rushmc 23 #1 August 6, 2009 http://realclearpolitics.blogs.time.com/2009/08/06/after-6-months-more-view-obamas-presidency-as-a-failure-than-bushs/ QuoteAfter 6 Months, More View Obama's Presidency as a 'Failure' Than Bush's Posted by Tom Bevan | Email This | Permalink | Email Author A rather surprising finding from the newly released CNN poll. Question three on the national survey of 1,136 adults (which includes an oversample of African-Americans) asks, "Do you consider the first six months of the Obama administration to be a success or a failure?" Thirty-seven percent (37%) said they believe the Obama administration is a "failure," while 51% consider it a "success" and 11% say it's still "too soon to tell." An identical question was asked of the Bush administration in an August 2001 CNN/Gallup/USA Today survey. At the time, 56% said the Bush administration was a "success" while only 32% considered it a "failure." (Link) "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyD 0 #2 August 6, 2009 Quotehttp://realclearpolitics.blogs.time.com/2009/08/06/after-6-months-more-view-obamas-presidency-as-a-failure-than-bushs/ QuoteAfter 6 Months, More View Obama's Presidency as a 'Failure' Than Bush's Posted by Tom Bevan | Email This | Permalink | Email Author A rather surprising finding from the newly released CNN poll. Question three on the national survey of 1,136 adults (which includes an oversample of African-Americans) asks, "Do you consider the first six months of the Obama administration to be a success or a failure?" Thirty-seven percent (37%) said they believe the Obama administration is a "failure," while 51% consider it a "success" and 11% say it's still "too soon to tell." An identical question was asked of the Bush administration in an August 2001 CNN/Gallup/USA Today survey. At the time, 56% said the Bush administration was a "success" while only 32% considered it a "failure." (Link) Why would that be a surprise? Seems about right. If you compare the first six months of Obama to Bush you could make the comparison that Obama has inherited two wars. One of which is an absolute failure and an international embarrassment. Also the worst recession since the Great Depression. If they do the comparison at the nine month mark it will be far more skewed. Bush's approval rating at the nine month mark was very high. Obama's will not even be in the ballpark. But, nine months does not a presidency make. In short - so? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #3 August 6, 2009 Quotehttp://realclearpolitics.blogs.time.com/2009/08/06/after-6-months-more-view-obamas-presidency-as-a-failure-than-bushs/ QuoteAfter 6 Months, More View Obama's Presidency as a 'Failure' Than Bush's Posted by Tom Bevan | Email This | Permalink | Email Author A rather surprising finding from the newly released CNN poll. Question three on the national survey of 1,136 adults (which includes an oversample of African-Americans) asks, "Do you consider the first six months of the Obama administration to be a success or a failure?" Thirty-seven percent (37%) said they believe the Obama administration is a "failure," while 51% consider it a "success" and 11% say it's still "too soon to tell." Last time I checked, 51 was more than 37. More pertinent is how many thought Bush's presidency was a success on January 19, 2009. After all, Bush inherited a small surplus, no recession, and no wars. Obama inherited a huge deficit, the worst recession in generations, and two wars.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #4 August 6, 2009 Rush, it's not where you start; it's where you finish. Look at the numbers for the END of GWB's Administration.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #5 August 6, 2009 Quote Rush, it's not where you start; it's where you finish. Look at the numbers for the END of GWB's Administration. OK, Obama just started earlier "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #6 August 6, 2009 Quote Quote http://realclearpolitics.blogs.time.com/2009/08/06/after-6-months-more-view-obamas-presidency-as-a-failure-than-bushs/ Quote After 6 Months, More View Obama's Presidency as a 'Failure' Than Bush's Posted by Tom Bevan | Email This | Permalink | Email Author A rather surprising finding from the newly released CNN poll. Question three on the national survey of 1,136 adults (which includes an oversample of African-Americans) asks, "Do you consider the first six months of the Obama administration to be a success or a failure?" Thirty-seven percent (37%) said they believe the Obama administration is a "failure," while 51% consider it a "success" and 11% say it's still "too soon to tell." Last time I checked, 51 was more than 37. More pertinent is how many thought Bush's presidency was a success on January 19, 2009. After all, Bush inherited a small surplus, no recession, and no wars. Obama inherited a huge deficit, the worst recession in generations, and two wars. "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyD 0 #7 August 6, 2009 Quote If you take the numbers in the context of the events that were occurring then and now, they really aren't that surprising at all. If you can't wrap your brain around that, then they're just numbers and smiley faces. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #8 August 6, 2009 Think maybe any of this has anything to do with it? http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/06/14/obama-if-they-bring-a-knife-to-the-fight-we-bring-a-gun/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCMDur9CDZ4 http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/21/us/politics/21memo.html?