Obama's Passport~Try Again

[RonD1120 62]

http://therushreport.wordpress.com/2009/06/29/obamas-passport/

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Obama’s Passport

Posted in Uncategorized by therushreport on June 29, 2009
Obama’s Passport

This is so simple, I wonder why no one thought of this before . . .

While having little interest in getting in the middle of the Obama birth
issue, Paul Hollrah over at FSM did so yesterday and believes the issue can be resolved by Obama answering one simple question: What passport did he use when he was shuttling between New York , Jakarta , and Karachi ?

How did a young man who arrived in New York in early June 1981, without the price of a hotel room in his pocket, suddenly come up with the price of a round-the-world trip just a month later? And once he was on a plane, shuttling between New York, Jakarta and Karachi , what passport was he offering when he passed through Customs and Immigration?
The American people not only deserve to have answers to these questions, they must have answers. It makes the debate over Obama’s citizenship a rather short and simple one.

Q: Did he travel to Pakistan in 1981, at age 20?

A: Yes, by his own admission.

Q: What passport did he travel under?

A: There are only three possibilities: he traveled with a U.S. passport, a
British passport, or with an Indonesian passport.

Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. passport in 1981?

A: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department’s “no travel” list in 1981.

Conclusion: When Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was traveling either with a British passport or an Indonesian passport.

If he was traveling with a British passport that would provide proof that
he was born in Kenya on August 4, 1961, not in Hawaii as he claims. And if he was traveling with an Indonesian passport that would tend to prove that he relinquished whatever previous citizenship he held, British or American, prior to being adopted by his Indonesian step-father in 1967.

Whatever the truth of the matter, the American people need to know how he managed to become a “natural born” American citizen between 1981 and 2008.
Given the destructive nature of his plans for America – as illustrated by
his speech before Congress and the disastrous spending plan he has
presented to Congress – the sooner we learn the truth of all this, the
better.

These birth certificate investigators are not going to give up.

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Per a U.S. State Department travel advisory to Pakistan dated August 17, 1981:

Before traveling to Pakistan, American citizens should be aware of the following updated visa requirements: 30 day visas are available at Pakistani airports for tourists only. As these visas are rarely extended beyond the 30 day time period, tourists planning to stay longer should secure visas before coming to Pakistan. [3]
A June 14, 1981 New York Times article moreover states that travel to Pakistan in 1981 using a U.S. passport was not only possible but relatively easy:

Lahore, the capital of Pakistan's Punjab province, has an international airport served by Pakistan International Airlines and (from New Delhi) by Indian Airlines, India's domestic carrier. Connections with other international airlines can be made through Karachi...

Source: http://obama.voterfactcheck.com/facts/ob/10/pakistan_visa_1981.shtml

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[1969912 0]

I seriously doubt that there was ever a no-travel policy for Pakistan. That's not to say that I'm 100% convinced that he was born where/when his handlers say he was.

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[georgerussia 0]

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Q: What passport did he travel under?
A: There are only three possibilities: he traveled with a U.S. passport, a
British passport, or with an Indonesian passport.

A typical example of selective thinking. Why couldn't he have two or three passports? It's a very typical situation for someone who was born in US and had one or both parents who are foreign citizens. For example, my son right now has three citizenships, and could have three passports - and it is completely legal.

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Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. passport in 1981?

A: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department’s “no travel” list in 1981.

I can't imagine someone who actually lives on this planet would actually believe in this - if it's against the law (and I'm not even sure about it), it obviously didn't happen, right? And people don't travel to Cuba either...

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[riddler 0]

I really prefer the Obama conspiracy theories to the W conspiracy theories. I would rather hear people say the POTUS is a muslim/foreigner than the POTUS was mastermind of the 9/11 attack.

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[Skyrad 0]

Its true, he's actually a British Muslim who went to Pakistan to study at a Madrasa.... Oh shit someone check his shoes before he gets back onto Air Force One!

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[jerryzflies 0]

Hard to belive that anyone would waste their time on this stupidity (either inventing it or believing it).

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I seriously doubt that there was ever a no-travel policy for Pakistan. That's not to say that I'm 100% convinced that he was born where/when his handlers say he was.

