Should CBS Fire Letterman?

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>Chelsea Clinton was off limits during the 90s.

Rush Limbaugh called 13 year old Chelsea Clinton the "White House Dog" in 1993. Conservatives were pretty silent.

Hmmm, been kind of interesting googling this claim.

I will post what I find

I'll save you the trouble:

Still, "Saturday Night Live" saw fit to air a sketch that compared Chelsea, then 13, unfavorably with Vice President Gore's daughter. The first lady was furious about that, and even angrier when Rush Limbaugh took this shot: "Everyone knows the Clintons have a cat," said Limbaugh. "Socks is the White House cat. But did you know there is also a White House dog?" And he held up a picture of Chelsea. Washington Post, Feb 27, 1996 (among many other sources).

And then the lying hypocrite tried to deny it:
mediamatters.org/research/200703070012

If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical.

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Stern made a movie? How does getting women to strip in a radio studio become a movie?

You're kiddin' right? How DOESN'T that get made into a movie?!?

It was certainly more interesting seeing it than it would have been listening on the radio.

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I've done some reading, and actually the comment about "white house dog" really might not have happened. I haven't seen any furor over it in usenet groups when it's supposed to have happened, and the furor only started after a newspaper column referred to the incident about a year later.

Here is a reference to a discussion of what actually might have been said in that show. This reference is from 2003 -- not contemporaneous with the "white house dog" comment, but well before now, and not tainted by the current David Letterman hoo-ha.

Now -- did he allude to what he thought of as her attractiveness? Yes. Just read the rest of the article. Of course, Saturday Night Live had something about Chelsea Clinton around that time too, and it wasn't flattering either.

Note: I think Rush Limbaugh is not a force for good; I find him to be divisive, seeming to say that someone doing the right thing still needs to be examined for proper political alignment. But fairness belongs to everyone.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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>Now -- did he allude to what he thought of as her attractiveness? Yes.

Yep. It was a joke gone awry; according to Limbaugh his technicians put up the wrong picture. He then apologized for it.

Which makes it oddly similar to this incident.

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Yep. This incident is ridiculous, both the original, and the incredible brouhaha in reaction.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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Even the Limbaugh apologists posted this excuse from his own mouth:

Ladies and gentlemen, I’m sorry. Let me tell you very quickly what happened last Friday night. There was a new in list and new out list that was published in the newspaper. The writer said in, cute kid in the White House; out, cute dog in the White House. Could we show the cute dog in the White House who’s out, and they put up a picture of Chelsea Clinton back in the crew.

And many of you people think that we did it on purpose to make a cheap comment on her appearance. And I’m terribly sorry. I don’t–look, that takes no talent whatsoever and I have a lot of talent. I don’t need to get laughs by commenting on people’s looks, especially a young child who’s done nothing wrong. I mean, she can’t control the way she looks. And we really–we do not–we do not do that on this kind of show. So put a picture up of her now and so we can square this.

If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical.

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Oh, i almost forgot. Why is it Ok for Rush to do this? Is what Letterman did still enough for "any conservative to be fired" had one done such a thing? (Clearly not, because there has been at least one situation in which the same offense occurred and he was not fired-making your claim false!)

I have to admit, bantering back and forth on this really keeps your mind fresh... well... at least when you obey the rules of logic. You know... like the kind of logic that makes RushMC's signature false.

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Even the Limbaugh apologists posted this excuse from his own mouth:

Ladies and gentlemen, I’m sorry. Let me tell you very quickly what happened last Friday night. There was a new in list and new out list that was published in the newspaper. The writer said in, cute kid in the White House; out, cute dog in the White House. Could we show the cute dog in the White House who’s out, and they put up a picture of Chelsea Clinton back in the crew.

And many of you people think that we did it on purpose to make a cheap comment on her appearance. And I’m terribly sorry. I don’t–look, that takes no talent whatsoever and I have a lot of talent. I don’t need to get laughs by commenting on people’s looks, especially a young child who’s done nothing wrong. I mean, she can’t control the way she looks. And we really–we do not–we do not do that on this kind of show. So put a picture up of her now and so we can square this.

