warpedskydiver 0 #176 July 23, 2009 Sadly I did not see if any of you tried to blame Bush...Too bad Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rivetgeek 0 #177 July 23, 2009 Quote That there was a lack of detail in the document Obama provided? Hey I can argue all day, from either side of the issue. There are quite a few of you that instantly stooped to attacks or outright anger when you don't like what was said or even argued. Fair minded my ass... Better get a rear view mirror with all the backpedaling you're doing.~Bones Knit, blood clots, glory is forever, and chicks dig scars.~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #178 July 23, 2009 As for you calling me stupid, you must be 18 years old, or at least of that mindset. Nice to see that Bill did not consider it a PA. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #179 July 23, 2009 Quotenow you are left with nothing but ad hominem attacks. Interestingly, although your argument is definitely stronger, you are the one who's feeling a need to resort to ad hominem attacks. These are personal attacks: Quote...how someone so dumb can even think of getting into a sport like skydiving. I feel sorry for the people that will inevitably have to witness your bounce. QuoteApparently you cant read Please review the Forum Rules, specifically: 1. No personal attacks. I've banned you from this forum for 14 days.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #180 July 23, 2009 Quote Nice to see that Bill did not consider it a PA. You're assuming that he even saw it. From personal experience, I can say that assuming a moderator has seen every post is always going to be a bad assumption. We all have lives, other things to look at, and arguments we're just tired of reading. A failure to catch every PA buried on the 7th page of a thread is not an indication that the moderation is biased--just that it's being done by humans.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #181 July 23, 2009 Fair enough, I did not mean that you had to do it. Heck, you ban me and I expect it when I am wrong. I just wanted to see Bill do it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #182 July 23, 2009 Quote That there was a lack of detail in the document Obama provided? There was enough detail for the state department to recognize him as a natural born citizen. What are you looking for, exactly, the YouTube video of his birth? Quote Hey I can argue all day, from either side of the issue. The ability to argue does not imply the ability to argue competently. Quote Fair minded my ass... Being fair minded does not mean one should buy into ever conspiracy theory one hears about. The conspiracy theory about Obama's citizenship status has been debunked in many ways (e.g. birth certificate has been provided, meets citizenship requirements as defined by US Code Title 8, section 1401, etc.). Reasonable, fair minded people have dismissed the claims of the conspiracy nuts theorists because the available evidence refutes them.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funjumper101 15 #183 July 24, 2009 "Never argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." This thread could have died a natural death about 8 posts in. Discussions with right wingnuts are a waste of time and energy. Facts are meaningless details in the grand scheme of the willfully ill informed righty parrots. All that matters is what the great ones say, for repetion by mindless nitwits. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #184 July 24, 2009 Quote"Never argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." This thread could have died a natural death about 8 posts in. Discussions with right wingnuts are a waste of time and energy. Facts are meaningless details in the grand scheme of the willfully ill informed righty parrots. All that matters is what the great ones say, for repetion by mindless nitwits. Reverse the left/right notations and we have roughly 98% of your posts in SC - did you have a point, or just your usual partisan attack (which accounts for 99% of your posts in SC)?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #185 July 24, 2009 QuoteQuote"Never argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." This thread could have died a natural death about 8 posts in. Discussions with right wingnuts are a waste of time and energy. Facts are meaningless details in the grand scheme of the willfully ill informed righty parrots. All that matters is what the great ones say, for repetion by mindless nitwits. Reverse the left/right notations and we have roughly 98% of your posts in SC - did you have a point, or just your usual partisan attack (which accounts for 99% of your posts in SC)? Irony score 9.6/10... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funjumper101 15 #186 July 24, 2009 QuoteQuote"Never argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." This thread could have died a natural death about 8 posts in. Discussions with right wingnuts are a waste of time and energy. Facts are meaningless details in the grand scheme of the willfully ill informed righty parrots. All that matters is what the great ones say, for repetion by mindless nitwits. Reverse the left/right notations and we have roughly 98% of your posts in SC - did you have a point, or just your usual partisan attack (which accounts for 99% of your posts in SC)? Irony score 9.7/10 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likearock 2 #187 July 24, 2009 Quote "* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time) " WTF, you mean even if Obama doesn't have a valid birth certificate he still qualifies as a natural born citizen? Why do we let these idiots waste our time? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #188 July 24, 2009 Quote"Never argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." This thread could have died a natural death about 8 posts in. Discussions with right wingnuts are a waste of time and energy. Facts are meaningless details in the grand scheme of the willfully ill informed righty parrots. All that matters is what the great ones say, for repetion by mindless nitwits. though it's painfully obvious where you lie (from your obvious generalization), arguing with anyone who considers themselves part of either democrat or republican parties is a waste of time. most people, once they've identified themselves entirely with a party have rendered themselves unable to hold a logical discussion over politics.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #189 July 24, 2009 Quote Quote "* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time) " WTF, you mean even if Obama doesn't have a valid birth certificate he still qualifies as a natural born citizen? Why do we let these idiots waste our time? Actually I will seek clarification in that issue. It would seem that give what people want to read into that parenthetical statement that anyone with just one parent being a citizen is still a natural born citizen even if born abroad. I think the verbiage was actually quite clear and had no connotation to mean that military and Diplomatic service were not requirements. Think about that before anyone spouts off and says I am all wrong. That would mean anyone borne outside he USA with just one parent being a citizen, having lived just five years in the USA would then be a naturalized citizen. That would qualify so many people as a natural citizen that this entire process of determining Naturalized Citizenship would all be a waste and that no section would need to be written to clarify it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funjumper101 15 #190 July 24, 2009 Quote Quote Quote "* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time) " WTF, you mean even if Obama doesn't have a valid birth certificate he still qualifies as a natural born citizen? Why do we let these idiots waste our time? Actually I will seek clarification in that issue. It would seem that give what people want to read into that parenthetical statement that anyone with just one parent being a citizen is still a natural born citizen even if born abroad. I think the verbiage was actually quite clear and had no connotation to mean that military and Diplomatic service were not requirements. Think about that before anyone spouts off and says I am all wrong. That would mean anyone borne outside he USA with just one parent being a citizen, having lived just five years in the USA would then be a naturalized citizen. That would qualify so many people as a natural citizen that this entire process of determining Naturalized Citizenship would all be a waste and that no section would need to be written to clarify it. Don't feed the mindless troll. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #191 July 24, 2009 Quote Actually I will seek clarification in that issue. Ask Burkina Faso, maybe they'll knowDo you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #192 July 24, 2009 Quote .... Actually I will seek clarification in that issue. It would seem that give what people want to read into that parenthetical statement that anyone with just one parent being a citizen is still a natural born citizen even if born abroad. I think the verbiage was actually quite clear and had no connotation to mean that military and Diplomatic service were not requirements. Think about that before anyone spouts off and says I am all wrong. That would mean anyone borne outside he USA with just one parent being a citizen, having lived just five years in the USA would then be a naturalized citizen. That would qualify so many people as a natural citizen that this entire process of determining Naturalized Citizenship would all be a waste and that no section would need to be written to clarify it. Actually, I think you've got too much free time - how about a nice hobby, such as f. e. skydiving? You yanks allowed actors, farmers, drinkers, aliens .... to become presidents or governors or .... why now all this blown up sh*t about a president which you dislike? It's really surprising me that so many posts were made for such a BS. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #193 July 24, 2009 QuoteYou yanks allowed actors, farmers, drinkers, aliens .... to become presidents or governors or .... Well, since we're poking noses into other countries (and isn't that what you're always griping at JR about, btw?)... how'd that little Austrian dude work out for y'all? The point of the matter is that the US Constitution states who can or cannot become President, and at one point, there was some doubt - that now appears to be cleared up.