In researching this, what I came up with is this: if he was born in Kenya, then his mother, if married, would not have been able to pass US citizenship on to BHO because she was too young. But if born out of wedlock, BHO would have been a natural born citizen.

As far as I can tell, the elder BHO never legally divorced his first wife--meaning that his marriage to his second wife--BHO's mother--was technically an act of bigamy, not legal, and hence BHO technically WAS born out of wedlock--as as such has a perfectly valid claim to US citizenship.

I believe BHO was probably born in Kenya. Nevertheless, BHO IS legally a US citizen and IS entitled to be president--but from a legal perspective his claim rests on the idea of his father being a bigamist. As BHO clearly deeply admires his father, forcing BHO to address this issue in detail would be very embarrassing for BHO--so people are allowing him some space on this issue, knowing that in the end it wouldn't affect the outcome--he'd still be president.

As for the Hawaii birth certificate that has been posted on the Internet, I believe it is valid (not fraudulently obtained) but was probably obtained in a time of bureaucratic confusion (Hawaii had only just become a state in 1961) and probably doesn't represent absolute proof of where he was born.

Basically I think there are legitimate questions about where he was born--BHO may not know the full details himself; he was only an infant at the time

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[Gawain 0]

It's funny that all of this would go away in an instant if President Obama would simply produce the long form birth certificate. That's all it takes.


Sen. McCain appeared before a Senate Sub-committee to validate his birth certificate and that he was born on American soil. Then-Senator Obama did no such thing, and under equal or even more scrutiny.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[riddler 0]

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It's funny that all of this would go away in an instant if President Obama would simply produce the long form birth certificate.

We should all post our birth certificates online for the whole world to see. That would make all of us feel better about each other. Of course fraud would go way up, but all that matters is our feelings.

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[Gawain 0]

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It's funny that all of this would go away in an instant if President Obama would simply produce the long form birth certificate.

We should all post our birth certificates online for the whole world to see. That would make all of us feel better about each other. Of course fraud would go way up, but all that matters is our feelings.

Funny, I didn't advocate that, but if you're game, have a go...

We know everyone is focused on feelings, that why they voted for him in the first place...he made them "feel" good...

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[SivaGanesha 2]

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It's funny that all of this would go away in an instant if President Obama would simply produce the long form birth certificate. That's all it takes.

If he was born in Hawaii--I think it more likely he was born in Kenya but still possible he was born in Hawaii--the "long form" birth certificate may list specific witnesses who are still living and who are not named on the "short form" birth certificate. Is it fair to subject those witnesses--who are probably elderly by now--to intense press scrutiny by releasing their names? Especially since as far as I can tell BHO is still a US citizen even if born in Kenya?

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[billvon 2,998]

>It's funny that all of this would go away in an instant if President Obama
>would simply produce the long form birth certificate.

Are you kidding? As soon as he did that, someone would notice a misspelling, and therefore claim the document was invalid - and therefore HE'S A TERRORIST!

As soon as someone produces a legal US birth certificate, the case is closed. The burden of proof then falls to the accuser to prove that it's a forgery. They can make all the noise they like, of course, but it just makes them look silly.

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It's funny that all of this would go away in an instant if President Obama would simply produce the long form birth certificate.

We should all post our birth certificates online for the whole world to see.

As soon as we all run for President?

-- Tom Aiello

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It's funny that all of this would go away in an instant if President Obama would simply produce the long form birth certificate. That's all it takes.

If he was born in Hawaii--I think it more likely he was born in Kenya but still possible he was born in Hawaii--the "long form" birth certificate may list specific witnesses who are still living and who are not named on the "short form" birth certificate. Is it fair to subject those witnesses--who are probably elderly by now--to intense press scrutiny by releasing their names? Especially since as far as I can tell BHO is still a US citizen even if born in Kenya?

A long-form Certificate would not require a testimony from the witnesses. Shortly after Hawaii became a state, they had a vehicle to allow people to get birth certificates (short form) based on nothing other than the claimant's word. To my knowledge that is all that has been produced.

As for "witnesses" etc...there needn't be any press on them if the campaign had simply produced the document to begin with.

