wmw999 2,440 #26 July 7, 2009 I'd guess that depends on what you think makes it great. I'm with lawrocket, it's changing. If it's changing from something you think is great, then you think it's bad. If it's changing to something that you think is great, that's good. Many minorities and women probably like the America of now better than the America of the 60's and 70's. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dutton 0 #27 July 7, 2009 Perhaps the poster is referring to this? http://www.wimp.com/thegovernment/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #28 July 7, 2009 Actually, it's the general ability to change (peacefully) that makes it great.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
makeithappen40 0 #29 July 7, 2009 Unless of course they look like hippies, drug users, or "lazy," then it would be ok. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
makeithappen40 0 #30 July 7, 2009 Whatever dude. Anything you say. Blind assumptions? You mean like the blind assumptions you have made about my stupidity, naivete', the quality of my parents and schools teachings, and the things that I value about myself? You've got a long way to go, bucko. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #31 July 7, 2009 QuoteUnless of course they look like hippies, drug users, or "lazy," then it would be ok. ? I guess I'm a little slow, but I've got no idea what you're trying to say. Can you elaborate?-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
makeithappen40 0 #32 July 7, 2009 >I learned not to judge people based on appearance. Unless of course they look like hippies, drug users, or "lazy," then it would be ok. You know, like you said here: "The problem there is that you guys employ forgetful, lazy people. The correct solution is to fire them and replace them with people who aren't forgetful and lazy." Sounds a lot like your being judgmental up there. "But what are you talking about, makeithappen40, im not being judgmental there. These people really are, by their nature, forgetful and lazy. Of course, their "nature" has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that their work isn't the slightest bit interesting or that that they are working for someone who spends every hour of their day trying to find new ways of screwing their employees out of the wage and working conditions until there becomes a law that makes such a thing more difficult to do" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #34 July 7, 2009 Quote>I learned not to judge people based on appearance. Unless of course they look like hippies, drug users, or "lazy," then it would be ok. You know, like you said here: "The problem there is that you guys employ forgetful, lazy people. The correct solution is to fire them and replace them with people who aren't forgetful and lazy." Sounds a lot like your being judgmental up there. Dude where did I say _anything_ about their appearance? Judging people based on their work performance is exactly what a business ought to do. My comment was intended to convey that they ought to be judged on their work performance alone--not on their appearance or their recreational substance use.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
makeithappen40 0 #35 July 7, 2009 Law 39: STIR UP WATERS TO CATCH FISH Anger and emotion are strategically counterproductive. You must always stay calm and objective. But if you can make your enemies angry while staying calm yourself, you gain a decided advantage. Put your enemies off-balance: Find the chink in their vanity through which you can rattle them and hold the strings. These laws work only when the manipulated aren't aware of the techniques. Shux. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
makeithappen40 0 #36 July 7, 2009 >My comment was intended to convey that they ought to be judged on their work performance alone. In which case they appear lazy to you. And you judge them. Then, for you, it is ok. You fire them and wait for the next one to do the same thing. The manager never thinks that there is a reason within their managing techniques and business practices that makes the person lazy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bdazel 0 #37 July 7, 2009 So... are you declaring yourself an enemy? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bdazel 0 #38 July 7, 2009 Quote >My comment was intended to convey that they ought to be judged on their work performance alone. In which case they appear lazy to you. And you judge them. Then, for you, it is ok. You fire them and wait for the next one to do the same thing. The manager never thinks that there is a reason within their managing techniques and business practices that makes the person lazy. And there's the seventh. Awesome. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #39 July 7, 2009 Quote>My comment was intended to convey that they ought to be judged on their work performance alone. In which case they appear lazy to you. And you judge them. Then, for you, it is ok. You fire them and wait for the next one to do the same thing. The manager never thinks that there is a reason within their managing techniques and business practices that makes the person lazy. You cannot "Make" a person do anything. If you force them into it, you are doing it yourself. If they choose to not do the job - that is their choice.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
makeithappen40 0 #40 July 7, 2009 Yep. Your exactly right. Always. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #41 July 7, 2009 QuoteYep. Your exactly right. Always. And you are grasping at any kind of anecdote to help divert the attention from what you have said already.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
makeithappen40 0 #42 July 7, 2009 >If they choose to not do the job - that is their choice. Right. You then would think: Gee, why would they decide not to do the job? Is it because they are lazy, or is it because they have an inadequate incentive to do so? Most of the free marketeers here would say that one of the major rules of economics is that people respond to incentives. (After all, that is why they engage in the market- they have an incentive to do so because they can earn profit) This is lost when someone is employed by someone who doesn't provide an adequate incentive. Thus, they simply say that the employee is "lazy" as opposed to compensating them correctly. (Not just in the form of wages or benefits, either.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
makeithappen40 0 #43 July 7, 2009 Ok. Everyone read each of my comments before. Now i'm not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bdazel 0 #44 July 7, 2009 Quote Yep. Your exactly right. Always. And we're back to number one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
makeithappen40 0 #45 July 7, 2009 Quote Quote Yep. Your exactly right. Always. And we're back to number one. Ohh right. >Remember, second place just means your the first loser. Yes, I remember that statement. I was wondering how long it would take for people to start blaming liberals and socialists for the problems the U.S. has here. I was expecting it in droves. You came in second place. First loser. Tough. Better luck next time! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,440 #46 July 7, 2009 I'm in complete agreement, particularly the part about peacefully. The fact that most of us trust our process is awesome. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #47 July 7, 2009 Quote>My comment was intended to convey that they ought to be judged on their work performance alone. In which case they appear lazy to you. And you judge them. Then, for you, it is ok. You fire them and wait for the next one to do the same thing. The manager never thinks that there is a reason within their managing techniques and business practices that makes the person lazy. You're working very hard to disagree with me here. I've essentially agreed with you, and in an effort to argue with me you've made up some other position that is not mine, then claimed that I hold it. Whatever. Have fun arguing with yourself.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bdazel 0 #48 July 7, 2009 Ok. You called out the possibility of your own stupidity in post #30. Now I have to agree with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
makeithappen40 0 #49 July 7, 2009 Uh huh. Mockery is a bit different than admittance. You've used a lot of energy to try to label me as stupid, but the headway you have made is laughable, at best. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
makeithappen40 0 #50 July 7, 2009 >I've essentially agreed with you Huh? You must be thinking this is the thread about providing people with food before health care. That is where we were aligned pretty well. Which position is that "some other position" that you don't hold, to be specific? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
