mnealtx 0 #76 July 25, 2009 Quote In my analogy, the "stars" are the millionaires (because they usually are) and the sidemen are simply high level employees. The minimum wage worker is the guy that works in the record store. I'm unsure how that ties back to my example - can you expand on it? Quote Glock vs S&W? Colt, SA or Kimber - I like 1911-pattern pistols. Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #77 July 25, 2009 Quote Quote Mandatory minimum wage laws increase costs and result in more inflation and unemployment. economic drivel Prove it wrong...or is this another thing that you 'just know'?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #78 July 25, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Mandatory minimum wage laws increase costs and result in more inflation and unemployment. economic drivel Prove it wrong...or is this another thing that you 'just know'? i've already proved that whites and blacks are as criminal as each other. or do you disagree with that fact stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #79 July 25, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote Mandatory minimum wage laws increase costs and result in more inflation and unemployment. economic drivel Prove it wrong...or is this another thing that you 'just know'? i've already proved that whites and blacks are as criminal as each other. or do you disagree with that fact You haven't 'proved' a damn thing. You've made a statement, that's all.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #80 July 25, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote Mandatory minimum wage laws increase costs and result in more inflation and unemployment. economic drivel Prove it wrong...or is this another thing that you 'just know'? i've already proved that whites and blacks are as criminal as each other. or do you disagree with that fact So is minumum wage in your mind another way "the man" keeps blacks down? Usually you're way more blatant about your cries of racism...Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #81 July 25, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Mandatory minimum wage laws increase costs and result in more inflation and unemployment. economic drivel Prove it wrong...or is this another thing that you 'just know'? i've already proved that whites and blacks are as criminal as each other. or do you disagree with that fact You haven't 'proved' a damn thing. You've made a statement, that's all. a statement of fact (or you'd disagree with it)stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #82 July 25, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Mandatory minimum wage laws increase costs and result in more inflation and unemployment. economic drivel Prove it wrong...or is this another thing that you 'just know'? i've already proved that whites and blacks are as criminal as each other. or do you disagree with that fact You haven't 'proved' a damn thing. You've made a statement, that's all. a statement of fact (or you'd disagree with it) Your can say the sky is pink - doesn't make it so.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gregpso 1 #83 July 25, 2009 The way you folk over there treat your lower paid workers is a disgrace. The good old USA capitalism at its best (if you are part of the haves) and at its worst if you are a have not. Then there is your health care system. Great country.... saved our ass in WW2 (thanks) Great country for a holiday but I would not want to live there. My wife is just a sales assistant works 35 hrs a week $32000 pa with 4 weeks leave plus 10 days public holidays. Me I do security at govt buildings. (40 hour week) I do fuck all get $61000 pa 9 weeks leave plus 3 months long service leave (folk in the USA would not even know what that is) every 10 years. Plus the govt puts in 9 per cent a year into superannuation. Not bad I reckon. Oh yeah our economy is doing just fine thanks.I tend to be a bit different. enjoyed my time in the sport or is it an industry these days ?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #84 July 25, 2009 QuoteQuoteWouldn't it be great if we all had the kind of freedom to choose, in everything? We do. If you don't like the laws of this country, you are free to relocate to one of your choosing, if they'll accept you (referring to immigration laws of other countries, not commenting on your character in any way). Better yet, contact your elected officials and insist that they vote the constituents will and the constitution as they are sworn to do Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #85 July 25, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteWouldn't it be great if we all had the kind of freedom to choose, in everything? We do. If you don't like the laws of this country, you are free to relocate to one of your choosing, if they'll accept you (referring to immigration laws of other countries, not commenting on your character in any way). Better yet, contact your elected officials and insist that they vote the constituents will and the constitution as they are sworn to do There is that option, also. It is pretty rare that Congress pass unConstitutional legislation. Certainly none discussed in this thread would qualify.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #86 July 25, 2009 I think quade's point is that people who have a lot of money somewhere along the way used either government infrastructure and/or employees. It's coming off as a whiney "millionares got there on the backs of others, none of them worked their asses off along the way" which it may well be, but I don't think that's his point.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #87 July 25, 2009 hmmm. I did make minimum wage when I was working summer jobs in my senior year of high school. But now, I have over 20 years experience as a biologist, and a Masters degree in Molecular Biology. Yet the law says they only have to pay me minimum wage. But my employers pay me much more than that, even though by law they don't have to. How did I manage to get my employers to pay me many times more than the bare minimum they are required to pay me by law? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
