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Just found this rebuttal of Carlin's paper. Who knew science could be so mean?

From RealClimate

Good, you are out there looking! And the rbuttals will, and should keep coming because this science as today is far from settled, which is different than from those like billvon would have us believe...

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[mnealtx 0]

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>I must have missed the reports on all those coal power plants, SUVs
>and cement factories on Mars.

Ah, I was hoping you had realized the solar system had more than two planets. I guess you have some more research to do. Let us know what you discover.

And I was hoped YOU had realized that warming could have more than one cause. Let us know when you find the anthropogenic cause for Mars, then.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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I see no reason to drill drill drill if it's just going to feed fat fucks in Suburbans, Hummers, or Land Rovers.

Call me silly or un-American, but I think we need to get the fat fucks on board, and one is not going to do that with talk about lack of oil availability in future generations (i.e. not their own), much less CO2 emissions.

I might not be as discerning toward man-made climate change as billvon and others, but I do know a bit about getting people to do what I want them to.

I mean, how cute are some of the new cloth bags designers have come out with? Hello? Would a raging teen desperate to fit in be caught dead with plastic? I think not!

Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back.

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I might not be as discerning toward man-made climate change as billvon and others, but I do know a bit about getting people to do what I want them to.

How do you make people give up tall, plush seats with enough storage to outfit a SEAL team, in place of a Corolla with a 10k$ battery pack? It goes against our nature, and the freeloader principle.

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> Let us know when you find the anthropogenic cause for Mars, then.

Probably from the same aliens who are cooling down the outer planets.

If only the solar system had two planets, your comment might have some meaning. As it is, it's just another talking point regurgitated without understanding from a denier website.

[mnealtx 0]

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> Let us know when you find the anthropogenic cause for Mars, then.

Probably from the same aliens who are cooling down the outer planets.

If only the solar system had two planets, your comment might have some meaning. As it is, it's just another talking point regurgitated without understanding from a denier website.

That evidently makes yours a talking point reguritated without hard proof from a zealot website.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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Just found this rebuttal of Carlin's paper. Who knew science could be so mean?

From RealClimate

Good, you are out there looking! And the rbuttals will, and should keep coming because this science as today is far from settled, which is different than from those like billvon would have us believe...

Tis a pity that Carlin is NOT a climatologist, isn't it?

[billvon 2,990]

>That evidently makes yours a talking point reguritated without hard
>proof from a zealot website.

And which talking point would that be, pray tell? If, to you, the fact that the solar system has more than two planets - and that they all share the same sun - is a talking point, then you and I have different definitions of what a talking point is.

[rushmc 23]

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> Let us know when you find the anthropogenic cause for Mars, then.

Probably from the same aliens who are cooling down the outer planets.

If only the solar system had two planets, your comment might have some meaning. As it is, it's just another talking point regurgitated without understanding from a denier website.

You really have no straight answer to any questions do you?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 2,990]

>You really have no straight answer to any questions do you?

Yes, I do! However, since no question was asked, I figured I'd just post a reply as dumb as the post I was replying to.

Do you have any other questions?

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The truth? That SUV drivers are idiots? That SUV's kill children and puppies?

yep, typical lawyer, skewing what people say to get brownie points for yourself.

so, mountain boy, when you drive up to your cabin, on your undulating muddy, icy terrain.

do you think a suburban wouuld be a good option, over a shorter wheel based , econimical, lighter car?

You asked me what, I would think if;

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sombody bought a surban,purely for fun

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those things would get stuck in no time, i bet nobody ever competes with then in 4wd competitions, they are made for soccer mums.

you drive a volvo so i know you know this, biut you are not willing to admit it.

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So you are in favor of the destruction of ecosystems along river valleys? Hydro-electric = Dam. Dams make reservoirs. Reservoirs flood valleys...

...What is done with the trees that are removed? Are they burned? Or are they left to decompose creating additional methane and CO2 emissions, in addition to the now lacking carbon sink effect that is now lost?

Is this justifiable?

if you read what i posted you will see that i mentioned the methane and tree removal but your lawyer like tunnel vision would have obscured that bit i suppose.

have yo ever seen an area of open cast coal mining?

we could go without cars, electricity, and all these things that contibute to pollution, but we will never go down that road, so we are left with the available options.