_r=2"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #9 August 6, 2009 Obama's #s are going down because of how he is handling the situation not because of what he inherited. Bushes numbers went up after 911 because of how he handled 911 and when he did what was popular and needed he got crucified. The last 2 years of Bush's 2nd term was just signing off on democrat written policies because he had no backing becuase of his unpopularity. This will happen to Obama also if he continues on the path he is on. The feeling in the country is starting to change as people get more and more upset over the lies and broken promises from Obama and this will show in next years elections. Obama knows this and that is why he is pushing his agenda so hard because the democrats will most likely loose some or all the control in congress in next years elections and his agenda is not a popular one with the majority of Americans. Obama was elected more or less because of the people wanted a change from Bush not because he was a better candidate for president. As Obama pushes against us america will push back and that will cost him in the polls and hopefully a 2nd term. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #10 August 6, 2009 Quote Quote If you take the numbers in the context of the events that were occurring then and now, they really aren't that surprising at all. If you can't wrap your brain around that, then they're just numbers and smiley faces. I absoultly have. How about you?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #11 August 6, 2009 Quote Quote Quote http://realclearpolitics.blogs.time.com/2009/08/06/after-6-months-more-view-obamas-presidency-as-a-failure-than-bushs/ Quote After 6 Months, More View Obama's Presidency as a 'Failure' Than Bush's Posted by Tom Bevan | Email This | Permalink | Email Author A rather surprising finding from the newly released CNN poll. Question three on the national survey of 1,136 adults (which includes an oversample of African-Americans) asks, "Do you consider the first six months of the Obama administration to be a success or a failure?" Thirty-seven percent (37%) said they believe the Obama administration is a "failure," while 51% consider it a "success" and 11% say it's still "too soon to tell." Last time I checked, 51 was more than 37. More pertinent is how many thought Bush's presidency was a success on January 19, 2009. After all, Bush inherited a small surplus, no recession, and no wars. Obama inherited a huge deficit, the worst recession in generations, and two wars. I interpret that to mean you can't rebut the facts of my statement.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #12 August 6, 2009 ...inherited a huge deficit ...that he has made worse. ...inherited a recession ...that he has made worse. ...inherited two wars ...one of which can now be considered quite successful, however Obama dare not do that, because that would acknowledge that credit goes to the previous administration. Obama's policy would not have led to this good result, and he dare not draw public attention to that fact.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #13 August 6, 2009 Quote ...inherited a recession ...that he has made worse. That may be your opinion, but it is not mine, and I doubt you can find any reputable analysis to support your claim.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #14 August 6, 2009 QuoteQuote ...inherited a recession ...that he has made worse. That may be your opinion, but it is not mine, and I doubt you can find any reputable analysis to support your claim. Quotethe unemployment rate and national debt increases? are we not looking at the facts the same way? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #15 August 6, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote http://realclearpolitics.blogs.time.com/2009/08/06/after-6-months-more-view-obamas-presidency-as-a-failure-than-bushs/ Quote After 6 Months, More View Obama's Presidency as a 'Failure' Than Bush's Posted by Tom Bevan | Email This | Permalink | Email Author A rather surprising finding from the newly released CNN poll. Question three on the national survey of 1,136 adults (which includes an oversample of African-Americans) asks, "Do you consider the first six months of the Obama administration to be a success or a failure?" Thirty-seven percent (37%) said they believe the Obama administration is a "failure," while 51% consider it a "success" and 11% say it's still "too soon to tell." Last time I checked, 51 was more than 37. More pertinent is how many thought Bush's presidency was a success on January 19, 2009. After all, Bush inherited a small surplus, no recession, and no wars. Obama inherited a huge deficit, the worst recession in generations, and two wars. I interpret that to mean you can't rebut the facts of my statement. Yep, you got right ahead "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #16 August 6, 2009 Quote This one has got to STING Oh, the pain... Nobody who was a deciding swing voter in 2008 or who will be one in 2012 could possibly give a shit about this. It's little more than cyber-masturbation. Again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #17 August 6, 2009 Quote Quote Quote ...inherited a recession ...that he has made worse. That may be your opinion, but it is not mine, and I doubt you can find any reputable analysis to support your claim. Quote the unemployment rate and national debt increases? are we not looking at the facts the same way? Any supporting info anyone can find and post will never be a reputalbe source if HE does not agree with it. If it is a source he has used he will find a way to move off topic. I have to admit, it is fun to see"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #18 August 6, 2009 Quote Quote This one has got to STING Oh, the pain... Nobody who was a deciding swing voter in 2008 or who will be one in 2012 could possibly give a shit about this. Your daily cyber-masturbation gets old after a while. Well then, I know its working!!! ThanksMy only regret is that (for you) it does get older quicker! "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #19 August 6, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuote ...inherited a recession ...that he has made worse. That may be your opinion, but it is not mine, and I doubt you can find any reputable analysis to support your claim. Quotethe unemployment rate and national debt increases? are we not looking at the facts the same way? Guess you don't want to talk about the stock market and it's 40% bump since March? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #20 August 6, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote ...inherited a recession ...that he has made worse. That may be your opinion, but it is not mine, and I doubt you can find any reputable analysis to support your claim. Quotethe unemployment rate and national debt increases? are we not looking at the facts the same way? Guess you don't want to talk about the stock market and it's 40% bump since March? And Obama and Biden both stated that the stock market was not watched by them and should not be used. Until it went up this week. I guess. What did it do today? I havent looked......."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #21 August 6, 2009 Quote Obama's #s are going down because of how he is handling the situation not because of what he inherited. Bushes numbers went up after 911 because of how he handled 911 and when he did what was popular and needed he got crucified. The last 2 years of Bush's 2nd term was just signing off on democrat written policies because he had no backing becuase of his unpopularity. This will happen to Obama also if he continues on the path he is on. How many contradictions or laugh out loud statements did you cram into this paragraph? first off, the President is always more popular after a major foreign event, whether it went well or was a disaster. Rally round the flag. It's a basis for the Imperial Presidency. But there's no such effect with internal economic woes. That's why Bush left as one of the least popular ever, and Obama's numbers will continue to trend down. The honeymoon effect is over. How does Bush get crucified for doing what is popular? It became less popular over time, and with each 1000 soldiers killed in action. That's why the GOP lost Congress after 12 years of control. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #22 August 6, 2009 Quote And Obama and Biden both stated that the stock market was not watched by them and should not be used. Until it went up this week. I guess. What did it do today? I havent looked....... Are you unaware that it's gone up for the past 5 months? Not just this week? The second Q GDP numbers are also a substantial improvement on Q1. You can argue about debt, but claiming the recession is worsening is hard to pull off on anything but emotional lines. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #23 August 6, 2009 How many contradictions or laugh out loud statements did you cram into this paragraph? first off, the President is always more popular after a major foreign event, whether it went well or was a disaster. Rally round the flag. It's a basis for the Imperial Presidency. But there's no such effect with internal economic woes. That's why Bush left as one of the least popular ever, and Obama's numbers will continue to trend down. The honeymoon effect is over. How does Bush get crucified for doing what is popular? It became less popular over time, and with each 1000 soldiers killed in action. That's why the GOP lost Congress after 12 years of control. QuoteDid the democrats and the left leaners not think soldiers were going to die? its war, people die. a large percentage of the all parties voted for the wars and a large percentage of the people thought the wars were needed. when the press only showed the negatives about the war the people lost their stomache for the choices we as a country made and put the blame on Bush and the republicans. The left is good and pointing fingers at everyone but themselves and trying to make others take the blame that rightfully belongs to them also. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #24 August 6, 2009 QuoteQuote And Obama and Biden both stated that the stock market was not watched by them and should not be used. Until it went up this week. I guess. What did it do today? I havent looked....... Are you unaware that it's gone up for the past 5 months? Not just this week? The second Q GDP numbers are also a substantial improvement on Q1. You can argue about debt, but claiming the recession is worsening is hard to pull off on anything but emotional lines. And to think that Obama had anything to do with the increase is B.S. The increase started before the stimulus bill and to this day only about 10% of the stimulus money has been distributed. The inflation and extended recession caused by the overspending is still to come. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #25 August 6, 2009 Quote And to think that Obama had anything to do with the increase is B.S. The increase started before the stimulus bill and to this day only about 10% of the stimulus money has been distributed. The inflation and extended recession caused by the overspending is still to come. The question at hand is did he worsen the recession. Not if it ends, was he responsible or just lucky. Try to stay on topic. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
