Rstanley0312 1 #26 July 6, 2009 QuoteQuoteIt's funny that all of this would go away in an instant if President Obama would simply produce the long form birth certificate. We should all post our birth certificates online for the whole world to see. That would make all of us feel better about each other. Of course fraud would go way up, but all that matters is our feelings. If you are running for president yes because you have to be a born citizen.... why is that hard to follow. As for this whole issue..... no matter what it will never stick and Obama is our president. Can you imagine what would happen in the US if he were removed.... the "chosen one". seriously though it would be bad. I have my doubts that he is a born citizen but rather than trying to push something that will NEVER happen why not just look to the future. I know I am and am hoping that one day this country stops being a 2 party system bc both parties are screwed up right now..... it is pretty scary.Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #27 July 6, 2009 Quote -the "long form" birth certificate may list specific witnesses who are still living and who are not named on the "short form" birth certificate. Is it fair to subject those witnesses--who are probably elderly by now--to intense press scrutiny by releasing their names? I can imagine the exciting testimony this would lead to. Q: Do you remember the birth of a child 40some years ago? A: uh, I guess? how do you cross examine it? Unless you witness the birth of a 3 head baby, or octuplets, why would anything about it be memorable? Or maybe the question I need to ask is who are witnesses? Hospital staff, or relatives? The first group isn't going to remember, and the second group isn't going to say anything to suggest he wasn't born in Hawaii. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #28 July 6, 2009 Quote with Mugabe being a product of Chicago politics Sigh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #29 July 6, 2009 Quote Quote The more cynical part of me thinks that they're refusing to release it because they want attention focused on this non-issue while they work on their policy agenda. OK, lemme get this straight: They're pretending to refuse to enable other people's bullshit, as a way of actually enabling other people's bullshit, so they can enable the bullshitting of other people with their own bullshit. Got it. I think I need a Bullshit Playbook. Have we reached "Peak Bullshit" yet? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,500 #30 July 6, 2009 QuoteI'm not buying into anything, I'm simply saying that this conversation would not be held if he would produce the document. Don't be so naive. Of course it would still be going on. Just look at the article quoted in the first post. An entire article based on a flat out lie just to try and keep the whole saga going. It doesn't matter what you produce, the conspiracy theorists will never give up, they'll just tell more lies.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SivaGanesha 2 #31 July 6, 2009 QuoteI can imagine the exciting testimony this would lead to. Q: Do you remember the birth of a child 40some years ago? A: uh, I guess? how do you cross examine it? Unless you witness the birth of a 3 head baby, or octuplets, why would anything about it be memorable? Or maybe the question I need to ask is who are witnesses? Hospital staff, or relatives? The first group isn't going to remember, and the second group isn't going to say anything to suggest he wasn't born in Hawaii. I'm not sure if you quite follow my point. I'm not exactly sure what information is on a long form Hawaii birth certificate from the early 1960's--it varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction and time to time--but often the long form birth certificate will include names of witnesses--physicians, nurses, midwifes, other informants--who witnessed or were connected with the birth in some way. Those names would NOT be on the short form birth certificate, but the state of Hawaii would already (confidentially) know who they are. This is all very routine and, yes, 99.9% of the time these witnesses aren't going to remember a thing from a routine birth nearly 50 years ago. But if BHO were to release the long form birth certificate, and it does include such names of witnesses, then those people are going to be the subject of intense press scrutiny (not to mention conspiracy theorists and various nuts) in the twilight of their lives--even if, as you've correctly pointed out, they have no useful information whatsoever to offer. That isn't a particularly classy thing to do to such people and it is a good reason for BHO to withhold the long form birth certificate even if he was in fact born in Hawaii."It's hard to have fun at 4-way unless your whole team gets down to the ground safely to do it again!"--Northern California Skydiving League re USPA Safety Day, March 8, 2014 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #32 July 6, 2009 QuoteThe 9/11 conspiracy nuts (including our residents here) aren't satisfied with any amount of evidence that could be presented. Spending your time to try to get them to go away is time you could have used for something more useful. Same here. Produce a peer review of the official nist report, and explain why they took so long to produce the report but could ammened it in a heartbeat when the so called theorists pointed out the flaws. then we might go away. That whole thing is a joke! Quote Save us The human, existence Is failing, resistance Essential, the future Written off, the odds are Astronomically against us Only moron and genius Would fight a losing battle Against the super ego When giving in is so damn comforting And so we go, on with our lives We know the truth, but prefer lies Lies are simple, simple is bliss Why go against tradition when we can Admit defeat, live in decline Be the victim of our own design The status quo, built on suspect Why would anyone stick out their neck? Fellow members of Club "We've Got Ours" I'd like to introduce you to our host He's got his, and I've got mine Meet the decline http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCz8PNvABO0 http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/nofx/thedecline.html"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #33 July 6, 2009 QuoteQuote -the "long form" birth certificate may list specific witnesses who are still living and who are not named on the "short form" birth certificate. Is it fair to subject those witnesses--who are probably elderly by now--to intense press scrutiny by releasing their names? I can imagine the exciting testimony this would lead to. Q: Do you remember the birth of a child 40some years ago? A: uh, I guess? how do you cross examine it? Unless you witness the birth of a 3 head baby, or octuplets, why would anything about it be memorable? Or maybe the question I need to ask is who are witnesses? Hospital staff, or relatives? The first group isn't going to remember, and the second group isn't going to say anything to suggest he wasn't born in Hawaii. Well he must have been glowing or something at birth. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Erroll 80 #34 July 7, 2009 Quote Quote with Mugabe being a product of Chicago politics Sigh. Sad really. