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Any idea how many medicare claims get returned to the doctor unpaid because of paperwork issues?



If they are still doing "paper work" than that is part of the problem.

Continuing to use paper and complaining about admin costs is somewhat akin to driving an antique as a daily driver and complaining about the upkeep.
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its also not like doctors are rich either. sure, theymost are past the point of living paycheck to paycheck, but most are still middle class. for you to suggest tthat doctors need to find another job tells me you know very little about the life of a doctor.



Amen. I think that very few people actually understand the lives of doctors. Their lifestyle sucks in many, many ways. I know I posted about this in another thread recently, so I'm not going to belabor the point, aside from saying that the people pointing fingers at "those rich doctors" probably aren't living anywhere as difficult a life.
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Any idea how many medicare claims get returned to the doctor unpaid because of paperwork issues?



If they are still doing "paper work" than that is part of the problem.

Continuing to use paper and complaining about admin costs is somewhat akin to driving an antique as a daily driver and complaining about the upkeep.



Have you ever tried to use an EMR?

Just wondering, because it seems like many of the people touting the efficiency advantages of EMR's are people who've never had to actually try to use one.
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Any idea how many medicare claims get returned to the doctor unpaid because of paperwork issues?



If they are still doing "paper work" than that is part of the problem.

Continuing to use paper and complaining about admin costs is somewhat akin to driving an antique as a daily driver and complaining about the upkeep.



any idea how many hours my wife (and her partners) have spent at work banging their heads against the desk trying to do "paper work" on a computer system that keeps crashing when they could be home with their families? electronic methods have their drawbacks as well.


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If they are going to get paid the same money as any other insurance why wouldn’t they take it?

Last I checked Doctors take an oath to care about humane life. If they want to use people’s health as a bargaining chip I suggest they get a new job.

Stock borker maybe??????



Darius,

There is A LOT more to this entire situation than I think that you are aware of.

I have previously posted about how the primary focus of my practice is medicaid. I enjoyed helping that population. I wanted to help those that truly needed the help the most...

Three years of private practice later...

I'm told that my group is not yet considering me for partner because I'm not yet "meeting overhead" because of my choices on patient selection and how I have a lower "production" (as calculated by COLLECTIONS). NOTE: I'm double and triple booked. I'm quite busy. At my north office, I routinely have 30+ patients scheduled a day. BUT... I try to take the time to educate my patients, not just throw the speculum in and dash to the next. To meet the overhead with medicaid patients - it's a QUANTITY issue, not quality. It's very frustrating.

Because of that - I resigned from this practice and will be joining a group that does NOT take Medicaid.

Not because I don't want to help the sick.

In fact... it's just the REVERSE. I want to HELP - and by HELP, I mean the educational and emotional needs of patients as well. Now... I'm not asking for an hour per patient like psychiatry seems to get, but I feel that if it's a scared 16year old that has never had a pap and was recently raped and is now pregnant... she deserves more than a double booked 15min spot for her initial ob appointment.

With the government controls... with the monies from the governement.... I can't do that and "meet overhead."

Is is that the overhead of the group is too high? Quite possibly, but until I become a partner, I have no say in the changes.

pm me if you truly don't understand or if you have further questions. [:/]


- and for the record, I am NOT doing this career for the money.... in a week, I am PAYING out of pocket to go to Peru and do this for free.

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I'm told that my group is not yet considering me for partner because I'm not yet "meeting overhead" because of my choices on patient selection and how I have a lower "production" (as calculated by COLLECTIONS).



What changes for you when you make partner?

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its also not like doctors are rich either. sure, theymost are past the point of living paycheck to paycheck, but most are still middle class. for you to suggest tthat doctors need to find another job tells me you know very little about the life of a doctor.



Amen. I think that very few people actually understand the lives of doctors. Their lifestyle sucks in many, many ways. I know I posted about this in another thread recently, so I'm not going to belabor the point, aside from saying that the people pointing fingers at "those rich doctors" probably aren't living anywhere as difficult a life.


Funny that "the best and brightest" (to quote someone on here recently) who are attracted to medicine because of the rewards (to paraphrase someone on here recently) end up having such sucky jobs. :S
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Possibly, but I have doubts that such a law simply forcing all private-sector doctors and medical facilities to accept government insurance would be Constitutional.



i wondered about the constitutionallity of it, but decided not include it in my original post because i honestly don't know what part of the constitution it would violate.

as far as federal government taking the back door, there are a few states that are getting a little tired of the feds getting in to their business. in the end, i think all of this discussion is purely academic. if anything does get passed, it will have little meaningful effect.



What evidence do you have that the plan under consideration includes a measure forcing medics to take govt. insurance?
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Possibly, but I have doubts that such a law simply forcing all private-sector doctors and medical facilities to accept government insurance would be Constitutional.



i wondered about the constitutionallity of it, but decided not include it in my original post because i honestly don't know what part of the constitution it would violate.

as far as federal government taking the back door, there are a few states that are getting a little tired of the feds getting in to their business. in the end, i think all of this discussion is purely academic. if anything does get passed, it will have little meaningful effect.



What evidence do you have that the plan under consideration includes a measure forcing medics to take govt. insurance?



Willie Sutton.
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Possibly, but I have doubts that such a law simply forcing all private-sector doctors and medical facilities to accept government insurance would be Constitutional.



i wondered about the constitutionallity of it, but decided not include it in my original post because i honestly don't know what part of the constitution it would violate.

as far as federal government taking the back door, there are a few states that are getting a little tired of the feds getting in to their business. in the end, i think all of this discussion is purely academic. if anything does get passed, it will have little meaningful effect.


