Obama Comes Out Swinging at Cynical GOP on Health Care, Addresses Race Issues in Prof. Gates Arrest
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Channman 2
QuoteQuoteIt appears (and I am sure there is more yet to come out) the guy was an idiot and now he is throwing the race card to divert the shame from himself. Typical tactic used by those who think like Obama. (when it comes to race)
I think this is probably one of those cases where both guys fucked up, and neither is willing to admit it.
Professor Gates probably was confrontational with the police officer, but his extremely eminent place in Black Academia (and Black America) means that no one is willing to admit that.
The cop definitely went overboard. Gates is practically an invalid. Handcuffing him was totally unnecessary, even if you wanted to take him in. And frankly, taking him in after you've established that it's his residence is just dumb.
If both men could have just looked each other in the eye at the time and said "shit, man, I fucked up, sorry about that..." They both would have gone their ways and no one would be worried about it.
As it is, we've got a giant, overblown political mountain being made out of a particularly silly molehill.
I disagree, Gates I believe was the one being a ASS, and confrontational. Responding to a possible break in the officer did the right thing by asking the gentlemen out onto the porch so that he could determine who he was. Mr. Gates flapped his gums to the point it got him placed in handcuff.
Mr. Gates was already placing blame on the white man no sooner than the officer showed up trying to protect his property. The only one to blame is MR. GATES, and he should apologize to the officer and the community for being out of line.
mnealtx 0
QuoteAnd car makers will go under when we have to put seatbelts in cars.
Really, REALLY crappy analogy. It doesn't take billions in R&D to design a seatbelt for each car, like it does to develop a SINGLE drug.
Mike
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QuoteWhat's the purpose of education? To educate.
What's the purpose of health care? To heal.
What's the purpose of business? To generate profit.
You are only as strong as the prey you devour
rushmc 23
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Your analogy does not compute but anyway..........
I probably should have put ain there to modify the automotive reference. The sarcasm didn't transfer well. Sorry.
in there to modify the automotive reference. The sarcasm didn't transfer well. Sorry.Oh well, and I was doing a "Lost In Space" reply
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
rushmc 23
Tingly leg Obama mania fading
YES!!!!
Dems are starting to take cover
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/house-healthcare-talks-break-down-in-anger-2009-07-24.html
QuoteLeading The News
House healthcare talks break down in anger
By Jared Allen, Mike Soraghan and Lauren Burke
Posted: 07/24/09 03:27 PM [ET]
House healthcare negotiations dissolved in acrimony on Friday, with Blue Dog Democrats saying they were “lied” to by their Democratic leaders.
In advance of a subsequent press conference called by House leadership, Blue Dog liaison Rep. Dennis Cardoza (D-Calif.) said the healthcare bill should be staying in committee.
"I expect the committee process to proceed," Cardoza said.
The seven Blue Dogs on the Energy and Commerce Committee stormed out of a Friday meeting with their committee chairman, Henry Waxman (D-Calif.), saying Waxman had been negotiating in bad faith over a number of provisions Blue Dogs demanded be changed in the stalled healthcare bill.
“I’ve been lied to,” Blue Dog Coalition Co-Chairman Charlie Melancon (D-La.) said on Friday. “We have not had legitimate negotiations.
“Mr. Waxman has decided to sever discussions with the Blue Dogs who are trying to make this bill work for America,” Melancon said.
Although those Blue Dogs were supposed to be headed back into another meeting of the Energy and Commerce Democrats, their anger was visible.
If the two sides cannot reach an agreement, the only hope for passage of the bill in the House will be to go straight to the floor, an option leaders shied away from endorsing but said was an option.
But the Blue Dogs issued dire warnings to leaders contemplating that approach.
"Waxman simply does not have votes in committee and process should not be bypassed to bring the bill straight to floor,” Rep. Mike Ross (D-Ark.), the lead Blue Dog negotiator, said on Friday. “We are trying to save this bill and trying to save this party.”
Melancon said there would be 40-45 “solid no” votes from the 52-strong Blue Dogs, among other problems throughout the caucus. And Melancon said there are more Democrats who will vote against the bill.
“If they try to bring it to the floor, I think they’ll find out they have more problems than the Blue Dogs.”
A leadership aide said no decisions have been made on how to proceed.
This story was updated at 4:20 p.m.
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
rushmc 23
YES!!!!
Next Cap n Tax!
QuoteConservative House Democrat Says Health Talks Collapse
Friday, July 24, 2009 2:40 PM
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WASHINGTON – The leader of a group of Democratic fiscal conservatives in the House of Representatives said talks on a U.S. healthcare overhaul bill fell apart on Friday and that he saw no possibility of a deal now.