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #194 July 24, 2009 QuoteYou yanks allowed actors, farmers, drinkers, aliens Farmers? Why is that a big deal?www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #195 July 24, 2009 Quote Quote You yanks allowed actors, farmers, drinkers, aliens Farmers? Why is that a big deal? Farmers, as all right thinking Europeans know, are lesser humans, who rightfully ought to be ruled by their more intelligent urban brethren. A good farmer knows their place and stays on the farm. -- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #196 July 24, 2009 Quote I think the verbiage was actually quite clear and had no connotation to mean that military and Diplomatic service were not requirements. The text says it straight and clear that military and Diplomatic service are not requirements. Instead the time a person spent doing military/diplomatic duties is considered time spent in the USA. You can't be serious with such a statement. Are you just trolling? Quote That would mean anyone borne outside he USA with just one parent being a citizen, having lived just five years in the USA would then be a naturalized citizen. And they are! Just curious, are you suggesting we should deny them citizenship at all, or give them some second-class citizenship to be ineligible for President office?* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #197 July 24, 2009 QuoteIt would seem that give what people want to read into that parenthetical statement that anyone with just one parent being a citizen is still a natural born citizen even if born abroad. The only "parenthetical statement" in the actual US Code section being discussed is "Eastern Standard Time" in paragraph h. See post #173 in this thread for the actual, current text of US Code: Title 8> Chapter 12> Subchapter III> Part I> §1401. Perhaps the paraphrased version that you posted was deliberately intended to be misleading in order to further the conspiracy theory? QuoteI think the verbiage was actually quite clear and had no connotation to mean that military and Diplomatic service were not requirements. The verbiage is quite clear, but it is you who continues to misinterpret it. QuoteThat would mean anyone borne outside he USA with just one parent being a citizen, having lived just five years in the USA would then be a naturalized citizen. That would be the correct and proper interpretation of paragraph g, provided two of those years of residency occurred after the citizen parent had attained the age of fourteen years.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #198 July 25, 2009 Quote Quote Quote "* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time) " WTF, you mean even if Obama doesn't have a valid birth certificate he still qualifies as a natural born citizen? Why do we let these idiots waste our time? Actually I will seek clarification in that issue. How's the clarification coming along? While you're clarifying, maybe you could clarify who was on the team at Nationals with Rainbo and Gomez (you know, the team you claim didn't exist)... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 471 #199 July 25, 2009 Quote Quote Quote "* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time) " WTF, you mean even if Obama doesn't have a valid birth certificate he still qualifies as a natural born citizen? Why do we let these idiots waste our time? Actually I will seek clarification in that issue. It would seem that give what people want to read into that parenthetical statement that anyone with just one parent being a citizen is still a natural born citizen even if born abroad. I think the verbiage was actually quite clear and had no connotation to mean that military and Diplomatic service were not requirements. Think about that before anyone spouts off and says I am all wrong. That would mean anyone borne outside he USA with just one parent being a citizen, having lived just five years in the USA would then be a naturalized citizen. That would qualify so many people as a natural citizen that this entire process of determining Naturalized Citizenship would all be a waste and that no section would need to be written to clarify it. I think that you will find that the vast majority of countries allow you to "inherit" citizenship from your parents country of birth. The UK even allowed citizenship to pass from your maternal grandparents at one stage in the past. It is logical if you think about it - say you are out of the US for 2 years and have a child - would you really want your child denied citizenship? Citizenship law can be really funny, in some countries dual citizenship is illegal and yet from personal experience of this it can be impossible to "not" break those laws. For example Zimbabwe "fixed" this problem by changing the law to state that only black births qualified for citizenship as most white people are of british descent and there is no mechanism for renouncing British citizenship.Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #200 July 25, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote "* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time) " WTF, you mean even if Obama doesn't have a valid birth certificate he still qualifies as a natural born citizen? Why do we let these idiots waste our time? Actually I will seek clarification in that issue. How's the clarification coming along? While you're clarifying, maybe you could clarify who was on the team at Nationals with Rainbo and Gomez (you know, the team you claim didn't exist) You feeling the need to be banned? How is your statement related to the topic? Are you outraged and hurt that anyone would question the Obama Messiah? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
