livendive 8 #126 July 22, 2009 Quote Quote That article is worthless and most likely partisan. I actually read all that guys editorials, mostly because he seems to actually engage in critical thought, which is conspicuous by it's absence in most of the partisan hacks CNN finds to write that kind of stuff. For what it's worth, I also like Ruben Navarette, even though I disagree with both of those guys quite frequently. There really are people thinking real, original thoughts out there--it's just hard to find them. I find Roland Martin to frequently be a breath of fresh air, even though I also frequently disagree with him. But Ruben Naverette is boring to me, perhaps because I have the capacity to think that some things actually have absolutely nothing to do with Mexican immigration. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #127 July 22, 2009 Fact: Obama is eighth cousin to Cheney, according to research by the vice-president's wife Lynne. The two men share a common ancestor in a 17th-century French immigrant. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #128 July 22, 2009 Quote Well then show it to us. Show all of us Obama's Birth Certificate. NOT his CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH. I told you that in California the "certificate of live birth" is the only thing the people who born here got. And this is perfectly enough to get a passport. What kind of birth certificate do you possess?* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #129 July 22, 2009 >see anything different between yours and his? Absolutely! Mine is from the State of New York; his is from Hawaii. It looks completely different. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #130 July 22, 2009 QuoteQuote Well then show it to us. Show all of us Obama's Birth Certificate. NOT his CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH. I told you that in California the "certificate of live birth" is the only thing the people who born here got. And this is perfectly enough to get a passport. What kind of birth certificate do you possess? Just to do a bit of devil's advocation: I just checked and my "Certificate of Live Birth" which is from California, contains all kinds of details not recorded in Obama's Hawaii "Certificate of Live Birth."-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #131 July 22, 2009 Quote Just to do a bit of devil's advocation: I just checked and my "Certificate of Live Birth" which is from California, contains all kinds of details not recorded in Obama's Hawaii "Certificate of Live Birth." Hmmm … I wonder what the difference could possibly be. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryzflies 0 #132 July 22, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuote Well then show it to us. Show all of us Obama's Birth Certificate. NOT his CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH. I told you that in California the "certificate of live birth" is the only thing the people who born here got. And this is perfectly enough to get a passport. What kind of birth certificate do you possess? Just to do a bit of devil's advocation: I just checked and my "Certificate of Live Birth" which is from California, contains all kinds of details not recorded in Obama's Hawaii "Certificate of Live Birth." So?If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #133 July 22, 2009 Quote I just checked and my "Certificate of Live Birth" which is from California, contains all kinds of details not recorded in Obama's Hawaii "Certificate of Live Birth." And mine from a third State has about the same information as the "Certificate of Live Birth" from Hawaii, but it's labelled "Record of Live Birth." I think the only thing we may have shown is that we in the US live in a federalism. /Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #134 July 22, 2009 QuoteSo? If I understood it correctly, the OP's contention was that in Hawaii there existed two different birth records, a "Certificate of Live Birth" and a "Birth Certificate". He argued that the former was available without proper proofs, and contained only minimal information, and that the latter was generated at the hospital and contained more detailed information. Several people had posted with the idea that their only birth record was a "Certificate of Live Birth". That's true for me, too. But when I checked mine, it looked a lot more like the thing he was calling a "Birth Certificate" than the "Certificate of Live Birth" that's been shown--it included a bunch of details. The fact that some of us possess a piece of paper with one title or the other at the top is not conclusive evidence, either way, about the underlying contention. Yet we're proposing it as if it is.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #135 July 22, 2009 QuoteNo, I don't. Put it on display some where ... problem solved, move on. Are you that naive? Could you determine whether a piece of paper in a glass box is an real birth record (whatever it's called) or a forgery just by looking at it? Could any of the nutjobs who believe this conspiracy actually do that? So what are they going to say; "Oh, well now I've seen this piece of paper on display so obviously I now think Obama is telling the truth!"? Of course not. Once a conspiracy theory is released there is no putting it back.