Butters 0 #101 July 6, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteNope. Not making that argument. In my experience when someone is drunk at work they get fired. When someone is hungover, they don't work, and then there is no problem to fix. And when someone is under the influence of marijuana at work they get fired. What is your point? lol. What's your point? Did I suggest anyone was under the influence of marijuana at work? Yes, you did suggest it ... QuoteAn example of how smoking mj personally affects me: For work, I often must spend extra time fixing messes created by people who were too forgetful or lazy or just plain scatterbrained to do the job right. ... it appears that you don't have to be under the influence of marijuana to be forgetful."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #102 July 6, 2009 QuoteHave you performed multiple scientific studies that prove there is not a correlation? I doubt it ... I don't have to, I'm not the one stating there is a correlation."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
makeithappen40 0 #103 July 6, 2009 >What's your point? Did I suggest anyone was under the influence of marijuana at work? Either you work with them/for them/ or you provide a service for them. Quote An example of how smoking mj personally affects me: For work, I often must spend extra time fixing messes created by people who were too forgetful or lazy or just plain scatterbrained to do the job right. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bdazel 0 #104 July 6, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteNope. Not making that argument. In my experience when someone is drunk at work they get fired. When someone is hungover, they don't work, and then there is no problem to fix. And when someone is under the influence of marijuana at work they get fired. What is your point? lol. What's your point? Did I suggest anyone was under the influence of marijuana at work? Yes, you did suggest it ... QuoteAn example of how smoking mj personally affects me: For work, I often must spend extra time fixing messes created by people who were too forgetful or lazy or just plain scatterbrained to do the job right. ... it appears that you don't have to be under the influence of marijuana to be forgetful. Ah ha. There's where you screwed up. Effects of mj linger after the 'buzz' is gone. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bdazel 0 #105 July 6, 2009 Quote Quote Have you performed multiple scientific studies that prove there is not a correlation? I doubt it ... I don't have to, I'm not the one stating there is a correlation. Ok... then I don't have to either. I'm not the one stating there is not a correlation. How long do you want to keep this up? I'm getting bored real fast. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
makeithappen40 0 #106 July 6, 2009 >Ah ha. There's where you screwed up. Effects of mj linger after the 'buzz' is gone. Nice! You've exploited your own ambiguity. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #107 July 6, 2009 Quote Quote I don't have to, I'm not the one stating there is a correlation. Ok... then I don't have to either. I'm not the one stating there is not a correlation. The onus of proof is placed on the individual making the statement. You stated there is a correlation thus the onus of proof is on you. Quote How long do you want to keep this up? I'm getting bored real fast. Instead of getting bored you should just go back to being bliss (and ignorant) ..."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #108 July 6, 2009 QuoteAn example of how smoking mj personally affects me: For work, I often must spend extra time fixing messes created by people who were too forgetful or lazy or just plain scatterbrained to do the job right. The problem there is that you guys employ forgetful, lazy people. The correct solution is to fire them and replace them with people who aren't forgetful and lazy.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bdazel 0 #109 July 6, 2009 Quote Quote Quote I don't have to, I'm not the one stating there is a correlation. Ok... then I don't have to either. I'm not the one stating there is not a correlation. The onus of proof is placed on the individual making the statement. You stated there is a correlation thus the onus of proof is on you. Quote How long do you want to keep this up? I'm getting bored real fast. Instead of getting bored you should just go back to being bliss (and ignorant) ... If I were in a courtroom, that MIGHT be the case. It would be dependent on many different variables. BUT, this is a simple online forum. Is there a rule book somewhere that I don't know about? If so, then you are correct, I am ignorant of your stated rule. As for bliss, well I am getting a kick out of how adamant you are to shoot down my comments - but not quite near bliss yet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bdazel 0 #110 July 6, 2009 QuoteQuoteAn example of how smoking mj personally affects me: For work, I often must spend extra time fixing messes created by people who were too forgetful or lazy or just plain scatterbrained to do the job right. The problem there is that you guys employ forgetful, lazy people. The correct solution is to fire them and replace them with people who aren't forgetful and lazy. Agreed. If I had that power, I would make that happen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #111 July 6, 2009 QuoteQuoteIf the law is worth having, then it's worth being enforced. If the law should not exist, then the best interest to society is to delete it. Having laws that are not enforced makes a mockery of law. Having unjust laws, enforcing unjust laws, and having unenforceable laws makes a mockery of law. I agree with the 3rd point - it's my point exactly. As for the other two points (unjust and enforcing unjust laws) - it is not up to law enforcement what to enforce and what not to enforce. Enforcement and law making, by necessity, must be separate entities. So I can't agree with the first two parts. Only if we enforce all laws, do we have the feedback process in place to keep those that make sense, and remove those that don't. It would certainly behoove government to reduce the total load to eliminate all subjective laws, then. Else each of us decides individually what we think is "unjust" laws. If it's 'unjust', and on the books, and it's enforced, then I bet we'd see more direct action to get that law off the books. If it's 'unjust, and on the books and law ignores it, then it stays on the books. I'm talking end game for society, not just the most expedient thing for a couple guys wanting to gratify an urge. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #112 July 6, 2009 Quote>Here's a question that so far no one who opposes socialized medicine has been able to answer..... hypothetical skydiver hurts himself..... Do you call 911? I'll answer - Yes or No (I need more details - the name) (now that's just cold) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #113 July 6, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteIf the law is worth having, then it's worth being enforced. If the law should not exist, then the best interest to society is to delete it. Having laws that are not enforced makes a mockery of law. Having unjust laws, enforcing unjust laws, and having unenforceable laws makes a mockery of law. It would certainly behoove government to reduce the total load to eliminate all subjective laws, then. Else each of us decides individually what we think is "unjust" laws. If it's 'unjust', and on the books, and it's enforced, then I bet we'd see more direct action to get that law off the books. If it's 'unjust, and on the books and law ignores it, then it stays on the books. I'm talking end game for society, not just the most expedient thing for a couple guys wanting to gratify an urge. I agree with Henry David Thoreau that if a law is clearly unjust and the ability or process of revoking the law is not expedient then the law deserves no respect and it should be broken through civil disobedience."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #114 July 6, 2009 Utter nonsense. I think the jumper that plowed into the crowd should be held accountable for their actions too. I don't give them a free pass since they are doing an activity I like. Not even a nice attempt."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #115 July 6, 2009 That question HAS been answered. You just ignore the answer. I'll answer this time around... You call 911 and he gets basic life saving treatment. You then bill him. If he defualts then you put a lean on his earnings. You give him basic care... Which means he does not get the expensive surgery that would fix his limp. Now a question for you that is just as absurd... He has been told to upsize and has ignored you. He hits the ground, you call 911 and then suddenly the emt's ask for your credit card number.... Are you just going to give it to them and pay the bill yourself?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #116 July 6, 2009 >You call 911 and he gets basic life saving treatment. OK, cool; most people would do the same. So you want him to get care even though you know as surely as you can that he will not pay for it, and are willing to start the process to provide him with that care. >You give him basic care... Which means he does not get the >expensive surgery that would fix his limp. Agreed. The only place we disagree is who pays the bill. You think it should be the doctor, or the hospital, or "someone else" as long as it's not you. (Since it's a given that it won't be him.) I think we all have a responsibility to pay it. If we want basic services available for everyone - and are going to use 911 to get them care even when we know they will not pay - we have to be willing to pay for it. >Now a question for you that is just as absurd... He has been told to >upsize and has ignored you. He hits the ground, you call 911 and then >suddenly the emt's ask for your credit card number.... Are you just going >to give it to them and pay the bill yourself? Nope. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #117 July 6, 2009 QuoteI agree with Henry David Thoreau that if a law is clearly unjust and the ability or process of revoking the law is not expedient then the law deserves no respect and it should be broken through civil disobedience. still no disagreement, but the bit about "clearly unjust" can be very subjective - look at any subject in these forums for reference the part about "the ability or process of revoking the law is not expedient" isn't a good assumption when people don't actually do anything but gripe to their friends. It's even worse when there is a process in place and people just 'assume' the process is broken - that's typical of the lazy, they don't even try before they quit ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #118 July 7, 2009 Quotethe bit about "clearly unjust" can be very subjective - look at any subject in these forums for reference That is the problem, laws shouldn't be based on subjective reasoning, they should be based on objective reasoning. Creating laws based on subjective reasoning is like trying make people follow God without providing proof that God exists ... Quotethe part about "the ability or process of revoking the law is not expedient" isn't a good assumption when people don't actually do anything but gripe to their friends. It's even worse when there is a process in place and people just 'assume' the process is broken - that's typical of the lazy, they don't even try before they quit I agree."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #119 July 7, 2009 QuoteOK, cool; most people would do the same. So you want him to get care even though you know as surely as you can that he will not pay for it, and are willing to start the process to provide him with that care. Of course... but I think every effort should be made to have him pay for his stupid acts. QuoteAgreed. The only place we disagree is who pays the bill. You think it should be the doctor, or the hospital, or "someone else" as long as it's not you. (Since it's a given that it won't be him.) That's not what I said at all. You should read my post again. Quote>Now a question for you that is just as absurd... He has been told to >upsize and has ignored you. He hits the ground, you call 911 and then >suddenly the emt's ask for your credit card number.... Are you just going >to give it to them and pay the bill yourself? Nope. Then why are you willing to walk around the DZ and make all of us give our credit card numbers to them?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #120 July 7, 2009 QuoteThen why are you willing to walk around the DZ and make all of us give our credit card numbers to them? clearly not true, as a true liberal he only wants some people to give their credit cards to the EMTs and others not to - that list will be provided later - after the program is approved. - really, the list isn't important - trust me, it's not, you just have to believe that BHO and congress are only thinking of the greater good - the list isn't important - hope - change - and hope ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #121 July 7, 2009 Quote >Now a question for you that is just as absurd... He has been told to >upsize and has ignored you. He hits the ground, you call 911 and then >suddenly the emt's ask for your credit card number.... Are you just going >to give it to them and pay the bill yourself? Nope. So who should pay it then?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