So, my first point still stands, all this could have been avoided, and I personally think it's just an item to keep fringe types occupied while other sh*t is going on...

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[Andy9o8 2]

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It's funny that all of this would go away in an instant if President Obama would simply produce the long form birth certificate. That's all it takes.

That argument buys into the presumption that Obama - a lawyer married to a lawyer, mind you - believes that his long-form is evidence that he is not Constitutionally qualified to be President, and that he is deliberately concealing it in order to defraud the American people. You really want to go on record as buying into that presumption?

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Sen. McCain appeared before a Senate Sub-committee to validate his birth certificate and that he was born on American soil. Then-Senator Obama did no such thing, and under equal or even more scrutiny.

Of course, that fails to account for McCain's shyness to release all of his medical records.

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It's funny that all of this would go away in an instant if President Obama would simply produce the long form birth certificate. That's all it takes.

That argument buys into the presumption that Obama - a lawyer married to a lawyer, mind you - believes that his long-form is evidence that he is not Constitutionally qualified to be President, and that he is deliberately concealing it in order to defraud the American people. You really want to go on record as buying into that presumption?

I'm not buying into anything, I'm simply saying that this conversation would not be held if he would produce the document.

Now, you left something out, perhaps there is no long form in existence? It's possible given the disposition of the state at the time, but that's another conversation.

I'm simply reiterating that the certificate has not been produced.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[Andy9o8 2]

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I'm not buying into anything

I think you is.

[TomAiello 26]

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I'm not buying into anything

I think you is.

I think the whole issue is a distraction. There are a billion (well, actually a trillion) better things to focus on.

I do have to admit, though, that the administration's apparent unwillingness to release such a simple document only feeds the fires. It would be so simple to just release the document, show the proof, and move on. Which, of course, makes me wonder why they haven't done that.

The more cynical part of me thinks that they're refusing to release it because they want attention focused on this non-issue while they work on their policy agenda.

-- Tom Aiello

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[Andy9o8 2]

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The more cynical part of me thinks that they're refusing to release it because they want attention focused on this non-issue while they work on their policy agenda.

OK, lemme get this straight: They're pretending to refuse to enable other people's bullshit, as a way of actually enabling other people's bullshit, so they can enable the bullshitting of other people with their own bullshit. Got it.

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[Dutton 0]

Yeah, your right...

After all, with Mugabe being a product of Chicago politics I am sure he is completely honest and forthcoming.

A politician would never lie or use distraction to get an agenda across.

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[TomAiello 26]

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The more cynical part of me thinks that they're refusing to release it because they want attention focused on this non-issue while they work on their policy agenda.

OK, lemme get this straight: They're pretending to refuse to enable other people's bullshit, as a way of actually enabling other people's bullshit, so they can enable the bullshitting of other people with their own bullshit. Got it.

Stranger things have happened.

But, like I said, that's my more cynical part talking. By and large, I just think that the administration is being dumb about how they handle this issue, which isn't very typical, as they've been pretty sharp on most of their issue handling.

-- Tom Aiello

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[Skyrad 0]

Does it really matter???? He is the POTUS and he is an American.

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I do have to admit, though, that the administration's apparent unwillingness to release such a simple document only feeds the fires. It would be so simple to just release the document, show the proof, and move on. Which, of course, makes me wonder why they haven't done that.

The 9/11 conspiracy nuts (including our residents here) aren't satisfied with any amount of evidence that could be presented. Spending your time to try to get them to go away is time you could have used for something more useful. Same here.

[TomAiello 26]

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Does it really matter???? He is the POTUS and he is an American.

In general, I think the birth requirement for POTUS is outdated. Who is more American than someone born elsewhere who choses to become an American?

But, the issue here is one of transparency and trust (big Obama campaign issues). If it turned out that he was lying about such a central issue as his qualifications to be President (and remember, there are really only a handful of them--born in the USA, 35 years old), it'd destroy a lot of the faith people feel in him.

If people want to eliminate the "born in" requirement, there's a process for doing that, and I'd support such a movement. But it'd be patently unfair to cheat the system while other ineligible leaders (Arnold Schwarzenegger, for example) are excluded from running.

-- Tom Aiello

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