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #136 July 22, 2009 QuoteQuoteSo? If I understood it correctly, the OP's contention was that in Hawaii there existed two different birth records, a "Certificate of Live Birth" and a "Birth Certificate". He argued that the former was available without proper proofs, and contained only minimal information, and that the latter was generated at the hospital and contained more detailed information. Several people had posted with the idea that their only birth record was a "Certificate of Live Birth". That's true for me, too. But when I checked mine, it looked a lot more like the thing he was calling a "Birth Certificate" than the "Certificate of Live Birth" that's been shown--it included a bunch of details. The fact that some of us possess a piece of paper with one title or the other at the top is not conclusive evidence, either way, about the underlying contention. Yet we're proposing it as if it is. Tom, you and I as well as Marg and Karen all can agree there is a suspicious lack of details in the document Obama has provided. There are also statement that had been made as to the existance of an actual Birth Certificate and that the Certificate of Live Birth only relates to that document. If we are to expect due diligence would we not expect that the actual Birth Certificate be provided and thet it be verified? If it were any other candidate that could not use the racism card there would be a much larger expectation of proof given the weight of this matter. Why are we giving a free pass to someone who has a questionable background when it comes to being Naturalized Citizen. We already know that Obama lived under a different surname and that has been omitted on the Illiinois Bar exam. That alone should have raised questions and possible proceedings into the lack of forthcoming and truthfulness. I passed my FBI background check and had to include anything I had been arrested for as a juvenile and that offense had been expunged. So why the lax treatment? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VTmotoMike08 0 #137 July 23, 2009 So I didn't read this whole thread and I have no intention to, but I've got a question: Say the wackos are right and he truly was not born in the USA. Then what? Is he kicked out of office immediatly and Biden takes over? What would the procedure be for doing this? I, of course, believe that he was born in Hawaii, but lets assume for the sake of discussion that he pulled off what would probably be the biggest con of all time- then what happens? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #138 July 23, 2009 Quote So why the lax treatment? What makes you convinced it has been lax, that Clinton, McCain, Rove, and the prior courts involved didn't fully investigate? Your entire hypothesis blows up with this question - the other candidates would not have been afraid to question the black candidate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #139 July 23, 2009 QuoteQuote No, I don't. Put it on display some where ... problem solved, move on. Do you expect this of every President? No but this administration was supposed to be more transparent ..."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
futuredivot 0 #140 July 23, 2009 Quote No but this administration was supposed to be more transparent ... Well, according to the polls, more people ARE seeing through itYou are only as strong as the prey you devour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
d_squared431 0 #141 July 23, 2009 Quote Quote Read for a change I read plenty. I can tell the difference between rational thought and dead-end sore losers grasping at straws. Seriously, for Obama not to have been a citizen, how many people would have to be involved in that little scheme? Did they travel back in time and plant documents in Hawaii? Have they infiltrated BOTH parties that sit on the election committees that verify these things? A person has to be almost insane to think this is even vaguely possible. It is funny how my grandfather has a birth certificate says he was born in kawaii but he was actually born on the boat when they migrated to the united states...TPM Sister#130ONTIG#1 I love vodka.I love vodka cause it rhymes with Tuaca~LisaH You having a clean thought is like billyvance having a clean post.iluvtofly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryzflies 0 #142 July 23, 2009 QuoteQuoteSo? If I understood it correctly, the OP's contention was that in Hawaii there existed two different birth records, a "Certificate of Live Birth" and a "Birth Certificate". He argued that the former was available without proper proofs, and contained only minimal information, and that the latter was generated at the hospital and contained more detailed information. Several people had posted with the idea that their only birth record was a "Certificate of Live Birth". That's true for me, too. But when I checked mine, it looked a lot more like the thing he was calling a "Birth Certificate" than the "Certificate of Live Birth" that's been shown--it included a bunch of details. The fact that some of us possess a piece of paper with one title or the other at the top is not conclusive evidence, either way, about the underlying contention. Yet we're proposing it as if it is. All I'm proposing is that different states do things different ways, and that the OP's contention is flawed on a multitude of levels.If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VTmotoMike08 0 #143 July 23, 2009 Quote So I didn't read this whole thread and I have no intention to, but I've got a question: Say the wackos are right and he truly was not born in the USA. Then what? Is he kicked out of office immediatly and Biden takes over? What would the procedure be for doing this? I, of course, believe that he was born in Hawaii, but lets assume for the sake of discussion that he pulled off what would probably be the biggest con of all time- then what happens? Anybody? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #144 July 23, 2009 Yes, if you believe there may be a chance that Obama is not a natural born citizen and you would like this matter investigated and cleared up with PROOF of documentation (DETAILS), You are then considered a whackjob/conspiracy theorist by most of the left wingers and assholes on this forum.However, if you think Bush and Cheney were involved in a conspiracy, that there are criminal charges to be pursued for things that the President and Congress acted upon within their powers then you are sane and impartial.Of course if you think the bailouts and stimulus are great ideas, then you are the norm of society Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #145 July 23, 2009 Quote Quote So I didn't read this whole thread and I have no intention to, but I've got a question: Say the wackos are right and he truly was not born in the USA. Then what? Is he kicked out of office immediatly and Biden takes over? What would the procedure be for doing this? I, of course, believe that he was born in Hawaii, but lets assume for the sake of discussion that he pulled off what would probably be the biggest con of all time- then what happens? Anybody? Biden takes over. Since he's now the president, he gets to pick a new VP. He picks Obama, who continues to be the lead guy, and business continues as usual.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #146 July 23, 2009 Quote Biden takes over. Since he's now the president, he gets to pick a new VP. He picks Obama, who continues to be the lead guy, and business continues as usual. I think you give Biden more credit than he deserves. He'll say 'fuck you very much' (in the spirit of the last VP) and change the locks at the White House. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rivetgeek 0 #147 July 23, 2009 Sigh. It seems these whackjob conspiracy theorists are on every fucking board. Please pay attention. Really. Read the words. He was born in Hawaii, this has been proven repeatedly. but even if he hadnt been: IT DOESNT FUCKING MATTER WHERE HE WAS BORN. His mother was a citizen, that makes him a natural born citizen. McCain actually WAS born on foreign soil and nobody questioned his right to hold office. Not to mention if you people really think the republicans wouldnt have brewed a shitstorm if there was ANY validity to this, you are sadly mistaken. Cant you nutters go back to claiming the world is 8000 years old and dinosaur bones are gods way of testing us? At least that shit was amusing.~Bones Knit, blood clots, glory is forever, and chicks dig scars.~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #148 July 23, 2009 Actually if you would quit acting as if you think you know all you would not make the assertion that having one parent who is a citizen would make you a natural born citizen according to the rules. If you had actually read the links to the Regulations you would not be so arrogant. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #149 July 23, 2009 QuoteSigh. It seems these whackjob conspiracy theorists are on every fucking board. Please pay attention. Really. Read the words. He was born in Hawaii, this has been proven repeatedly. but even if he hadnt been: IT DOESNT FUCKING MATTER WHERE HE WAS BORN. QuoteWRONG His mother was a citizen, that makes him a natural born citizen. Quote WRONG McCain actually WAS born on foreign soil and nobody questioned his right to hold office.QuoteWRONG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rivetgeek 0 #150 July 23, 2009 Um right. I was born in Belgium to an American woman and Belgian Father. I am a natural born citizen and can hold any office. John McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone Care to keep shoving your tin-foil covered foot into your mouth? *edit* and before you spout of more ignorance, a military installation is NOT necessarily considered US soil. For example, the one McCain was born on.~Bones Knit, blood clots, glory is forever, and chicks dig scars.~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 Next Page 6 of 19 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
rivetgeek 0 #150 July 23, 2009 Um right. I was born in Belgium to an American woman and Belgian Father. I am a natural born citizen and can hold any office. John McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone Care to keep shoving your tin-foil covered foot into your mouth? *edit* and before you spout of more ignorance, a military installation is NOT necessarily considered US soil. For example, the one McCain was born on.~Bones Knit, blood clots, glory is forever, and chicks dig scars.~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