futuredivot 0 #88 July 25, 2009 QuoteI think quade's point is that people who have a lot of money somewhere along the way used either government infrastructure and/or employees I use the same damned infrastructure-just not as effectively. Good for them. Enjoy the success and keep pumping resources back in to the economy.You are only as strong as the prey you devour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #89 July 25, 2009 QuoteJust how much "money back" would you be getting? If I understand the queston, presumably whatever percentage of your property taxes went to the local school budget.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #90 July 25, 2009 QuoteHow did I manage to get my employers to pay me many times more than the bare minimum they are required to pay me by law? Congress passed a law setting a minimum wage level for your age, experience and education? I can't imagine any other way it might have happened...-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
d_squared431 0 #91 July 25, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteExcept you're leaving out that fact fantasy that if they could pay them less, the employee would always be free to find work from someone willing to pay more for it. It would be nice if it were fact, but in the real world, no such luck. So in which state are people not allowed to change jobs if they're not happy with their wages? It's not a matter of being allowed to change jobs. It's a matter of being able to afford to take the time to look for alternate employment and/or the better paying jobs actually being available. For many people it just isn't a realistic option. That is the problem right there. You do not need to quit a job prior to finding something different. If people look hard enough and apply themselves they will find what they want.TPM Sister#130ONTIG#1 I love vodka.I love vodka cause it rhymes with Tuaca~LisaH You having a clean thought is like billyvance having a clean post.iluvtofly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #92 July 25, 2009 Quote That is the problem right there. You do not need to quit a job prior to finding something different. If people look hard enough and apply themselves they will find what they want. I think you'll find that I've already responded to that very misinterpretation of my post. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #93 July 25, 2009 QuoteIf people look hard enough and apply themselves they will find what they want. Talk about a fantasy. I hate to break it to you, but we can't all be Presidents and Astronauts. It's just not possible and is one of the "great lies" we as a nation tell ourselves and the next generation.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
futuredivot 0 #94 July 26, 2009 But we can apply ourselves and increase our earning ability. In 93 I was living in a trailer with no power working nights in a dead end, filthy, backbreaking job. Last October I was flying around South America in a Citation. I'm not that smart-definitely not educated. I did keep my eyes open for opportunities and busted my ass when I got them. Every position I've had, I've worked with people that were better at my job than I was. So I saved and paid my own way to training, I put in 80 hrs when others put in 40, and I damn sure didn't sit around waiting on the government to improve my situation.You are only as strong as the prey you devour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
d_squared431 0 #95 July 26, 2009 Quote Quote If people look hard enough and apply themselves they will find what they want. Talk about a fantasy. I hate to break it to you, but we can't all be Presidents and Astronauts. It's just not possible and is one of the "great lies" we as a nation tell ourselves and the next generation. Maybe I should have been more specific and said within their ability and educational level.TPM Sister#130ONTIG#1 I love vodka.I love vodka cause it rhymes with Tuaca~LisaH You having a clean thought is like billyvance having a clean post.iluvtofly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #96 July 26, 2009 QuoteI hate to break it to you, but we can't all be Presidents and Astronauts. It's just not possible and is one of the "great lies" we as a nation tell ourselves and the next generation. I think we all do have the ability to earn enough money to support ourselves, though. That's a long ways short of being President, or an astronaut.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #97 July 26, 2009 QuoteQuoteI hate to break it to you, but we can't all be Presidents and Astronauts. It's just not possible and is one of the "great lies" we as a nation tell ourselves and the next generation. I think we all do have the ability to earn enough money to support ourselves, though. That's a long ways short of being President, or an astronaut. But Timmy really WANTED to be an astronaut - how DARE you make him go get some other job!!!Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #98 July 26, 2009 Quote Quote Quote I hate to break it to you, but we can't all be Presidents and Astronauts. It's just not possible and is one of the "great lies" we as a nation tell ourselves and the next generation. I think we all do have the ability to earn enough money to support ourselves, though. That's a long ways short of being President, or an astronaut. But Timmy really WANTED to be an astronaut - how DARE you make him go get some other job!!! He just doesn't test well. If you read the astronaut training test to him... Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
loumeinhart 0 #99 July 26, 2009 QuoteTalk about a fantasy. I hate to break it to you, but we can't all be Presidents and Astronauts. It's just not possible and is one of the "great lies" we as a nation tell ourselves and the next generation. Hate to break it to you, but that's a load of shit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #100 July 26, 2009 Quote Quote Talk about a fantasy. I hate to break it to you, but we can't all be Presidents and Astronauts. It's just not possible and is one of the "great lies" we as a nation tell ourselves and the next generation. Hate to break it to you, but that's a load of shit. which are you then - president or astronaut stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