Well, it apears he gave a classy well meaning apology for a mistake.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Oh, i almost forgot. Why is it Ok for Rush to do this? Is what Letterman did still enough for "any conservative to be fired" had one done such a thing? (Clearly not, because there has been at least one situation in which the same offense occurred and he was not fired-making your claim false!)

I have to admit, bantering back and forth on this really keeps your mind fresh... well... at least when you obey the rules of logic. You know... like the kind of logic that makes RushMC's signature false.

Nobody ever said it OK for Rush to do anything of the kind. YOU made an accusation that Rush insults along the levels of the Letterman comment and worse. You made a generalized statement that you have as of yet been unable to back up (and you will not be able to IMO) The Clinton thing, if purposful was in very bad taste IMO and still in bad taste if just a mistake. But to compare that with the Letteman crap is oranges and horse apples.
And in the end at least Rush said he was sorry. Letterman is still playing the turd

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Oh, and I dont think you have understood my sig line

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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>Well, it apears he gave a classy well meaning apology for a mistake.

He could have said "obviously she doesn't look like a dog." Instead he said "she can’t control the way she looks." (In other words, she does look like a dog, but it's not her fault.) Not very classy in my book, especially when you're talking about a 13 year old girl.

On the plus side, he did apologize for the screwup.

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>Well, it apears he gave a classy well meaning apology for a mistake.

He could have said "obviously she doesn't look like a dog." Instead he said "she can’t control the way she looks." (In other words, she does look like a dog, but it's not her fault.) Not very classy in my book, especially when you're talking about a 13 year old girl.

That comment does not make any sense in any context I can think of. And besides, I have always thought she was kind of cute.

It amost sounds like he is saying she does not look like a dog but she cant control that. That would not be an insult.

I guess I wouldhave to hear it..........

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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The conversation was between me and Mike, not between me and others who are still claiming that the joke was intended to be about a 14 year old. It doesn't get any more straightforward than that.

Letterman's ass-covering "apology" doesn't change the fact that it was known the DAY BEFORE his "joke" that the daughter attending was 14. It also doesn't excuse the fact that he made yet ANOTHER 'joke' the day following.

That was the reason behind my parody of his 'apology' that mentioned the older daughter's age.

Sorry you couldn't understand the point.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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That was the reason behind my parody of his 'apology' that mentioned the older daughter's age.

Sorry you couldn't understand the point.

I'm sorry you're unable to make a cogent point.

Do you think that Palin's daughter is a whore because she got knocked up? Why do you think the joke, if directed at Bristol, had anything to do with rape?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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It amost sounds like he is saying she does not look like a dog but she cant control that. That would not be an insult.

Of course it is an insult. How can it not be? You're ugly, but it's not your fault?

(unless it's a fine looking dog - Lassie?)

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And then the lying hypocrite tried to deny it

And then there's what ACTUALLY happened during the show - hardly unsurprising that it WASN'T on media(doesn't)matter:

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On his TV show in 1992, a few days after the Presidential election, Rush Limbaugh was reviewing In/Out lists (a popular fad at the time):

In today’s New York Daily News right here… it’s the obligatory in-out list. Every time there’s a massive change somewhere, people are in, people are out. I’m now out. It says about me on here, Rush Limbaugh, loud-mouthed conservative and Bush favorite. He’s out.

Rush commented that most of the other things on the days’ list were not funny, but that “one of them in particular” was. Rush quoted from the David Hinckley article

“In: A cute kid in the White House. Out: Cute dog in the White House.”

Could– could we see the cute kid? Let’s take a look at– see who is the cute kid in the White House.

A picture of the “cute dog” (Millie) appeared on the screen instead of the “cute kid” (Chelsea).

Rush immediately said

No, no, no. That’s not the kid.

Then a picture of Chelsea Clinton came on the screen and Rush said

That’s– that’s the kid.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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It amost sounds like he is saying she does not look like a dog but she cant control that. That would not be an insult.

Of course it is an insult. How can it not be? You're ugly, but it's not your fault?

(unless it's a fine looking dog - Lassie?)

If meant that way yes, I agree, but it does not read that way to me.

Oh well what ever. If meant as a joke and isulting then he was a pig when he said it.

