Finally, some sanity in government (or the expressed fear of getting voted out of office)

[rushmc 23]

Found on Newsmax FROM AP (imagine that)


Democrats Fleeing Obama Healthcare Plan

Sunday, June 21, 2009 1:55 PM

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WASHINGTON -- A Republican senator seeking a bipartisan health deal spoke Sunday of "dialing down" expectations while one of President Barack Obama's Democratic allies questioned whether the White House had the votes necessary for a such a costly and comprehensive plan during a recession.


Obama's proposal to provide health insurance for some 50 million Americans who lack it has become a contentious point for a Democratic-controlled House and Senate struggling to reach a consensus Obama desperately wants.


Much of the concern came after the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office estimated that the plan would cost $1 trillion over 10 years but cover only about one-third of those now lacking health insurance.


Democrats protested that the estimate overlooked important money-savers to be added later. But Republicans seized on the costly projection and the bill's half-finished nature, throwing Democratic leaders on the defensive.


Sen. Chuck Grassley, the top Republican on the Finance Committee, said officials would have to rethink their best-case scenario for providing a sweeping overhaul of the health care system at a relatively low price.


"So we're in the position of dialing down some of our expectations to get the costs down so that it's affordable and, most importantly, so that it's paid for because we can't go to the point where we are now of not paying for something when we have trillions of dollars of debt," said Grassley, R-Iowa.


"And we anticipate paying for it through some savings and Medicare, and from some increases in revenue," he said.


Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., said she wasn't certain there are enough votes in the president's own party to support the proposal.


"I think there's a lot of concern in the Democratic caucus," she said.


The overhaul's chief proponent in the Senate, Chris Dodd of Connecticut, urged patience as lawmakers continued working on the bill. However, Sens. John McCain, R-Ariz., and Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said the bill's cost was problematic.


"You do the math," McCain said. "It comes up to $3 trillion. And so far, we have no proposal for having to pay for it."


The CBO estimates "were a death blow to a government-run health care plan," Graham said. "The Finance Committee has abandoned that. We do need to deal with inflation in health care, private and public inflation, but we're not going to go down to the government-owning-health-care road in America and I think that's the story of this week. There's been a bipartisan rejection of that."


Competing plans abound in Congress, complicating Obama's task.


"As a matter of fact, I don't have the slightest idea what is in either of the two bills in the committees," said Sen. Richard Lugar, R-Ind. "None of us do because much of it hasn't been written, still being drafted. People are scoring something that doesn't exist. What I would suggest is we hang on now for a period of study so that we find literally what the alternatives are."


As for his favored outcome, "I think it should be incremental steps," Lugar said.


Health care changes have widespread public support, according to a CBS-New York Times poll released Saturday. Almost two-thirds say the government should guarantee health insurance for all Americans while half that many think it's not the government's responsibility.


People are more divided when it comes to such a program's impact on the economy and whether they are willing to pay higher taxes so that all Americans have health care.


Feinstein, Lugar and Grassley spoke to CNN's "State of the Union." McCain appears on CBS' "Face the Nation" and Graham appeared on ABC's "This Week."





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"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rickjump1 0]

And this does not include the millions of illegal aliens Obama would like to "legalize" nor the ones cocked to cross the border once it is announced. The BHO choo choo train is going to run out of track.

Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts.

[rushmc 23]

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And this does not include the millions of illegal aliens Obama would like to "legalize" nor the ones cocked to cross the border once it is announced. The BHO choo choo train is going to run out of track.

Call and write. Gotta do more than hope for "change"

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rickjump1 0]

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And this does not include the millions of illegal aliens Obama would like to "legalize" nor the ones cocked to cross the border once it is announced. The BHO choo choo train is going to run out of track.

Call and write. Gotta do more than hope for "change"

Been doing it. The are some estimates that as many as 20 million illegals here. Think of your tax dollars at work when each is provided legal council and healthcare. Oh I forgot, when mom, dad, grandpa, and grandma arrive they get immediate social security. Isn't this a great country?

Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts.

[billvon 2,998]

Do you actually believe that crap, or are you just posting to get a rise out of people?

[marks2065 0]

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Do you actually believe that crap, or are you just posting to get a rise out of people?

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what crap? illegals can get soso security after only a breif stint at work. I personally know one that has been here for 10years( got some kind of amnisty crap paper work several years ago) and collects $100 less a month than my mom and uses the health care system for free. Giving these people a free ride and letting someone that has lived here an entire life and paid for the program the shaft is really a low blow to legal hard working americans.

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[billvon 2,998]

>illegals can get soso security after only a breif stint at work.

So now it's "after they work" instead of "immediate?"

In other words, they get some of the money they paid into it back when they retire? Doesn't sound so evil when you put it that way.

[kelpdiver 2]

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>illegals can get soso security after only a breif stint at work.

So now it's "after they work" instead of "immediate?"

After they work for 10 years, no less.

which is exactly the number required, correct? You need 40 credits, and you get 4/year.

[rickjump1 0]

You're telling me BHO has not been promising amnesty under the guise of immigratin reform? Bill, you need to read more.

Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts.

[rickjump1 0]

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>illegals can get soso security after only a breif stint at work.

So now it's "after they work" instead of "immediate?"

In other words, they get some of the money they paid into it back when they retire? Doesn't sound so evil when you put it that way.

A LEGAL immigrant, having not worked one day in the United States, can get off the boat and draw social security if they are of age; 62 or older.

Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts.

[marks2065 0]

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>illegals can get soso security after only a breif stint at work.

So now it's "after they work" instead of "immediate?"

In other words, they get some of the money they paid into it back when they retire? Doesn't sound so evil when you put it that way.

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after 6 months? why? social securoty was for hard working americans not dead beats. and now the illegal problem may get worse.www.youtube.com/watch?v=oP1UQMd7VMw

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[billvon 2,998]

>social securoty was for hard working americans not dead beats.

Exactly. If you don't work, you don't get social security. Seems pretty fair, eh?

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>social securoty was for hard working americans not dead beats.

Exactly. If you don't work, you don't get social security. Seems pretty fair, eh?

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then why does someone that is not a citizen and only paid payroll taxes for 6 months gets $1400 a month?

[billvon 2,998]

>then why does someone that is not a citizen and only paid payroll
>taxes for 6 months gets $1400 a month?

They don't.

[mnealtx 0]

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>then why does someone that is not a citizen and only paid payroll
>taxes for 6 months gets $1400 a month?

They don't.

I didn't know you had access to all social security payment records, Bill.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[downwardspiral 0]

Hey Mike. Here's one for you library.


http://smoothstoneblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/dididothat.jpg


If you don't have it already.

www.FourWheelerHB.com

[mnealtx 0]

I'd seen that one, yeah... here's one in return

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[marks2065 0]

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>then why does someone that is not a citizen and only paid payroll
>taxes for 6 months gets $1400 a month?

They don't.

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yes, they do.

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[billvon 2,998]

>yes, they do.

OK, prove it. Point out an illegal alien who has only paid payroll taxes for six months, then stops working and gets $1400 a year in Social Security.

[mnealtx 0]

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>yes, they do.

OK, prove it. Point out an illegal alien who has only paid payroll taxes for six months, then stops working and gets $1400 a year in Social Security.

So, you really DON'T have access to the Social Security pay records, then? How did you know that they don't get the pay, then?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706