rushmc 23 #26 February 12, 2010 QuoteQuoteIt was a nice try anyways... Nice full response. So, how is it to be RW and advocate for rich and greedy? At one piont do hit a point in your life where you wonder why the fuck you went that way? Nope, but I am an advocate for those who work for their money to keep it. I dont care how much more than me they have. Now back to your big green monster machine gun posts"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #27 February 12, 2010 Quote How about a system where everyone has a baseline of basic care and support if they need, then a free market so if you want to put more work into it and become rich, you can. Of course teh first part of this will raise taxes and slightly impede the rich foilks, but they can still succeed if they wish. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread_and_circuses If everything is provided and any additional made is highly taxed, incentive to improve is little to nill. Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #28 February 12, 2010 Quote Quote we are at the whims of these corps and must bail them out as we rarely igonre them and let them bust, so thinking it's funny that they flip off any pres as if they're more empowered, which they are, is hate for American. newsflash for Lucky. You are not at the "whim" of any "corp." You might not know this yet, but you actually possess the right to trade your toil and time for compensation wherever you choose. But wait there's more... after you have collected your hard earned dollar, you have the right to spend it wherever you choose. I know that I speak blasphemy but it's true. Oh, and the long black list of businesses from mom/pop pizza shops to mega corporations who have failed are wondering why they didn't get a chance to control and ruin America.. The ones that get government assistance to survive, we all are at their whim. The only way to end the cycle is to stop bailing them out and stick to that, regardless of the consequences.Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #29 February 12, 2010 QuoteShow me a poor guy that creates jobs... Lots of people are employed administring welfare programs, administring foodstamp programs, medicaid, lots of people employed by Non-profit organizations helping the poor. There are a lot of jobs generated by poor people. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #30 February 12, 2010 QuoteQuoteShow me a poor guy that creates jobs... Lots of people are employed administring welfare programs, administring foodstamp programs, medicaid... There are a lot of jobs generated by poor people. Those are all government jobs which have to be paid for by tax payers. What we need are jobs which are self-supporting, paid for by business profits, requiring no government money to maintain. We are approaching the point where the number of tax-payers is less than the number of tax-takers, and that will destroy America as we know it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #31 February 12, 2010 Quote We are approaching the point where the number of tax-payers is less than the number of tax-takers, and that will destroy America as we know it. There is a real dangerous trend lately in much of Canada (and I assume this also exists in the USA) where the largest job growth demographics are in government jobs. When the job growth occurs in government jobs and not the private sector you know something is very very wrong. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #32 February 12, 2010 P.S Incentivizing is NOT a real word in English (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #33 February 12, 2010 QuoteQuoteShow me a poor guy that creates jobs... Lots of people are employed administring welfare programs, administring foodstamp programs, medicaid, lots of people employed by Non-profit organizations helping the poor. There are a lot of jobs generated by poor people. I hope this wasn't mean to be taken seriously. The city of SF (just the government) spends $160M/year on the homeless. If you did simple division, that's a crapload of money per person. And ignores the private donations. But in reality, it hires a bunch of bureaucrats and gives them little reason to solve the problem. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #34 February 12, 2010 Quote We are approaching the point where the number of tax-payers is less than the number of tax-takers, and that will destroy America as we know it. don't be silly - let's use a little government health care math....we have a country of 300 MILLION people - that's an UNBELIEVABLE number of tax payers now, let's assume the government eventually employs every single citizen they'll all be union, they'll all get good salaries because they are union..... if the government taxes even 50% of the income of all those people, that's an AMAZING amount of income surely THAT MUCH money is plenty to run the government and pay those salaries..... ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #35 February 12, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteShow me a poor guy that creates jobs... Lots of people are employed administring welfare programs, administring foodstamp programs, medicaid, lots of people employed by Non-profit organizations helping the poor. There are a lot of jobs generated by poor people. I hope this wasn't mean to be taken seriously. nonsense - it's a tribute to the "never give up, never think things through" philosophy that we should all adopt ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #36 February 13, 2010 QuoteP.S Incentivizing is NOT a real word in English GWB said it was, so don't misunderestimate him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #37 February 13, 2010 QuoteWaelthy people donate money for 2 main reasons: - Help a cause they appreciate - Tax writeoff The rich guy is taxes at a smaller rate with the writeoff. Do you know rich people to donate money and refuse to take teh wrioteoff? People donate money to help a cause they appreciate. People are able to donate more money because there is a tax write off available. Nobody donates money for a tax write off. That doesn't even make sense. QuoteJerry : So were going to make the Post Office pay for my new stereo? Kramer : It's just a write off for them. Jerry : How is it a write off? Kramer : They just write it off. Jerry : Write it off what? Kramer : Jerry all these big companies they write off everything Jerry : You don't even know what a write off is. Kramer : Do you? Jerry : No. I don't. Kramer : But they do and they are the ones writing it off. Jerry : I wish I just had the last twenty seconds of my life back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #38 February 13, 2010 QuoteQuoteWaelthy people donate money for 2 main reasons: - Help a cause they appreciate - Tax writeoff The rich guy is taxes at a smaller rate with the writeoff. Do you know rich people to donate money and refuse to take teh wrioteoff? People donate money to help a cause they appreciate. People are able to donate more money because there is a tax write off available. Nobody donates money for a tax write off. That doesn't even make sense. Haven't there been cases where someone forms a foundation, gives a bunch of money to it, puts their son in charge, and then uses that money to pay for the kid's travel, jet, and other goodies? Answer -yes, because I know of someone who did exactly that.