Fits with "why don't people work"

[makeithappen40 0]

Ok. Now all we need to do is show how mj is going to be cheaper as a result of its legalization.


This means answering questions about taxes, who will sell the drug, who will be able to purchase the drug, and so on will be of increasing importance.

Also, for future reference, is this issue about legalization for purely medical reasons, or legalization for everyone above a certain age? (Like cigarettes)

If it is about legalization for purely medical reasons, we will still need to answer as to how theft won't hurt people there. (I think it will, just like grandma gets hurt whenever someone steals her pain medication.)

[futuredivot 0]

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How many people steal motorcycles to buy cigarettes?

I think price might be more of a driver here than legality.

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?? Making marijuana legal would END all that, which is what we're talking about here.

Not really. Alcohol is legal, but people still steal to get it.

Now, I don't have a problem with people doing drugs.... As long as they don't affect anyone else. The problem is in many cases it does.

I don't care of a guy gets wasted, but the problems from his addiction should not be mine. I should not have to give money (welfare) to people who are so baked/sloshed they can't keep or get a job. It also includes me not being willing to pay for their health problems related to drugs; If some methhead wants to rot his teeth, then I should not have to pay for his dental work.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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If some methhead wants to rot his teeth, then I should not have to pay for his dental work.

Absolutely. The obvious solution here is to stop paying for those programs. Then there would be no solid justification for continuing with our current rendition of prohibition.

-- Tom Aiello

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[makeithappen40 0]

>If some methhead wants to rot his teeth, then I should not have to pay for his dental work.

And if some swooper breaks both of his legs, I don't want to have to pay for that, either.

>Now, I don't have a problem with people doing drugs.... As long as they don't affect anyone else. The problem is in many cases it does.

Do you have a problem with skydiving then?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrRsTLC4Gkw&feature=fvw


Edit: On a side issue, he survived the landing. Looks like self interest works!

[bdazel 0]

An example of how smoking mj personally affects me:

For work, I often must spend extra time fixing messes created by people who were too forgetful or lazy or just plain scatterbrained to do the job right.

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An example of how an irresponsible individual smoking mj personally affects me:

For work, I often must spend extra time fixing messes created by people who were too forgetful or lazy or just plain scatterbrained to do the job right.

Fixed it for you.

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

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Do you have a problem with skydiving then?

No, but I should not have to pay for your accidents.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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An example of how smoking mj personally affects me:

For work, I often must spend extra time fixing messes created by people who were too forgetful or lazy or just plain scatterbrained to do the job right.

That seems to be an argument to reinstate Prohibition of alcohol. As it now stands, people can legally buy and consume alcohol, thereby making it easier for them to come to work hungover or drunk. The incidence of that might reduce if beverage alcohol was made unlawful.

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An example of how an irresponsible individual smoking mj personally affects me:

For work, I often must spend extra time fixing messes created by people who were too forgetful or lazy or just plain scatterbrained to do the job right.

Fixed it for you.

Funny, but wrong. You assume there is no correlation. Thanks for the smile though.

[bdazel 0]

Nope. Not making that argument.

In my experience when someone is drunk at work they get fired. When someone is hungover, they don't work, and then there is no problem to fix.

[wmw999 2,440]

So in other words drunk is OK because the boss can can them, hung over is OK because they're inoperative, but stoned isn't OK because they mess things up?

And how do you know that they're stoned, and not just naturally scatter-brained or not real smart?

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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An example of how an irresponsible individual smoking mj personally affects me:

For work, I often must spend extra time fixing messes created by people who were too forgetful or lazy or just plain scatterbrained to do the job right.

Fixed it for you.

Funny, but wrong. You assume there is no correlation. Thanks for the smile though.

Have you performed multiple scientific studies that prove there is a correlation? I doubt it ... stop blaming the drugs and start blaming the individuals.

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

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Nope. Not making that argument.

In my experience when someone is drunk at work they get fired. When someone is hungover, they don't work, and then there is no problem to fix.

And when someone is under the influence of marijuana at work they get fired. What is your point?

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

[makeithappen40 0]

Fair enough.

I'm just showing you how skydiving affects others in the way that you said wasn't ok for meth.

