chasteh 0
chasteh 0
Here we go again. Show me, Rush.
rushmc 23
QuoteHere we go again. Show me, Rush.
Please, clarify.
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
chasteh 0
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Yes, dude, I understand that. I have taken economics classes before. Thanks.
>Hard to believe based on your posts......
Show me where I have indicated in any way what you say is "hard to believe based on my posts."
I.E. Show me what you think says I don't understand basic economic systems and the effects of taxation, or show me where you think I have indicated that I haven't taken economics courses before.
Amen brother......well said. 
v/r
Paul
"Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down to their level and beat you!"
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"Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down to their level and beat you!"
rushmc 23
Post 24 of this thread. you speak of "corp welfare".
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
chasteh 0
Unfortunately, speaking of "corporate welfare" doesn't quite qualify as not understanding elementary economic principles.
Are you going to negate something here?
Are you going to show how what I said about corporate welfare is false? Does the United States government not sponsor multi-billion dollar corporations?
Are you going to negate something here?
Are you going to show how what I said about corporate welfare is false? Does the United States government not sponsor multi-billion dollar corporations?
rushmc 23
Ok, to help me out, define for me, "corp welfare".
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
chasteh 0
"Corporate welfare is a general term that refers to financial assistance, tax advantages, or other support given to corporations and other business entities by the United States government. Unlike welfare payments given to individuals, corporate welfare system is not intended to prevent poverty or raise the standard of living. Instead the federal government awards payments to specific industries or companies in the form of subsidies, grants, contracts, and other aid. Due to the wide range of interests, the system is not monitored or controlled by a single Congressional committee. In addition, since many Americans have mixed views on corporate welfare, this practice is sometimes an area of great debate."
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Possibly. I'd think that Steve Jobs could ask for a raise and be given one. And since many of these folks get stock options the value can certainly be paid off over time - or lost.
Considering his salary is $1/year, yes, I should think so.
rushmc 23
Quote"Corporate welfare is a general term that refers to financial assistance, tax advantages, or other support given to corporations and other business entities by the United States government. Unlike welfare payments given to individuals, corporate welfare system is not intended to prevent poverty or raise the standard of living. Instead the federal government awards payments to specific industries or companies in the form of subsidies, grants, contracts, and other aid. Due to the wide range of interests, the system is not monitored or controlled by a single Congressional committee. In addition, since many Americans have mixed views on corporate welfare, this practice is sometimes an area of great debate."
So, in the end, corps do not pay taxes. We do. My point is on target.
Example, wind farms. There is one reason they are being built. Corp welfare (to steal your term) If not for that and the green political world we are in, no corp would build them.
Thanks for helping me with my point
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
chasteh 0
>>What YOU dont understand is corps do not pay taxes. They just send the bill on. To corps, taxes are a cost of doing business and the products they sell..You and I pay those "taxes".
>So, in the end, corps do not pay taxes. We do. My point is on target.
What I am asking you to do is demonstrate either: my economic ignorance, as you saw it
or
where I said that your statement above is false. Supply and demand curves include the changes in production that occur to both labor and the product produced when taxes are added. We can chart this. I understand this. Maybe you do too? I don't see where you have negated what I said, nor where I even tried to negate what you said (which is quoted with >> at the top of this post.)
>Thanks for helping me with my point
I'm speechless. Really... It looks like you are attacking something that wasn't in my post, but you have covered it up very well.
The problem being discussed in my line of posts is that there are corporations that receive billions and billions of dollars, which is actually a form of "welfare." As a conservative, you are (supposed to be) opposed to this welfare, as it completely violates the free-market economics that conservativism is (was) founded on. Believe it or not, there are "lefties," were I to be one, not that I am saying that I am one, who understand this and the economic philosophy that conservativism is (was).
>So, in the end, corps do not pay taxes. We do. My point is on target.
What I am asking you to do is demonstrate either: my economic ignorance, as you saw it
or
where I said that your statement above is false. Supply and demand curves include the changes in production that occur to both labor and the product produced when taxes are added. We can chart this. I understand this. Maybe you do too? I don't see where you have negated what I said, nor where I even tried to negate what you said (which is quoted with >> at the top of this post.)
>Thanks for helping me with my point
I'm speechless. Really... It looks like you are attacking something that wasn't in my post, but you have covered it up very well.
The problem being discussed in my line of posts is that there are corporations that receive billions and billions of dollars, which is actually a form of "welfare." As a conservative, you are (supposed to be) opposed to this welfare, as it completely violates the free-market economics that conservativism is (was) founded on. Believe it or not, there are "lefties," were I to be one, not that I am saying that I am one, who understand this and the economic philosophy that conservativism is (was).
billeisele 130
isn't CEO pay just a method to keep score?
at some point money is almost meaningless, most of us enjoy the pleasure that money brings becuse we can buy fun stuff and jumps
a CEO has enough money to buy anything they really want so the next dollar they receive really has no meaning except that they are competing with their peer group and the only way to be viewed as Top Dog is to score more points, money = points
at some point money is almost meaningless, most of us enjoy the pleasure that money brings becuse we can buy fun stuff and jumps
a CEO has enough money to buy anything they really want so the next dollar they receive really has no meaning except that they are competing with their peer group and the only way to be viewed as Top Dog is to score more points, money = points
Give one city to the thugs so they can all live together. I vote for Chicago where they have strict gun laws.
chasteh 0
Yep. Its like those psychology experiments where they put monkeys in a cage full of bananas and one monkey puts all effort possible into taking the bananas when the other monkey only gets a couple of them. At some point, the competition is fruitless. (Hah!)
Is this what is being proposed by Obama?
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