because they aren't examples. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FreeflyChile 0 #62 June 15, 2009 QuoteQuotePeople like Letterman (and Leno, probably Conan and anyone else doing this type of show as well) have been making fun of and implying the slutty nature of young people like Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, and more recently underage girls like Miley Cyrus for years... and no one appeared to care then. So is it only a problem now that the joke may have referred to the daughter of a high-ranking member of one of the two major political parties? Ah, it is not a problem with me. I have never advocated the firing of anybody. Free markets forces will take care of it IMO. I wasn't implying you had a problem with it - more just asking whether it's the fact he made this joke about an underage girl (even if that was not the intent) that is the problem, or the fact it was Palin's daugther that was the target of the joke that is getting people up in arms. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #63 June 15, 2009 tick toc tick toc ....."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chasteh 0 #64 June 15, 2009 You must not be very good at this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #65 June 15, 2009 Quote You must not be very good at this. No, I must not be..... "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,490 #66 June 15, 2009 QuoteQuoteRaping? Who said anything about raping? In most of the US, by definition, sex with a 14 year old is statutory rape. Pay attention, Tom. Reading a post properly before you reply to it is an important skill, so let's see if you can pick out the piece of information that you missed from this quote; "But raping or having sex of any descriptions with an 18 year old girl..."Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #67 June 15, 2009 I am paying attention. You're having an artificial agreement about whether "rape" was involved in this joke. You are sticking to your "she's 18" while others are sticking to their "she's 14." Then, both sides are yelling about "it is/isn't rape" while ignoring the underlying issue (which child was the intended target). It's petty and juvenile to ignore the underlying point of the opposing argument in an effort to paint the other side as either (a) supporting rape, or (b) calling "rape" for shock value.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,490 #68 June 15, 2009 QuoteI am paying attention... You are sticking to your "she's 18" while others are sticking to their "she's 14." Sorry Tom, but you're clearly not. I was replying to Mike's comment. Mike's comment was about the appropriateness of Letterman making a joke about the rape of an 18 year old. It is quite clearly and specifically stated, right there in the comment of Mike's that I re-quoted for you and that you have once more failed to understand. QuoteIt's petty and juvenile to ignore the underlying point of the opposing argument in an effort to paint the other side as either (a) supporting rape, or (b) calling "rape" for shock value. It's petty and juvenile to try and distort the facts, as you are doing now, to try and cover up your earlier error. Mike specifically stated the age of 18 in his post. I was replying to Mike, and to the portion of Mikes post that had that age stated within it. The conversation was between me and Mike, not between me and others who are still claiming that the joke was intended to be about a 14 year old. It doesn't get any more straightforward than that. Now, will you do the grown up thing and admit you misread the post or will you continue to act like a child and deny, denigrate and obfuscate?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #69 June 15, 2009 I think it's pathetic and juvenile that people on both sides of this issue are trying to seize hold of it for partisan point scoring. The obvious MO for this nonsense is: a) One side claims that it was an innocent joke about an 18 year old and that therefore the other side is crying "rape" solely for shock value. b) The other side claims that the joke was about a 14 year old, that Letterman knew that, and that he's wiggling around trying to justify it without apologizing. Regardless of which side you're on, I think it's petty and juvenile. This is not an important issue. There are much more important things to worry about (trillions of them, actually), and people (like you) who keep rehashing the same lame arguments are just preventing real discussion of actual issues. That's lame.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,490 #70 June 15, 2009 QuoteI think it's pathetic and juvenile that people on both sides of this issue are trying to seize hold of it for partisan point scoring. What have I said that is partisan? Quotea) One side claims that it was an innocent joke about an 18 year old and that therefore the other side is crying "rape" solely for shock value. Actually look at what I have written and you'll see that what I have done is call Mike on simultaneously saying that Letterman's joke is about A) Bristol being raped and B) Bristol being a whore. The two positions are mutually contradictory and yet Mike is holding them both because they both make Letterman look bad. How on earth can you sit there and say with a (presumably) straight face and say that it is "juvenile" to accuse Mike of saying it for shock value? What other explanation could there be uness Mike is genuinely so stupid that he thinks both are true? It is lame, petty and extremely juvenile nonsense for you to accuse me of aiming for partisan point scoring when all I have done is call Mike on his ridiculous, contradictory and hyperbolic reactions to the affair. It is quite obvious and hilarious that the only reason you are continuing down this road is because you are incapable of admitting to the simple mistake you made at the beginning of this exchange. Truly pathetic.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #71 June 15, 2009 QuoteStern made a movie? How does getting women to strip in a radio studio become a movie? You're kiddin' right? How DOESN'T that get made into a movie?!?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyD 0 #72 June 15, 2009 QuoteChelsea Clinton was off limits during the 90s. Really? I don't remember too much outrage when McCain famously cracked a joke about her. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #73 June 15, 2009 >Chelsea Clinton was off limits during the 90s. Rush Limbaugh called 13 year old Chelsea Clinton the "White House Dog" in 1993. Conservatives were pretty silent. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryzflies 0 #74 June 15, 2009 QuoteQuotePeople like Letterman (and Leno, probably Conan and anyone else doing this type of show as well) have been making fun of and implying the slutty nature of young people like Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, and more recently underage girls like Miley Cyrus for years... and no one appeared to care then. So is it only a problem now that the joke may have referred to the daughter of a high-ranking member of one of the two major political parties? Ah, it is not a problem with me. I have never advocated the firing of anybody. Free markets forces will take care of it IMO. So more people will tune in to the program due to all the phony outrage, and his income will increase.If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #75 June 15, 2009 Quote>Chelsea Clinton was off limits during the 90s. Rush Limbaugh called 13 year old Chelsea Clinton the "White House Dog" in 1993. Conservatives were pretty silent. Hmmm, been kind of interesting googling this claim. I will post what I find"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