What evidence do you have that the plan under consideration includes a measure forcing medics to take govt. insurance?


Read the bill.:|

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What evidence do you have that the plan under consideration includes a measure forcing medics to take govt. insurance?



Willie Sutton.



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I'm told that my group is not yet considering me for partner because I'm not yet "meeting overhead" because of my choices on patient selection and how I have a lower "production" (as calculated by COLLECTIONS).



What changes for you when you make partner?



Generally speaking, in professional firms, partners are "management", while non-partner associates are mere employees. Policy is usually set mainly, if not solely, by management.
(Also, there usually are differences in the method/amount of partners' compensation, as contrasted with non-partner employees' compensation.)

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Possibly, but I have doubts that such a law simply forcing all private-sector doctors and medical facilities to accept government insurance would be Constitutional.



i wondered about the constitutionallity of it, but decided not include it in my original post because i honestly don't know what part of the constitution it would violate.

as far as federal government taking the back door, there are a few states that are getting a little tired of the feds getting in to their business. in the end, i think all of this discussion is purely academic. if anything does get passed, it will have little meaningful effect.



What evidence do you have that the plan under consideration includes a measure forcing medics to take govt. insurance?



Willie Sutton.



Nice of you to equate medics with bank robbers.
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Possibly, but I have doubts that such a law simply forcing all private-sector doctors and medical facilities to accept government insurance would be Constitutional.



i wondered about the constitutionallity of it, but decided not include it in my original post because i honestly don't know what part of the constitution it would violate.

as far as federal government taking the back door, there are a few states that are getting a little tired of the feds getting in to their business. in the end, i think all of this discussion is purely academic. if anything does get passed, it will have little meaningful effect.


What evidence do you have that the plan under consideration includes a measure forcing medics to take govt. insurance?


Read the bill.:|


OK, I did that.

Now tell us which division and title FORCES medics to accept govt. insurance.
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What evidence do you have that the plan under consideration includes a measure forcing medics to take govt. insurance?



Willie Sutton.



Nice of you to equate medics with bank robbers.



Spare me your oh-so-pious ethics valuations - you yourself said that Sutton went where the money was.
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What evidence do you have that the plan under consideration includes a measure forcing medics to take govt. insurance?



Willie Sutton.



Nice of you to equate medics with bank robbers.





Spare me your oh-so-pious ethics valuations - you yourself said that Sutton went where the money was.

Was he forced, or did he do it voluntarily? If you read the thread title you might get a clue.
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What evidence do you have that the plan under consideration includes a measure forcing medics to take govt. insurance?



???

nowhere do i claim that this plan includes this measure. i simply posed a question.



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What evidence do you have that the plan under consideration includes a measure forcing medics to take govt. insurance?



Willie Sutton.



Nice of you to equate medics with bank robbers.



Spare me your oh-so-pious ethics valuations - you yourself said that Sutton went where the money was.

Was he forced, or did he do it voluntarily? If you read the thread title you might get a clue.



Figure out what insurance doctors are going to take once fed.gov is the only game in town and get back to us, since we're speaking of clues and the capture of same.

Here's a net - you quite evidently need it.
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Possibly, but I have doubts that such a law simply forcing all private-sector doctors and medical facilities to accept government insurance would be Constitutional.



i wondered about the constitutionallity of it, but decided not include it in my original post because i honestly don't know what part of the constitution it would violate.

as far as federal government taking the back door, there are a few states that are getting a little tired of the feds getting in to their business. in the end, i think all of this discussion is purely academic. if anything does get passed, it will have little meaningful effect.


What evidence do you have that the plan under consideration includes a measure forcing medics to take govt. insurance?


Read the bill.:|


OK, I did that.

Now tell us which division and title FORCES medics to accept govt. insurance.


You read ALL the pages of the bill?
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its also not like doctors are rich either. sure, theymost are past the point of living paycheck to paycheck, but most are still middle class. for you to suggest tthat doctors need to find another job tells me you know very little about the life of a doctor.



Amen. I think that very few people actually understand the lives of doctors. Their lifestyle sucks in many, many ways. I know I posted about this in another thread recently, so I'm not going to belabor the point, aside from saying that the people pointing fingers at "those rich doctors" probably aren't living anywhere as difficult a life.


Funny that "the best and brightest" (to quote someone on here recently) who are attracted to medicine because of the rewards (to paraphrase someone on here recently) end up having such sucky jobs. :S


Not sucky jobs. Sucky lifestyle in many (not all) ways. The job is tough. The hours are tough. Dealing with patients not paying bills and being sued is tough. His point was pretty clear that doctors don't live paycheck to paycheck but blaming healthcare costs on their greediness is a pretty big stretch. I'm confident you knew what he meant and are just being argumentative.

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Possibly, but I have doubts that such a law simply forcing all private-sector doctors and medical facilities to accept government insurance would be Constitutional.



i wondered about the constitutionallity of it, but decided not include it in my original post because i honestly don't know what part of the constitution it would violate.

as far as federal government taking the back door, there are a few states that are getting a little tired of the feds getting in to their business. in the end, i think all of this discussion is purely academic. if anything does get passed, it will have little meaningful effect.


What evidence do you have that the plan under consideration includes a measure forcing medics to take govt. insurance?


Read the bill.:|


OK, I did that.

Now tell us which division and title FORCES medics to accept govt. insurance.


You read ALL the pages of the bill?


He'd be the only one in the country to have done so.

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