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #39 February 13, 2010 QuoteQuoteP.S Incentivizing is NOT a real word in English GWB said it was, so don't misunderestimate him. I've heard it used often enough that it's probably just a matter of time. It seems to be a common tendency of late to turn nouns into verbs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #40 February 13, 2010 QuoteQuotePeople donate money to help a cause they appreciate. People are able to donate more money because there is a tax write off available. Nobody donates money for a tax write off. That doesn't even make sense. Haven't there been cases where someone forms a foundation, gives a bunch of money to it, puts their son in charge, and then uses that money to pay for the kid's travel, jet, and other goodies? Answer -yes, because I know of someone who did exactly that. Three things are certain in life: death, taxes, and people who find ways to cheat the latter until they succumb to the former. But you correctly left the word "donate" out of your scenario. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #41 February 13, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteP.S Incentivizing is NOT a real word in English GWB said it was, so don't misunderestimate him. I've heard it used often enough that it's probably just a matter of time. It seems to be a common tendency of late to turn nouns into verbs. "Don't verb nouns",- William Safire.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hwt 0 #42 February 13, 2010 another company get destroyed by the unions . we need to eliminate all unions in the public sector of government or we will be just like Greece Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #43 February 14, 2010 Quote another company get destroyed by the unions . we need to eliminate all unions in the public sector of government or we will be just like Greece Nice totalitarian view you have there.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #44 February 14, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteWaelthy people donate money for 2 main reasons: - Help a cause they appreciate - Tax writeoff The rich guy is taxes at a smaller rate with the writeoff. Do you know rich people to donate money and refuse to take teh wrioteoff? People donate money to help a cause they appreciate. People are able to donate more money because there is a tax write off available. Nobody donates money for a tax write off. That doesn't even make sense. Haven't there been cases where someone forms a foundation, gives a bunch of money to it, puts their son in charge, and then uses that money to pay for the kid's travel, jet, and other goodies? Answer -yes, because I know of someone who did exactly that. certainly. there are ways to game any system. especially when our tax code is so complicated. simplify the tax code. Abolish income tax, institute a national sales tax.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #45 February 14, 2010 Quote Quote another company get destroyed by the unions . we need to eliminate all unions in the public sector of government or we will be just like Greece Nice totalitarian view you have there. maybe it is not his totalitarian view but what is actually happening Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #46 February 14, 2010 Quote People donate money to help a cause they appreciate. People are able to donate more money because there is a tax write off available. Nobody donates money for a tax write off. That doesn't even make sense. There's often a threshold where people need to fall below in order to not be taxed at a certain brkt. The taxpayer's accountant infirms the taxpayer of this and they donate where they want as much as the accountant says they need to. Also, some donation is done for political reasons, esp when corporations do it. Quote I wish I just had the last twenty seconds of my life back. Oh, isn't that cute, yes, people in capitalized countries do things out of the goodness of their hearts. Quit pretending capilatism has elements of compassion, you're confusing capitalism with socialism. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #47 February 14, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteWaelthy people donate money for 2 main reasons: - Help a cause they appreciate - Tax writeoff The rich guy is taxes at a smaller rate with the writeoff. Do you know rich people to donate money and refuse to take teh wrioteoff? People donate money to help a cause they appreciate. People are able to donate more money because there is a tax write off available. Nobody donates money for a tax write off. That doesn't even make sense. Haven't there been cases where someone forms a foundation, gives a bunch of money to it, puts their son in charge, and then uses that money to pay for the kid's travel, jet, and other goodies? Answer -yes, because I know of someone who did exactly that. Not only that, but the biggest lie/scam, organized religion, is tax exempt. Taxes drive everything from politics, religion to charity. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #48 February 14, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteP.S Incentivizing is NOT a real word in English GWB said it was, so don't misunderestimate him. I've heard it used often enough that it's probably just a matter of time. It seems to be a common tendency of late to turn nouns into verbs. It was sarcasm. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #49 February 14, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuotePeople donate money to help a cause they appreciate. People are able to donate more money because there is a tax write off available. Nobody donates money for a tax write off. That doesn't even make sense. Haven't there been cases where someone forms a foundation, gives a bunch of money to it, puts their son in charge, and then uses that money to pay for the kid's travel, jet, and other goodies? Answer -yes, because I know of someone who did exactly that. Three things are certain in life: death, taxes, and people who find ways to cheat the latter until they succumb to the former. But you correctly left the word "donate" out of your scenario. But donate to a so-called charity to avoid taxes or mitigate the tax table for which you belong has been a hobby forever. The party that decries a gov with checks and balances wants neither, just totalitarianism. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #50 February 14, 2010 Quote another company get destroyed by the unions . we need to eliminate all unions in the public sector of government or we will be just like Greece Yes and just let corporations decide our wages. At what point will you guys understand the motive behind corporations is to make money and minimize expense? Hillarious you can't see corps as anything but saints. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