Look into New Zealands hydro electric scheme, it is good. Unfortunately not every country has the opportunity to have such infrastructure but it is a damn sight better than burning coal, or creating nuclear waste.

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I prefer not to send phosporus into the ecosystem and increase water pollution and usage by the utilization of cloth reusables. Resuing plastic bags is something that I do, however.

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I try not to waste because it costs me money. The less energy I use, the more money I save.

so if you could save a buck by destroying a peice of nature, would you do it?

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

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but one thing is for certain, we are decemating the stability of the earths ecosystems at a rate so high that it will take centuries to recover fully if we were to dissapear today.

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Your time scale might have a wee error in it.

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when you drive up to your cabin, on your undulating muddy, icy terrain.

do you think a suburban wouuld be a good option, over a shorter wheel based , econimical, lighter car?

No. A suburban would have problems of its own with regard to getting there. It's also more hassle than I deem it to be worth. I don't want a Suburban. I don't want a Hummer. I want something that will nicely address the requirements I have. I don't need a Hummer - I won't be doing the type of driving for which it is designed. They make, in my opinion, shitty road vehicles and are lousy on mileage, maintenance and comfort. (I've spent thousands of miles on the road in Hummers in my time with Uncle Sam. No thank you.)

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those things would get stuck in no time, i bet nobody ever competes with then in 4wd competitions, they are made for soccer mums

Yes. I agree. I consider a Suburban to be a personal version of the Short Bus. But for many, it's what they want. Not my choice, but theirs. They are not, in my opinion, vehicles that are useful for much except for driving a land tank or for the carrying of a bunch of kids or adults.

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you drive a volvo so i know you know this, biut you are not willing to admit it

I just did. My Volvo, in fact, has not been stuck. I still put cables on the tires for additional traction. I am also fortunate that mud has never been an issue (sloping land helps that).

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if you read what i posted you will see that i mentioned the methane and tree removal but your lawyer like tunnel vision would have obscured that bit i suppose.

Yes. And not having tunnel vision, I figures that the trees did not merely vanish. They had to decompose, as well. They have leaves, needles, etc., that tend to decompose into CO2 aerobically, or CH4 anaerobically. Just because they are not decomposing at the bottom of a reservoir doesn't mean they aren't decomposing.

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have yo ever seen an area of open cast coal mining?

Yes, I have. I have also seen the behemoth drag line excavators. Being in California, though, I don't think we have any coal-fired generating plants. However, California's power usage requires the utilization of coal power generated from other states onto the grid. Thus, California cannot claim to be coal-free.

This is actually my biggest issue with "Plug in" vehicles. "Zero EMissions Vehicles." Yes, the vehicles do not themselves emit any emissions. They do, however, suck their power from sources that do.

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Look into New Zealands hydro electric scheme, it is good. Unfortunately not every country has the opportunity to have such infrastructure but it is a damn sight better than burning coal, or creating nuclear waste.

Look at Iceland's. Now THAT is how to generate elecricity. Iceland generates a quarter of its energy through geothermal sources. These plants even produce hot water for consumer use. I think they use something like a tenth of a percent of their electrical generation from fossil fuels. The rest is from hydro power.

The United States has more geothermal capacity than any other place in the world, and geothermal has the theoretical possibility of generating 20% of the US electricity. But the US is also an example of why geothermal - it is not something universally available

New Zealand has the natural resources for geothermal and does a right good job of using it, though they could probably do more.

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so if you could save a buck by destroying a peice of nature, would you do it?

Depends. Neither I nor most others seem to have problems eradicating small pox, killing mosquitos, etc. Most find no difficulty removing native flora and fauna and planting fruits and vegetables. Indeed, the health benefits that mankind saw through the introduction of affordable cotton textiles is astounding.

We destroy a little bit of nature all the time and through everything we do. And usually, it is for our comfort and survival. We usually pay the person who can best supply us with these items.

You prefer to flood river valleys to get your power. I prefer solar and nuclear, since these seem to have less of an effect on nature - I don't have to destroy 150,000 acres to build a nuclear power plant.

My wife is hotter than your wife.