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dutton 0 #35 July 7, 2009 Whoops. I mad someone sad. Let's see, how about... "With Idi Amin being a product of Chicago politics..." I mean I only have a few choices here. Turn that frown upside down! After 9/11 I referred to Bush's administration as the fourth reich numerous times! Make you feel better? Or does that sort of characterization only work one way? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #36 July 7, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteIt's funny that all of this would go away in an instant if President Obama would simply produce the long form birth certificate. We should all post our birth certificates online for the whole world to see. That would make all of us feel better about each other. Of course fraud would go way up, but all that matters is our feelings. If you are running for president yes because you have to be a born citizen.... why is that hard to follow. As for this whole issue..... no matter what it will never stick and Obama is our president. Can you imagine what would happen in the US if he were removed.... the "chosen one". seriously though it would be bad. I have my doubts that he is a born citizen but rather than trying to push something that will NEVER happen why not just look to the future. I know I am and am hoping that one day this country stops being a 2 party system bc both parties are screwed up right now..... it is pretty scary. And yet one more example of politicians saying, "Yeah, well, yeah we know it's 'The Law', but since it suits our purposes, we just won't tell anyone, and we'll try to circumvent it." If it is law - it is LAW - If I speed, I expect that I will be caught and punished, i accept it. If I steal from someone, I would expect to go to jail, if I did drugs, I would expect the same. It is FRAUD, if it is true, and should be dealt with accordingly. Right is right and wrong is wrong here. Even if we change the "Born In" law, it is still at this time active. Taking it to the extreme, if I murdered someone and then they made it legal to do so, I still broke the law, and should have to pay the consequences.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Erroll 80 #37 July 7, 2009 Quote Or does that sort of characterization only work one way? You are the only one making these absurd, infantile characterisations. I live 'next door' to Mugabe. I know what he does. Believe me, I am not mad. I only have pity for people who know not of what they speak, but choose to speak anyway. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dutton 0 #38 July 7, 2009 Gee, I'm sorry to hear you live next door to that particular A-hole. But, the particular A-hole I am alluding to is trying to destroy MY country and that is why WE get emotional about it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #39 July 8, 2009 Quote Hard to belive that anyone would waste their time on this stupidity (either inventing it or believing it). QuoteI guess the truth and following the laws of america and the constitution is not very important to you Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #40 July 8, 2009 >I guess the truth and following the laws of america and the constitution is not >very important to you. Oh, they're important. Conspiracy theories aren't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #41 July 8, 2009 Quote>I guess the truth and following the laws of america and the constitution is not >very important to you. Oh, they're important. Conspiracy theories aren't. Well then - if he would just turn over the documents there would be no theory then would there?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #42 July 8, 2009 QuoteWell then - if he would just turn over the documents there would be no theory then would there? Disproving all of the claims made by 9/11 conspiracy theorists with evidence and physics hasn't made those conspiracy theories go away. Why would a additional documents make this one go away?Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #43 July 8, 2009 >if he would just turn over the documents there would be no theory then would there? Are you kidding? It would get worse! Look at the 9/11 truthers. The more studies that are done, the more they are convinced that it's all a big coverup, He has produced a legal birth certificate. Case closed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #44 July 8, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuote -the "long form" birth certificate may list specific witnesses who are still living and who are not named on the "short form" birth certificate. Is it fair to subject those witnesses--who are probably elderly by now--to intense press scrutiny by releasing their names? I can imagine the exciting testimony this would lead to. Q: Do you remember the birth of a child 40some years ago? A: uh, I guess? how do you cross examine it? Unless you witness the birth of a 3 head baby, or octuplets, why would anything about it be memorable? Or maybe the question I need to ask is who are witnesses? Hospital staff, or relatives? The first group isn't going to remember, and the second group isn't going to say anything to suggest he wasn't born in Hawaii. Well he must have been glowing or something at birth. BHO's Kenyan auntie, who is in this country illegally, can tell you whether he glowed at birth in Kenya or somewhere else.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #45 July 8, 2009 Quote It's funny that all of this would go away in an instant if President Obama would simply produce the long form birth certificate. That's all it takes. For the sake of consistency, did other Presidents show their birth certificates to the public? Did you see GWB birth certificate?* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
futuredivot 0 #46 July 8, 2009 QuoteQuote It's funny that all of this would go away in an instant if President Obama would simply produce the long form birth certificate. That's all it takes. For the sake of consistency, did other Presidents avoid showing their birth certificates to the public? Did GWB refuse? For the record, I thing the whole birth debate is bogus-The B HO is making more important errors than thisYou are only as strong as the prey you devour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #47 July 9, 2009 QuoteQuote It's funny that all of this would go away in an instant if President Obama would simply produce the long form birth certificate. That's all it takes. For the sake of consistency, did other Presidents show their birth certificates to the public? Did you see GWB birth certificate? John McCain did.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #48 July 9, 2009 QuoteFor the record, I thing the whole birth debate is bogus-The B HO is making more important errors than this Absolutely. It's a distraction from real issues.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #49 July 9, 2009 QuoteJohn McCain did. Wow! Was he a President? I probably missed a lot while sleeping.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #50 July 9, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuote It's funny that all of this would go away in an instant if President Obama would simply produce the long form birth certificate. That's all it takes. For the sake of consistency, did other Presidents show their birth certificates to the public? Did you see GWB birth certificate? John McCain did. And McCain played fast and loose with his medical records And GW Bush did the same thing with his Nat Guard records Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