"Now, I don't have a problem with people doing drugs.... As long as they don't affect anyone else. The problem is in many cases it does."

Skydiving too.
You don't have a problem with skydiving, even if it affects someone else. Why do you think differently about meth?

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>No, but I should not have to pay for your accidents.

Here's a question that so far no one who opposes socialized medicine has been able to answer:

Let's say you have a friend of yours who is somewhat irresponsible. He makes a living doing camera and jumps a tiny canopy. He's told you that if he gets hurt, he is going to just go to the hospital, get patched up and not pay because he has no money (and can't work when he's hurt.)

Late in the day you see him try a 270, hit hard, and not get up. You get there and you see that he has a compound femur and probably a broken back. He's unconscious and is bleeding pretty badly. You're the most experienced first responder there and go out there to see what you can do.

Do you call 911?

[makeithappen40 0]

That is a different argument though bill.

He doesn't want to pay. He never said that he would just let someone rot there.

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Nope. Not making that argument.

In my experience when someone is drunk at work they get fired. When someone is hungover, they don't work, and then there is no problem to fix.

And when someone is under the influence of marijuana at work they get fired. What is your point?

lol. What's your point? Did I suggest anyone was under the influence of marijuana at work?

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Ok. Now all we need to do is show how mj is going to be cheaper as a result of its legalization.


This means answering questions about taxes, who will sell the drug, who will be able to purchase the drug, and so on will be of increasing importance.

Also, for future reference, is this issue about legalization for purely medical reasons, or legalization for everyone above a certain age? (Like cigarettes)

If it is about legalization for purely medical reasons, we will still need to answer as to how theft won't hurt people there. (I think it will, just like grandma gets hurt whenever someone steals her pain medication.)

Does anybody know, without doing a lot of research, if the price of alcohol to the consumer was more or less during prohibition?

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

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An example of how an irresponsible individual smoking mj personally affects me:

For work, I often must spend extra time fixing messes created by people who were too forgetful or lazy or just plain scatterbrained to do the job right.

Fixed it for you.

Funny, but wrong. You assume there is no correlation. Thanks for the smile though.

Have you performed multiple scientific studies that prove there is a correlation? I doubt it ... stop blaming the drugs and start blaming the individuals.

Have you performed multiple scientific studies that prove there is not a correlation? I doubt it ...

Sometimes a little simple observation and common sense go long way.

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Nope. Not making that argument.

In my experience when someone is drunk at work they get fired. When someone is hungover, they don't work, and then there is no problem to fix.

And when someone is under the influence of marijuana at work they get fired. What is your point?

lol. What's your point? Did I suggest anyone was under the influence of marijuana at work?

Ha, ha. Stop massaging semantics. In Post 81, you clearly implied that the reason you had to clean-up other fuck-ups' fucked-ups is that their fuck-ups are the result of being addled from being fucked-up.

("At work"? Yeah, ok, we're idiots.)

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So in other words drunk is OK because the boss can can them, hung over is OK because they're inoperative, but stoned isn't OK because they mess things up?

Uh... not really. I said nothing about what is OK (whatever that means ). I said what affects me personally. Having to fix other people's screw-ups pisses me off and wastes my personal time. When the person is not there to screw anything up, then I don't have to fix it.

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Have you performed multiple scientific studies that prove there is not a correlation? I doubt it ...

Sometimes a little simple observation and common sense go long way.

Actually scientific studies and correlation are what proves common sense to be accurate, rather than simply what one wants to believe.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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Nope. Not making that argument.

In my experience when someone is drunk at work they get fired. When someone is hungover, they don't work, and then there is no problem to fix.

And when someone is under the influence of marijuana at work they get fired. What is your point?

lol. What's your point? Did I suggest anyone was under the influence of marijuana at work?

Ha, ha. Stop massaging semantics. In Post 81, you clearly implied that the reason you had to clean-up other fuck-ups' fucked-ups is that their fuck-ups are the result of being addled from being fucked-up.

("At work"? Yeah, ok, we're idiots.)

Wrong again. I clearly did no such thing. Re-read post 81. I think you are seeing what you want to see, rather than what is on the screen in front of your face.

[bdazel 0]

No disagreement here.