In either case, neither should be fired IMO

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Nobody ever said it OK for Rush to do anything of the kind. YOU made an accusation that Rush insults along the levels of the Letterman comment and worse. You made a generalized statement that you have as of yet been unable to back up (and you will not be able to IMO) The Clinton thing, if purposful was in very bad taste IMO and still in bad taste if just a mistake. But to compare that with the Letteman crap is oranges and horse apples.

Nooooooot quite... I said that if it is not acceptable for Letterman to do it... it certainly isn't acceptable for Rush (or the other names, like Leykiss... whom you are not ready to recognize because his comments have also satisfactorily proven my point)
Again! You have used this defense: Generalizations! BAAAAD!
Specific Examples! RushMC doesn't consider these to actually be specific examples! RushMC doesn't want to actually say why they aren't adequate... he just wants to find any way he can to stick to his perspective-even if it means denying evidence that countless posts (including some that aren't even my own) provide.
Again, if your opinion is already aligned with Rush's remarks

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You made a generalized statement that you have as of yet been unable to back up (and you will not be able to IMO)

then there is no convincing you. (Even in the presence of adequate evidence-this is what dogmatism is... and it is the attitude you have)

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Nobody ever said it OK for Rush to do anything of the kind. YOU made an accusation that Rush insults along the levels of the Letterman comment and worse. You made a generalized statement that you have as of yet been unable to back up (and you will not be able to IMO) The Clinton thing, if purposful was in very bad taste IMO and still in bad taste if just a mistake. But to compare that with the Letteman crap is oranges and horse apples.

Nooooooot quite... I said that if it is not acceptable for Letterman to do it... it certainly isn't acceptable for Rush (or the other names, like Leykiss... whom you are not ready to recognize because his comments have also satisfactorily proven my point)
Again! You have used this defense: Generalizations! BAAAAD!
Specific Examples! RushMC doesn't consider these to actually be specific examples! RushMC doesn't want to actually say why they aren't adequate... he just wants to find any way he can to stick to his perspective-even if it means denying evidence that countless posts (including some that aren't even my own) provide.
Again, if your opinion is already aligned with Rush's remarks

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You made a generalized statement that you have as of yet been unable to back up (and you will not be able to IMO)

then there is no convincing you. (Even in the presence of adequate evidence-this is what dogmatism is... and it is the attitude you have)

You are funny when you are desperate


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"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Actually, each one of your meaningless responses has actually given me an opportunity to more clarify myself through writing-which in turn has become very therapeutic. I am much more comfortable with the first post I made on this thread and thus more confident in my position (which means I have even more reason to consider myself anti-Rush at this point in time)

It's really too bad that Rush doesn't do a better job intellectually, as there still exists potential for pro-capitalistic arguments to be made... you know... like Ayn Rand has. (She just managed to do it without being a racist or hating women)

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Actually, each one of your meaningless responses has actually given me an opportunity to more clarify myself through writing-which in turn has become very therapeutic. I am much more comfortable with the first post I made on this thread and thus more confident in my position (which means I have even more reason to consider myself anti-Rush at this point in time)

It's really too bad that Rush doesn't do a better job intellectually, as there still exists potential for pro-capitalistic arguments to be made... you know... like Ayn Rand has. (She just managed to do it without being a racist or hating women)

Ayn Rand? Again, I will have to look that one up. As for your confidence? Good for you. You are entitted to be wrong.

There is a reason those who think like you hate Rush and go after Palin. They are a threat to you.

Have fun,

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"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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And then the lying hypocrite tried to deny it

And then there's what ACTUALLY happened during the show - hardly unsurprising that it WASN'T on media(doesn't)matter:

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On his TV show in 1992, a few days after the Presidential election, Rush Limbaugh was reviewing In/Out lists (a popular fad at the time):

In today’s New York Daily News right here… it’s the obligatory in-out list. Every time there’s a massive change somewhere, people are in, people are out. I’m now out. It says about me on here, Rush Limbaugh, loud-mouthed conservative and Bush favorite. He’s out.

Rush commented that most of the other things on the days’ list were not funny, but that “one of them in particular” was. Rush quoted from the David Hinckley article

“In: A cute kid in the White House. Out: Cute dog in the White House.”

Could– could we see the cute kid? Let’s take a look at– see who is the cute kid in the White House.

