billvon 2,991 #76 July 20, 2009 >with respect to all the constitutional requirements for eligibility. >so maybe "eligible" would be a better word than "qualified" which in my mind >implies a whole host of other things that are outside the scope of this thread. Fair enough; "eligible" is probably a better word. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #77 July 20, 2009 You are saying that this post of Bill's Quote>>Neither was McCain... >WRONG John Sidney McCain III Born August 29, 1936 (1936-08-29) Coco Solo Naval Air Station, Panama Canal Zone, Panama US Foreign Affairs Manual: "it has never been determined definitively by a court whether a person who acquired U.S. citizenship by birth abroad to U.S. citizens is a natural born citizen." Was somehow humorous, or intentionally exaggerated for purpose of providing an example? I guess I'm just not seeing it. Please, can you explain to me, in words of fewer than 3 syllables, where the humor, exaggeration or "leveling" is in that post? In fact, you'd better start with explaining the meaning of "leveling" to me in this context, because, as you've noted, it has 3 syllables, and is thus quite beyond my limited comprehension. Thanks for educating me!-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BikerBabe 0 #78 July 20, 2009 lol, sorry, forgot which forum i was currently surfing. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=level Definition 1. come on. are you really trying to tell me that you HONESTLY think that Bill truly believes that John McCain isn't a US citizen? If you answer yes to that, then you totally missed the point of his posts. If you answered "no" then stop and think why he would have posted that. Could it possibly be to show how silly the "obama citizenship" conspiracy theorists are being?Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbrown 26 #79 July 20, 2009 I call Wingnut ! Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #80 July 20, 2009 Yep except one thing, only his mother was a citizen, he was also known by another name, lived oustside the USA, was a citizen of another country which did not allow dual citizenship, and lied under oath about his aliases on his Illinois BAR exam. There are two different hospitals claiming he was born there, as does Obama himself. Ghana is in fact claiming he was born on African Soil. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #81 July 20, 2009 Quote There are questions I am asking and the answers are not being given This is because you already discredited yourself. People have better things to do than answering conspiracy theories, and I support them.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #82 July 20, 2009 If Obama were not a Democrat and Black, you would be tearing him to pieces just like the rest of your ilk would. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #83 July 20, 2009 I actually expected better of you. I ask questions, people are simply making excuses. Why is that? Why is the bar set lower for the Democrats and for Blacks? If he was anyone but a Democrat he would be fed to the jackals. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #84 July 20, 2009 This is such a new and confusing concept for me. You are saying that people might say things that they do not mean? Why would they do that? Do you have a name for this practice? Where could I learn more about it? Can you teach me to stop and think, and find the deeper meaning hidden in these posts, as you have?-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #85 July 20, 2009 Quote If Obama were not a Democrat and Black, you would be tearing him to pieces just like the rest of your ilk would. LOL. I'm generally anti-Obama, and do not support Democrats (nor I support Republicans either, both parties are full of crap). And I don't give shit whether he's black or not. I do not have any guilt, my ancestors didn't have slaves. This is funny, however, that you didn't answered by question from above. Try another one.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #86 July 20, 2009 QuoteGhana is in fact claiming he was born on African Soil. Really, now? Do you mean: [] The government of the sovereign nation of Ghana? [] A "news outlet" in Ghana, having fun with the conspiracy theory? [] Other (specify)? Specifics and verifiable citation, please. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #87 July 20, 2009 Quote Do you have a name for this practice? See; http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sarcasm Quote Where could I learn more about it? I don't believe you need to learn any more about it than you already seem to know! quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #88 July 20, 2009 >You are saying that people might say things that they do not mean? >Why would they do that? Roxanne: Hello - I'm locked out of my house. CD: I can get you in. I will get my tools. Roxanne: Uh, I don't have any clothes on. CD:Do you want a coat or something? Roxanne: No, I would prefer to stand naked in this bush in the freezing cold. CD: I'll get the tools. . . . . Roxanne: Nobody had a coat? CD: You said you didn't want one. Roxanne: Why would I not want a coat? CD: You said so! Roxanne: I was being ironic. CD: Oh, irony. We do not get that here. People ski topless here while smoking dope, so irony is not a high priority. We have not had irony here since 1980 when I was the only practitioner of it, and I stopped as I was tired of being stared at. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #89 July 20, 2009 QuoteQuote Do you have a name for this practice? See; http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sarcasm I remind you that as "sarcasm" has more than two syllables (perhaps depending on regional inflection, but at least in my pronunciation), I am not able to comprehend it.