Representative Mike Ross said that "after over a week of very intense and what I believe to be good faith negotiations ... it pretty much fell apart this afternoon."
The development leaves House Democratic leaders with a decision on whether to take the politically risky step of bringing to the full House for a vote next week a $1 trillion healthcare overhaul plan that lacks the support of an important voting bloc.
Despite personal appeals this week from President Barack Obama and hours of negotiations with Democratic leaders and White House staff, the conservatives known as "Blue Dogs" said their concerns about containing medical costs had not been resolved.
Earlier Friday, Obama's chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, shrugged off the delays in the House and Senate and said a sweeping healthcare plan to control costs and expand coverage would still be approved by year's end.
House Democratic leaders had made what Energy and Commerce Committee chairman Henry Waxman called a significant offer to help hold down spending growth in the massive Medicare program for the elderly.
Waxman had said he would let the full House bypass his panel if it could not reach a deal. But the question for House leaders was whether they would still have the votes to pass the legislation next week without conservatives on board.
The reform package under construction in both chambers of the Democratic-controlled Congress has been hit by criticism of its more than $1 trillion price tag and its scope, with debates over how to pay for the program and rein in costs.
Obama has described healthcare reform as essential to longterm U.S. economic viability and had asked the Senate and House to pass first versions before leaving for the summer recess to help keep opposition from building.
Representative John Larson, the fourth-ranking House Democrat, said Democrats would discuss the legislation in depth on Monday and then decide whether to skip the committee vote.
But Senate Majority leader Harry Reid said on Thursday the Senate was only likely to debate its version of the legislation in September -- throwing open the question of when and what kind of final legislation may emerge.
Obama has staked significant political capital on the passage of a healthcare bill this year before lawmakers turn their focus to 2010 midterm elections.
© 2009 Reuters.
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
QuoteQuoteWhat's the purpose of education? To educate.
What's the purpose of health care? To heal.
What's the purpose of business? To generate profit.
And when profit is the most important consideration you end up with business and financial meltdowns which endanger an entire nation's economy and the financial security of an entire population.
Responsible businesses supply their product and reap a fair profit which allows them to grow and prosper. Both parties benefit.
Irresponsible businesses reap undue profits by parasitizing their customer base, draining them of their re$ource$ and then discarding them. The route the banking industry has chosen is a good example of the latter.
rushmc 23
QuoteQuoteQuoteWhat's the purpose of education? To educate.
What's the purpose of health care? To heal.
What's the purpose of business? To generate profit.
And when profit is the most important consideration you end up with business and financial meltdowns which endanger an entire nation's economy and the financial security of an entire population.
Responsible businesses supply their product and reap a fair profit which allows them to grow and prosper. Both parties benefit.
Irresponsible businesses reap undue profits by parasitizing their customer base, draining them of their re$ource$ and then discarding them. The route the banking industry has chosen is a good example of the latter.
And what you fail to consider is the real cause of the melt down. It was government, not business
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"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
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And what you fail to consider is the real cause of the melt down. It was government, not business
Yes, our government let businesses drive themselves into the ground instead of keeping the necessary regulations in place.
mnealtx 0
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And what you fail to consider is the real cause of the melt down. It was government, not business
Yes, our government let businesses drive themselves into the ground instead of keeping the necessary regulations in place.
Hey, Barney and Maxine said Freddie and Fannie were "just fine"....
Mike
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Hey, Barney and Maxine said Freddie and Fannie were "just fine"....
Thanks for the "....." at the end of your statement. It's an honest way to show that at least half the argument is missing.
mnealtx 0
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Hey, Barney and Maxine said Freddie and Fannie were "just fine"....
Thanks for the "....." at the end of your statement. It's an honest way to show that at least half the argument is missing.
Ok, I'll finish it:
..... they don't need any more regulation.
Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706
rushmc 23
QuoteQuote
And what you fail to consider is the real cause of the melt down. It was government, not business
Yes, our government let businesses drive themselves into the ground instead of keeping the necessary regulations in place.
No, you are almost there. They encouraged if not extorted the housing business to create what pulled the economy into the shitter/ But or course, your hero government will provide you with the info saying otherwise and you want to swallow it.........
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
TomAiello 26
QuoteThey encouraged if not extorted the housing business to create what pulled the economy into the shitter...
You're being too kind.
They intentionally chartered, created and subsidized organizations that were motivated, by design, to inflate housing prices to unsustainable levels and extend loans to as many borrowers as possible with the most relaxed standards.
Who decided that Fanny and Freddie needed to "encourage home ownership" and wrote in, as their goals, driving up the percentage of people who own homes? Who funded their creation to push those irresponsibilities? Couldn't have been the same government some people now think is the solution to those problems?
-- Tom Aiello
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