warpedskydiver 0 #26 July 20, 2009 This is from the Sonoran News Allen v. Soetoro assured standing in FOIA claim By Linda Bentley | July 15, 2009 FOIA’s basic purpose – opening agency action to the light of public scrutiny TUCSON – On July 6, Kenneth Allen, a Tucson resident, filed a complaint in U.S. District Court for the District of Arizona against Barry Soetoro, aka Barrack H. Obama, aka Barry Obama; Attorney General Eric Holder; Secretary of State Hillary Clinton; Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Secretary Janet Napolitano; and Does 1-49. The action was filed pursuant to Allen’s Feb. 9, 2009 Freedom Of Information Act (FOIA) request seeking immediate processing and release of agency records with regard to Barry Soetoro, Stanley Ann Soetoro and Lolo Soetoro and all known and unknown aliases. Allen brought the complaint on his own behalf after defendants blatantly refused to produce the yet-to-be-released documents in a timely manner. According to the complaint, on Monday, Jan. 26, 2009, his first day in office, President Barack Obama signed Executive Order 13490-Ethics Commitments, which stated only the Attorney General (Eric Holder) and Counsel to the President (Gregory Craig) are able to review presidential records requests and determine whether or not they can be made public. On his Illinois State Bar application where it asked for other names used by the applicant, Obama stated, “none.” Allen states, “Because … Barack Obama denies he was ever called Barry Soetoro it shouldn’t be a problem with transparency when it comes to producing the requested records … And because Barry Soetoro is not a citizen, as defined by the law, he isn’t protected by the FOIA.” According to Allen, Indonesia has not allowed dual citizenship since 1945 and, therefore, Soetoro’s mother Stanley Ann Soetoro would have been required to relinquish her son’s American citizenship and any other citizenship he might have held, in order for him to become an Indonesian citizen, which school records confirm he became. So, Allen modified his request to ask for an original copy of the immigration records pertaining to Barry Soetoro, circa 1971, when he returned to Hawaii, along with documents indicating whether or not Soetoro is still an Indonesian citizen. If not, Allen asked for documentation as to when he became a naturalized citizen. Allen requested copies of Soetoro’s passports for the years 1979 through 1982, including his Indonesian passport for the years 1979 through 1982, a copy of his passport and documented history of travel to Pakistan and nationality contained therein for the years 1981 and 1982. He also requested a copy of Stanley Ann Soetoro’s (Dunham and Obama) passport and travel history for the years 1959 through 1987 along with the same for Lolo Soetoro, citing the requests were not subject to 6 CFR § 5.21(f), which requires permission from the individual, because both subjects are deceased. Citing the Privacy Act’s laudable goals of protecting sensitive information, Allen said it only protects U.S. citizens and permanent resident aliens and “does not apply not foreigners, unions, collective associations or corporations.” Allen asserts Barry Soetoro is neither a citizen of the United States nor an alien with permanent residence and said “… we know Barry Soetoro was an Indonesian citizen at the age of 7 and that he had ties in Hawaii,” noting Soetoro would have had to have gone through immigration and customs at some point between 1961 and 2009.” The information requested by Allen could prove Soetoro is in violation of a number of laws under the Immigration and Nationality Act, including falsely claiming citizenship. Allen said the information sought would undeniably shed light on the DHS and U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services conduct concerning its Indonesian and foreign repatriation policy. Considering the fact Napolitano believes veterans, Second Amendment and pro-life supporters should be considered terrorists, Allen said she shouldn’t have any problem with the release of information revealing the source of the facts underlying an aspect of the nation’s immigration policy as it pertains to Barry Soetoro, Stanley Ann Soetoro and Lolo Soetoro. He said it would further the FOIA’s basic purpose of opening agency action to the light of public scrutiny by informing the public against whom the government enforced its policy of repatriation and upon whom the DHS relied in evaluating and deciding to continue that policy, rather than denying Allen’s request for records concerning Barry Soetoro and his connection to Barack H. Obama. Allen believes any information that may exist with respect to Barry Soetoro should be released in the interest of national security and, because his complaint is over a FOIA request, there can be no question of standing. For requested relief, Allen is asking the court to order defendants to immediately process his FOIA requests, disclose the requested records in an expedited manner and find the defendants’ action in violation of the FOIA. To contact us: Sonoran News 6812 East Cave Creek Road Cave Creek, Arizona 85331 Phone: 480-488-2021 | Fax: 480-488-6216 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #27 July 20, 2009 The "smartest" thing to do would be for people that oppose him and want to be taken seriously would be for them to distance themselves as far as possible from the nut jobs. I realize people like Limbaugh don't make that easy. I suppose it's part of the price one has to pay by creating, feeding and supporting a person like that. Right now I see the Republican party in disarray, which is always the case when either party leaves the White House after two terms. They really need to get their act together and leave the nut job, dead-end, sore loser, foaming at the mouth part of their party behind. It's not doing them any good. It's not gaining them any credibility with the middle and they're never going to win anything with just the 30% hardline faithful.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #28 July 20, 2009 Quote We ask so much of many other people in order to prove their own birth records, but there are questions that need to be answered. I wonder whether YOU saw Bush's birth records? Because if you didn't, your questioning seems to be kinda... selective.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #29 July 20, 2009 They did not call people African on forms in 1961 It was either Negro or Black. I see you avoided the obvious. Nice dodge, actually it was a lousy one. I bet the lawyers filing these suits know more about these things than you do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #30 July 20, 2009 Quote Quote We ask so much of many other people in order to prove their own birth records, but there are questions that need to be answered. I wonder whether YOU saw Bush's birth records? Because if you didn't, your questioning seems to be kinda... selective. They were provided. As were John McCains Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #31 July 20, 2009 Quote We ask so much of many other people in order to prove their own birth records, but there are questions that need to be answered. Well, to be honest, GWB came from the American equivalent of royalty. It wasn't ever in question.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #32 July 20, 2009 I am a Libertarian. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #33 July 20, 2009 QuoteI am a Libertarian. I wasn't questioning that. Besides, who gives a rats ass about you? You're not lumping yourself in with the tin foil hat conspiracy theory nut jobs are you?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #34 July 20, 2009 QuoteThey did not call people African on forms in 1961 It was either Negro or Black. Obama's father WAS African. That was rare, especially back then. "Negro or Black" just meant African-American. Not an immigrant from Africa. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #35 July 20, 2009 Quote Well, to be honest, GWB came from the American equivalent of royalty. It wasn't ever in question. It should matter nothing in such a case. Someone who believes the birth certificate he was shown is fake, should be much more suspicious about the birth certificate he wasn't even shown. Unless, of course, he's driven by a political agenda.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #36 July 20, 2009 http://www.scribd.com/doc/17289375/-Kerchner-et-al-v-Obama-Congress-et-al-Advertorial-in-20090713-Issue-Wash-Times-Natl-Wkly-pg-9 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #37 July 20, 2009 Quote They were provided. As were John McCains As were Obama's.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #38 July 20, 2009 QuoteQuote Well, to be honest, GWB came from the American equivalent of royalty. It wasn't ever in question. It should matter nothing in such a case. Someone who believes the birth certificate he was shown is fake, should be much more suspicious about the birth certificate he wasn't even shown. Unless, of course, he's driven by a political agenda. Well, I think it's fairly obvious what the motivation of these people are; they're just sore losers.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #39 July 20, 2009 Quotehttp://www.scribd.com/doc/17289375/-Kerchner-et-al-v-Obama-Congress-et-al-Advertorial-in-20090713-Issue-Wash-Times-Natl-Wkly-pg-9 OH MY GOD! WHY did I not see that before? A paid advertisement taken out in a newspaper owned by the Moonies? Holy FUCK that changes EVERYTHING!quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #40 July 20, 2009 No, his birth certificate has not been produced, only a certificate of live birth, which is a document that implies or states there is another document, a Birth Certificate. Barry's Birth Certificate has not been produced. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #41 July 20, 2009 Quote They did not call people African on forms in 1961 It was either Negro or Black. You're making quite bold claims here. Could you please provide some information about your experience? How many birth certificates issued in 1961 have you personally examined, and how many of those were issued in Hawaii?* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #42 July 20, 2009 No but is you look at that document and look at Article II, you will see something. I bet you will avoid that phrase. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #43 July 20, 2009 QuoteNo but is you look at that document and look at Article II, you will see something. I bet you will avoid that phrase. So, uh, how's the hack lawyer's suit coming along anyway?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #44 July 20, 2009 That can actually be found, there are quite few dead people that were born in 1961 in Hawaii. Prove me wrong... Also; No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #45 July 20, 2009 >It is amazing how quickly others dismiss the case of Obama not being a >natural born citizen . . . Yep. About as quickly as you dismiss the evidence that the Bush administration blew up the Twin Towers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #46 July 20, 2009 Quote No, his birth certificate has not been produced, only a certificate of live birth, which is a document that implies or states there is another document, a Birth Certificate. Please be more specific - it has not been produced TO YOU. Neither was Bush's birth certificate, so unless you're driven by a political agenda, you should question both. Certificate of live birth (certified one; together with some ID) is all you need to get a U.S. passport, and no other abstract "birth certificate" was needed to get a passport for my son. I wonder where this your requirement came from?* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #47 July 20, 2009 >No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, >at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the >office of President . . . Absolutely. And he provided a valid birth certificate showing he was born in the US (which McCain, BTW, did not do.) Case closed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #48 July 20, 2009 http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #49 July 20, 2009 See *NATURAL BORN CITIZEN Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #50 July 20, 2009 Show me Obama's valid Birth Certificate. Not a Certificate of Live Birth. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