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #90 July 20, 2009 > he was also known by another name, lived oustside the USA, was a citizen > of another country which did not allow dual citizenship, and lied under oath > about his aliases on his Illinois BAR exam. Yep. None of which matters. He was born in Hawaii, a US state. John McCain was born in Panama, a foreign country. The Founding Fathers clearly did not want him to become president, or they would have said "natural born citizen or someone born on a military base." From Liberty Hill, a respected source of 100% accurate conservative information: ====================== John McCain Born in Panama, can he even be President? The Constitution clearly states only those born in the United States may be President by Robert Werden Thursday, January 31, 2008 This is not open to interpretation or overturned by the 14th Amendment as it is very clear in the Constitution that the founders were being very specific on who could be the President. The 14th Amendment was not written to change the rules of who could be the President, it was to determine citizenship. Citizenship does not allow just anyone to be the President. Only those born in the United States have that privilege. Although John McCain was born in Panama many would argue that he was born in a US territory and is considered a US citizen. Being a citizen is not the litmus test the founders directed when they wrote the requirements to become the President. A territory is not the United States. The United States is one of the 50 states. If Panama was a state things would be different. However Panama is a sovereign Country. If this were the case, then we would have to allow all children born on US territories to be naturalized citizens. For example, if an Iraqi woman has an American service mans baby in a hospital in Iraq that happens to be a US Military base, then the baby would be born in US territory. This is not what the founders would have contemplated as a US naturalized citizen. While this is probably an issue the courts would most likely rule that McCain is fully eligible to be the President, I my self would not vote for a person who is questionably walking a fine line on the founding fathers rule of Presidential eligibility. ======================== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #91 July 20, 2009 No, ma'am, we at the FBI do not have a sense of humor that we are aware of.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #92 July 20, 2009 Not to forget Barry Goldwater. He was born in a U.S. territory. Nevermind that it later became the state of Arizona. I actually once met a man who'd lived in 4 different countries without moving. Shit like that happened to a lot of people in Europe in the first half of the last century.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likearock 2 #93 July 20, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Do you have a name for this practice? See; http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sarcasm I remind you that as "sarcasm" has more than two syllables (perhaps depending on regional inflection, but at least in my pronunciation), I am not able to comprehend it. The fact that you have just provided a perfect example of it, proves that you can comprehend it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #94 July 20, 2009 QuoteAnd I don't give shit whether he's black or not. I do not have any guilt, my ancestors didn't have slaves. why would you have guilt for something someone else did? that's insane perhaps ones life is so incredibly perfect that they would need to find something to be guilty about? it's very odd very odd indeed ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #95 July 20, 2009 I think he meant Hargrove Ghana, of Ardmore, Tennessee. Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #96 July 20, 2009 Quote why would you have guilt for something someone else did? that's insane I wouldn't. That's Warped who assumed I would.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BikerBabe 0 #97 July 20, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuote Do you have a name for this practice? See; http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sarcasm I remind you that as "sarcasm" has more than two syllables (perhaps depending on regional inflection, but at least in my pronunciation), I am not able to comprehend it. Tom's just hurt because it happened to be his post i replied to (i kind of hate this forum software, TBH) even though there were several people who obviously took bill's post seriously. And none of them have answered my question...do you HONESTLY think Bill believes that McCain wasn't eligible to be president? Honestly? Or like i said, those of us who read a little bit more into the meaning of Bill's post could easily see that he was providing an exaggerated counter-example to make the conspiracy nuts in this thread look silly. Bill, i think you need to reread Wendy's "rock" thread, actually. And no more level 2 thinking out of you! Bad boy! *slaps hand*Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #98 July 20, 2009 QuoteTom's just hurt because it happened to be his post i replied to (i kind of hate this forum software, TBH) even though there were several people who obviously took bill's post seriously. I'll admit that my impression was that you were being incredibly arrogant and talking down to me. The funny part to me was that you missed my sarcasm, and thereby assumed I had taken Bill's post seriously (or at least more seriously than i had), and then you proceeded to lecture me on my inability to perceive humor/sarcasm--as a direct result of your inability to perceive mine.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BikerBabe 0 #99 July 21, 2009 The trouble is, i'm pretty sure there are people on this forum and in this thread who don't see the real implication behind bill's posts...and they would answer my question with an emphatic "yes". I do it too...i forget and start using level 2 or 3 thinking and it just doesn't work. It might in a vocal debate where body language and expressions are visible, but on a forum, it's tough sometimes to get subtle meanings across.Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #100 July 21, 2009 QuoteGhana is in fact claiming he was born on African Soil. You are so far gone it's funny. Ghana is a small West African state roughly two and a half thousand miles and seven countries away from Kenya. It has undergone so many military coups and tinpot dictatorships since the '60s that I'd be surprised if they even knew what was happening in their own capital back then, let alone in either a) a small hospital in Hawaii or b) a small village in Kenya. What on earth makes you think that a proclamation from Ghana would carry any persuasive power for people who know more about the world than 'Africa is where the black people come from'?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