A picture of the “cute dog” (Millie) appeared on the screen instead of the “cute kid” (Chelsea).

Rush immediately said

No, no, no. That’s not the kid.

Then a picture of Chelsea Clinton came on the screen and Rush said

That’s– that’s the kid.

If you really think that wasn't deliberately staged, I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.

Even his "apology" was an insult.

If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical.

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If you really think that wasn't deliberately staged, I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.

Like Letterman's joke about Willow's statuatory rape, evidently.

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Even his "apology" was an insult.

Those who look to be insulted usually will be. Care to compare how many times he said "I'm sorry" in his quote compared to Letterman?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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Great. You don't know why Rush Limbaugh prefers free market liberalism. That is ok, it happens all the time. Next.

In terms of wrong... what you really mean to say is that what i have to say is either false or invalid or not sound, in either case you have not attained the result you need.

In terms of being threatened by Rush and Palin, that is certainly possible. (Well... at least Rush is... Palin doesn't have very much weight in political issues aside from her tits and gorgeous smile)
Rush limbaugh himself wouldn't have any weight if it werent for the free market liberalism and shock+awe effect that his presentation style has. And if you don't believe me, think of how much more successful Fox news, CNN, and Conservative radio are to PBS and and NPR.
And with Rush's popularity and shock approach set aside, he has a much more clean argument to propose... that of free market liberalism... and it is that small philosophical perspective that is the pinnacle of his speeches.
As far as Sarah Palin goes... I don't really think she understands what free-market capitalism really is. (Remember... that would mean you the free market decides how and where funds are placed... which totally disagrees with this picture, where she is signing the acceptance of federal stimulus funds-note... isn't that the big-scary Socialism that you and Rush are so afraid of?)

http://omb.alaska.gov/10_omb/budget/IndexEconomicStimulus.htm



So, if anything, Rush and Palin are a threat to guys like me because there are so many knock-knocks out there who are willing to vote for Palin for reasons that guys like Rush spoon-feed to guys like you.
Intellectually, Rush's argument isn't Rush's argument, it is Ethical Egoism, as outlined by Ayn Rand. In terms of his shock and awe approach to news, he loses his smarts and says things that get him into trouble... you k now.... like David Letterman did!

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Great. You don't know why Rush Limbaugh prefers free market liberalism. That is ok, it happens all the time. Next.

In terms of wrong... what you really mean to say is that what i have to say is either false or invalid or not sound, in either case you have not attained the result you need.

In terms of being threatened by Rush and Palin, that is certainly possible. (Well... at least Rush is... Palin doesn't have very much weight in political issues aside from her tits and gorgeous smile)
Rush limbaugh himself wouldn't have any weight if it werent for the free market liberalism and shock+awe effect that his presentation style has. And if you don't believe me, think of how much more successful Fox news, CNN, and Conservative radio are to PBS and and NPR.
And with Rush's popularity and shock approach set aside, he has a much more clean argument to propose... that of free market liberalism... and it is that small philosophical perspective that is the pinnacle of his speeches.
As far as Sarah Palin goes... I don't really think she understands what free-market capitalism really is. (Remember... that would mean you the free market decides how and where funds are placed... which totally disagrees with this picture, where she is signing the acceptance of federal stimulus funds-note... isn't that the big-scary Socialism that you and Rush are so afraid of?)

http://omb.alaska.gov/10_omb/budget/IndexEconomicStimulus.htm



So, if anything, Rush and Palin are a threat to guys like me because there are so many knock-knocks out there who are willing to vote for Palin for reasons that guys like Rush spoon-feed to guys like you.
Intellectually, Rush's argument isn't Rush's argument, it is Ethical Egoism, as outlined by Ayn Rand. In terms of his shock and awe approach to news, he loses his smarts and says things that get him into trouble... you k now.... like David Letterman did!

Nice bigoted PA dude

In any event Dave finally maned up.

http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/06/letterman-readdresses-palin.html

I like your insults though. Shows me I am the thinking one on the right, ah, correct path.

Wheres that leave you oh name caller??

At least it is clear for all to see just how extremely left you really are.

I will even bet Obama has not taken over enough for you yet.

Too bad

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln